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R’Dr.Ahron Levine the economics professor
Has essays on the topic of Lifting the minimum wageSeems the answer to”Is there a halachic view on the concept of a livable wage in the work place.” is absolutely yes
The glorious greenhouse for steamy fiery greatness over the past few hundred years was NE Europe.
Rav Shach would instruct Sephardi talmidim to acquire Yiddish
as there are some things which cannot be expressed in any other languageBetter than any other,the glorious greenhouse for steamy fiery greatness over the past few hundred years was NE Europe.
Acknowledging that causes some to have intestinal angst.Very destabilizing for them.It is worth noting that the lofty edifice did lacked strong pillars underneath it. Therefore in the coming cataclysm much of the pillars were knocked from underneath causing most of the steamy edifice to collapse. The Yekkes, for a contrast, had better,more rigorous pillars but unable to build such a lofty glorious canopy
iircThere was a process in the 1920s and 30s to synthesize the two called Kovno OrthodoxieNeville ChaimBerlin, everyone would agree that Ivrit has some value (unless one is satmar) So that’s moot.
Question is if it should have more than that.Avi K,
3.nu nu..hyperbole
4.That is rude besides ignorant ( What I will grant is “Some distinguished jews” is bit exaggerated .probably not more than 2 or 3)
5. awaiting that line of attack.
Which was more the exception and/or which was more the rule?RE: This Thread
If written in foreign letters (e.g Arabic) that negates it out of hand
Second
,too much crudity was performed and sung in these dialects. Still am willing to leave this up other posters (minus those obvious agenda)“Neville, the Klingons did teshuva. Where they stand a tzaddik gamur cannot stand”
Regarding Baalei teshuva That is incorrect ,thougha pervasive mistake .
cf. Chovos Helevavos“but what’s with people saying Hebrew isn’t Lashon Hakodesh? ”
A.it’s a polyglot
B.It’s pronunciation and other sleight of hands was enacted in order to separate it from Lashon Hakodesh.
C.Some distinguished jews used to call it “Achshavit” as (achshav) i.e.this present languageWhen it comes to Aggadah
there is a preponderant acceptable position
Those who seek to find it out, check in yotzros ,piyut,,and kinosIn this case that moshiach has not
come at allJewish Nation-State Law seems good on the face of it .This Law potentially can be positive.However it needs to be taken apart and weighed and clearly elaborated piece by piece. Else it could end up as the Basic Law of 1992 which was turned by the Bagat”z into the opposite
of what it was passed for ,and a disaster
Before the The Nationality Law should be approved ,First it should be decided who is covered by it .In other words who is of the Jewish Nationality
Mi Yehudi?
And more Importantly who is to stripped of it i.e. Converts to other religions,certain egregious heinous behaviors,etc.
What is worrying is that the Bill is probably Schizophrenic1)This law in its original form was meant to legalize open discrimination against Arabs, with the probable aim of eventually legalizing annexing the West Bank. The law as it was originally written would have been bad for Israel’s standing in the world.
2). No mention of Torah, mitzvos, Shabbos, These are the things that define us as a nation, not some flag or anthem. . I’m worried about the reform and others using this bill for their benefit,, Section 6 of the draft law, which MK Uri Maklev quoted it as saying “the state will act in the Diaspora to preserve the connection between the state and the people,” a formulation that parallels the recognition of the Reformists,3)Most of would actually implement Jewish Nationality has been removed, like the right of Jews to determine who lives in their communities.
All the vague wordings that will give the secular state power over private and religious matters are all that remain.
Just look who brought up this bill.
It was propsed by MK Avi Dichter, a former ISA Director.
This man has also widened the scope of surveillence in Israel.
This guy is a lot smarter than Naftali Bennet and other nationalists who, originally got tricked into thinking this may be a good idea.MDG ,zdad,
EVERYONE finds somewhere, some place, some time to romanticize and wax nostalgic for
“Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else.”
And most of those were a lot worse relative to the alter heimDoes it scare you that some might recover a sense of what was lost?
On a final note,Some backgrounds have indeed less than others to wax nostalgic for .
