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A- I asked for the title.
B- My mistake, it’s parshas vayigash, though you would have found it if you looked at the chapter and verse I quoted.
C- I’m still waiting for you to make a point.
Ours has siding. Our zecher lechurban is over the door on the inside.
The halacha of “not building a house like the kings” refers to not putting decorative molding on the walls and ceilings, something I see everywhere.
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Amen. Kol hamisbarech tisbarech. BTW, since there is a mekor to give brachos on your birthday, I’m looking for a yeshiva in Israel for next year. Can you bentch me for hatzlacha?
I opened this thread because I thought you were talking about Eicha.
SuperJews: Yep, that sounds very familiar. I have two rebbeim muvhakim, one charedi one MO. I’ll quote both of them.
The charedi one: Anyone two the right of me is a chnyock. Anyone to the left of me is a goy. Really? Come on! Are we 5 years old here? (IIRC, he was talking about golus during parshas b’chukosai)
The MO one: I don’t trifle with such nonsense. You want to talk lashon hara, do it at kiddush. (Someone in the chabura brought up some 100-year-old politics about Rav Weiss’s grandfather and Rav Kook.)
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msseeker: Anger at you, not even at most charedim let alone hate.
popa: MO does not have a monopoly on our hashkafos, nor do we claim to.(Which is why we’ll always lose any kind of demographic shouting match but we don’t care.) And thanks for staying out. I would to except that I have to stand up for the kavod of the people who kept me observant.
Not Rambam, Ramban — ben Nachman. Apparently people get them mixed up in print too. 🙂 It’s shlishi in miketz (45:12 l’misparam).
Reactionary: No, a linguist’s theory, and anyway, do you have a point?
twisted: To complete the list, schar v’onesh, limud hatorah, chinuch, ahavas haShem, yishuv eretz yisrael.
popa: I agree, and btw whether you like it or not, you have just espoused an MO hashkafa. To wit, you said that something is not treif and that we can use it to grow even if it isn’t written in a broken rashi typeface. Furthermore, you showed the binah necessary to discern the difference between romantic and vulgar. Yasher koach.
The “one guy” referred to the last statement. The first is a rampant problem in his community too, the second is a lie.
I meant 90-something because I knew it from the shabbos/yomtov pesukei d’zimra which is mostly from the 90’s. I’ve mostly given up on the theme.
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We’ve been through this already. Now to take it in order for the very last time. We know what goes on in your yeshivos too. Lies you tell about us make no difference. One guy not being ashamed of something he should be ashamed of vs. an organized coverup of something far worse. I normally don’t go “us vs. them” in MO/charedi debates but your hatred made me lose control slightly. Not mochel.
My mother once had a patient named Moreinu V’rabeinu. It’s a long story. 🙂
twisted: The litvishe gentiles also have the same “speech impediments.” I have classes with a couple.
The same as tefillin: To keep words of Torah around us at all times. (At least that’s what the pasuk says)
msseeker:You mean like the ben-Torah in the Mashgiach’s shmuessen vs the one in the room with him?
I sit corrected 🙂 . Do you look the sources up before posting them? I just go from memory, so the exact cites are usually off.
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He’s saying that you are never, ever, allowed to use chol metaphors when describing kodesh. Both my charedi and MO rebbeim disagree, but shoin — he learned differently.
yitayningwut: If it’s the same story, Rav Rakeffet told me that Rav Soloveyczyk fainted after realizing.
Lomed mikol adam:
1- That is slandering the MO community
2- The secont thing is as well
3- That’s not what deveikus means
4- It is neither central nor exclusive.
5- The term charedi philosophy makes me both laugh and cry. Trying to learn machshava — not even the Rav, Rav Hirsch or even the Maharal, but the machashava they claimed to follow — was what ultimately made me become MO.
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Not every rishon holds that Hebrew was the first language. The two that I cited hold that it was simply the language spoken in C’na’an at the time that Avraham Avinu got there. If we go like those shitos, there is no reason that Akkadian could not have been an ancestor to Lashon Hakodesh.
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That was teh point you and quark were bringing up, wasn’t it? That the limud is shatnez’s derech malbush not that of hotza’a?
I don’t see what your problem is. You found a piece of secular scholarship that is not like Rashi but is like RaMBaN and Ibn Ezra. Either you can say that metzius is a rayah to Ibn Ezra, or you can say rashi is a raya against the secular scholarship. Both mehalchim have ample precedent. Either way, you have a nice dvar Torah and there is no reason to get upset.
lomed: You really think people are less “philosophical” in that other world you call “out of town?” Do you believe it’s something in the water here that makes Brooklyn people (only the charedim though) much more hashkafically inclined? 🙂 If anything I would say the opposite, but this thread is for MO/charedi prejudice. We have other threads for the Brooklyn/OOT kind.
quark2: And around we go again. My point is that they are made so that they may be worn as shirts whether we do or not. They are thick enough to be warm, they are wide enough to wrap around the sides. They just aren’t as comfortable as the modern shirts we’re used to. You seem to be saying that because they aren’t made as the kind of shirts we wear, they aren’t derech malbush. Of course, I repeat, the undershirt tzitzis don’t have this problem.
I know that we learn derech malbush from shatnez. I was asking why you were bringing that in when we established that it is derech malbus. I didn’t get that you were saying it wasn’t derech malbush at all.
Haleivi: Guess I did.
When a boy becomes bar-mitzvah, at that moment he is a-dolt.
I would avoid burning lined paper because the ink is probably toxic.
I posted a pretty complete definition of MO hashkafa on another one of these threads, but I can’t find it. Anyone remember the thread like this one last month was called?
WIY: I know, but if you say it loudly, at least the people walking by will know better.
He’s not a cheftza.
So far I hear a bunch of people claiming that “charedi” means y’rei shamayim, or a host of other virtues. This all sounds very nice until you realize this isn’t what they mean, because a yerei shomayim who doesn’t fit the other definition — which I won’t use here — won’t be counted as a yerei shamayim.
Peacemaker: What made Rav Yoshe Ber MO was that he had a degree, expected his talmidim to do the same, and valued emes over shtus.
See the fourth perek of megilla in Bavli.
I saw the post about “day beged,” that was what prompted me to start posting in this thread again. My first response to that post was why a tallis katan is a ksus yom. It is a shirt, as evidenced by the fact that many people, Jewish and otherwise wore them as such for centuries and re-enactors still do today. Thus, it is a shirt whether we wear another one on top of it or not. I’m not sure where shatnez comes into it though.
Considering that the US government is more figures in the red than some of us are old that wouldn’t be too hard.
My father used L&S for many years and had only one issue with them, but it was one of honesty. They sold him an an off-the-rack suit, told him there was shatnez in the color, and that they would remove it during the alterations then they didn’t.
MDG: Basically, that makes OSX an expensive linux distro.
twisted: Gates gives more money to charity in a year than some countries’ GDP’s.
haleivi: It’s tes. Tzitzis begins in Ches. Daled is hanhagos b’beis hakisei IIRC.
quark: It doesn’t have a function as a shirt because we wear another shirt over it, but l’maaseh it’s a shirt. Otherwise wearing your tallis gadol to shul on shabbos would be carrying. (It’s patur from tzitzis because you’re wearing another coat, leaving the tallis without a function.)
oomis: There’s a serious machlokes about that. Both my rebbeim told me it’s not a problem but others disagree.
Today I saw a missionary in the train station with a cardboard sign and a large black velvet yarmulka. When he got into my car he saw a couple of Jews in the car and moved to the next one. He happened to get off and set up shop at the same stop I had to change at so I asked him nicely to please take his yarmulka off so people won’t think he’s Jewish.
oomis: There’s a serious machlokes about that. Both my rebbeim told me it’s not a problem but others disagree.
Today I saw a missionary in the train station with a cardboard sign and a large black velvet yarmulka. When he got into my car he saw a couple of Jews in the car and moved to the next one. He happened to get off and set up shop at the same stop I had to change at so I asked him nicely to please take his yarmulka off so people won’t think he’s Jewish.
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No fair going through all 16 of them.
Many people tuck themselves in and brush themselves off, straighten their ties, etc before shmoneh esre because it’s the halacha to do so even though it’s not m’akev (Rambam hilchos tefillah ch. 5) It could be that the people who do that see having their peyos in front as more fitting.
I have a related question. Given that the issue with pants is pissuk raglayim, not lo silbash (which is a fairly obvious point in our day) how did it apply in times and places where it was normal for women to wear pants? Were they assur then because of pissuk raglayim or was it muttar because it was the standard and wouldn’t draw attention?
I second Zach. I’ve been using Ubuntu for about 3-1/2 years. It’s great.
The Bais Yaakov (the rebbe, not the school) taught that it is natural for a Jew not to feel Kirvas Elokim at all times. In fact it is a necessary part of the miracle of bechira that we sometimes experience that kind of emotional hester panim and our avoda during that time is just as valuable and deserves the same simcha as our avoda when we feel closer. Paradoxically, by doing our avoda b’simcha through the times of hester panim, we come to feel closer.
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yitayningwut: Nu nu, most people aren’t, least of all me. Most ashkenazim only know kaballa as it applies to history of minhagim or to chassidus.
quark2:
a- We’ll have to see it inside then.
b- I’m modeh ksus yom/lailah is based on function. I’m not modeh that function is based on kavannah. In fact l’chol hadeyos the beged does not need lishma, which means that if the beged is a shirt — and any beged with a shiur is big enough — then it’s ksus yom. Of course that gives us an interesting shaila about the longer tallesim ktanim that reach to mid-thigh or lower. If they’re long enough that they look like a nightgown they may be patur altz ksus lailah!
Also, I’d say that you’re kasha is a good reason to wear nea-tzit. They are definitely a beged with a function.