Edited!
zdad,
“Telling Bubba Meises”
Is this relevant to the discussion? How?Gahadorah,
Of Sinas Chinom It states that “m’dlo Michah” because they were Not Reproving ( out of tough love) that was proof of Sinas chinom, doesn’t it,?!Do we go about our hours with of י -לתקן עולם במלכות שד
A great RYonce put it”Moshiach kumpt nisht,Mir darf areinbrengen”that may be a bit much
retains some sanctity ” would be better
America is overdue for a third party ( with longevity)
Republicans should
Split with the TrumpistsThey could still coalition
a la the GOP
and the Southern Democrats of the ’50s and early ’60s
(For communism,internal subversion,)There were /are dialects of ladino
The version of the me’am Loez:sure“There is a romanticism for the Ghetto that never really existed”
One of greatest tragedies of the Russian Revolution with ensuing chaos followed by the holocaust according to Rav Soloveitchik was that every hamlet,every village, had it’s own dear traditions ,it’s own מסורה and minhagim
“actually a much more destructive and halachically problematic issue” is the shlilut Hagalut and denigration of forebears
There are contradictory methods of slavery
One brings the servant up
the other holds him/her downwe of course are proponents of the former
yosefS,,
Whatever qualms they possibly may have had with using Yiddish they had even more with modern Ivrit!“bistu dingen zich oyf der heilige Mishna Brura”.
What’s the problem?Plenty doWhy are Liberals outrages [sic]?
Authentic conservatives should be and are more outraged“None of the political parties – Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals have a monopoly on the Torah.”
While correct, Some have a monopoly on being anti Torahthat used to happen. they were called chain gangs or something
What we are dealing with are Aspirations and hashkapha
not people’s frailtiesThere many non Yiddish speakers who are exemplary jews.In fact pound for pound probably the non Yiddish speakers may have a better record than do Yiddish speakers.
No one is bad or evil simply because they lack Yiddish in their repertoireIt’s as personal only as much as you choose to make it so
Having said all that ,there are many here with a proven track record of agendae which belies that their objectivity for this and for more important topics than Yiddish“What is the opposite of an Ehrilicher Jew?”
They take in many shades and colours ,internal and external,some suave and articulate ,some less so. For a common denominator cf.story of king Yannai
Kiddushin 66Talmid,
Could it be hate or could it be tough love?Was there a someone who wrote “so much tipshus”..hmmm?
My apologies however, if a little strong, to ysebrow who does seem on other threads like an ehrliche jewanonymous Jew,
though this the popular refrain ,actually it is largely incorrect
There was a dialect for those jewish extraction in Slavic lands during the
early and mid medieval period.The name, Knaanic should about say it all
as opposed to Yudish (Slavicized to Yiddish)
And there was something more than only sentimental in Yiddish for those immigrated to North AmericaSeyag,zdad,ysebrow,avi k
Should those who are linguistically inept be deemed entitled to have an opinion of worth ?
Of more import,the leaders of recent generations felt that the weighted traditions of countless doros can only be transmitted well with Yiddish
far better than English and/or even modern ivritIt was perceived as understood that for Torah, English could not do it justice. This was in spite even of the fact that English has more articulate in vocabulary and one can make finer distinctions.
” Rav Yaakov changed the language of instruction to English in the Fifties because he felt it was too hard for kids”
Half correct only. He recommended the older students should learn Yiddish.Until a few short decades ago it was taken for granted that Torah
was to be given over in Yiddish.
And there was a strong condescension for all those who preferred any other language
Even americans as much as Rabbi Aharon Lichtenstein lectured publicly in Yiddish
So what was the cause of the unfortunate rapid change to how it is now?Several factors .But foremost:Artscrollthe Sefer B’Tuv Yerushalayim relates that the Maharil Diskin refused to speak to a certain Talmid Chacham of Jerusalem because he used to spek only Loshon HaKodesh. Said the Maharil Diskin, “For generations we are accustomed to speaking Yiddish, not Loshon HaKodesh.”
p.s. However its possible that R’ Sonnenfeld later regretted this .He even answered the Mandate language census replying he spoke hebrewMidwest2,
” mitzvos is the criterion”
Mendelsohnn also observed mitzvos
Goals are the more importantTalmid,
one can conjecture if one so wishes,whatever one likesIn the Sefer B’Tuv Yerushalayim it relates that the Maharil Diskin refused to speak to a certain Talmid Chacham of Jerusalem because he used to spek only Loshon HaKodesh. Said the Maharil Diskin, “For generations we are accustomed to speaking Yiddish, not Loshon HaKodesh.”
p.s. However it seems is disciple R’ Sonnenfeld later regretted this .He even answered the Mandate language census replying he spoke hebrew
Of Interest,the Debreciner Rav ZL was asked about about english and he replied that “Yeshivishizing” english suffices to fulfill what the Chasam Sofer wanted. We borrow many expressions from Yiddish, Aramaic (as in l’chorah, memaileh etc) and Hebrew (like mamsh), as well as changing the usage and syntax (The usage of the word “by” in “I was by so-and-so for Shabbos” )
As most of the recent pontificators have shown up in the past couple of days ,here is a re-post:
Rav Reuven Grozovsky
Famous Washington Irving HS of 1948 is brought in his “Bayos HaZeman”.Rav Reuven in his epochal 1948 speech castigated all in isms of the era including
Zionism ,hebrewism and including yiddishists and yiddishismHe declared that the yiddisher heart and holiness were seeped into the language
and Yiddish was thoroughly embodied and redolent of them.
However for many it would be turned into a religion and a foreign Ends in of itself[ a translated understatemet]
“you might want to look into Egros Moshe in Yoreh Dayah about Disagreement with a Gadol”
How about his derashos at the Agudah Conventions?
Toi,etc.
One is left to ponder:
What is a talmidzdad,
Could you inform us if there is anything you happen to agree on?Neville
Nah,though there were several other threads it would seem for thoseReb Y23,Bais,
missed the boat.It seems nice and correct except that it wrong
’tis easy to presume it is inherent though in actuality it is societal construct
Society can and does forcibly restructure gender attitudes whether overtly or less so
e.g.1984” truly talmidim in all aspects of life,”
they have at least convinced themselves of itThere is nuance which everyone as expected misses.But let sleeping dogs lie..
Tiawd,zdad,beis,
Rav Reuven Grozovsky
disagreedcontinued..
And virtually for any who did ,they’re making fraudulent usage of the titleBaerrybrisker,
What came really first, the chicken or the egg??Second ,Assuredly most Mashgichim
did Not learn in briskOn the contrary,
My older aunts were relatively mild. The dubiousness of supposed platonic relationships are worse than that.Even for those 90 and older . intimacy is only one aspect. The impact one wishes to leave on another person after one passes away differs if it is of the other gender
👑RebYidd23,
False .most “platonic” relationships are never platonic for either side.Men are usually naïve,women are just more subtle.Discussed this once with a couple of my aunts“Have you ever done a study tracking a man and a woman who claim to have a platonic relationship?”
Who cares.
Would anyone cross the street without looking, until they have “data” to support that it is dangerous, or would a single person getting run over by a truck when crossing without looking convince them that it is a bad idea?
In general widespread experience that a particular behavior is associated with troublesome results, do not require a formal study involving case/control to convince a reasonable person of the danger inherent .Joseph, though a rather common refrain ,it’s a stretch
Harvard does have legacies ,and endowments but for the most part it is a meritocracy
Who gets into brisk too much venal ,capricious, blandishments,etc.
A better comparison may be 18th century Oxford🍫Syag Lchochma,
What is wrong ?To the contrary
The poster has raised something that many males debate and ponderHealth,
Baltimore used to be a mix of Lithuanians and German jews
In the ’20s and ’30s it was usually dubbed the Jerusalem of America
as it was a more traditional albeit firmly non Chassidic community than well nigh most ,especially the boroughs of NYC.It was always firmly non chassidic
takahmamash,
Is it “increasing move to the right”
or increasing move to being more insular that is a problem?It might happen if both are 90 years old or older