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“Sephardic Sefer, as is the Tur and the Rosh” incorrect on both accountsWhen the Rosh fled to Spain he influenced one of the most distinguished communities of Spain, Toledo,
of the superiority of mesoras Ashkenaz. There are more than a few other examples. Why is there nary an example the other way?
(excepting the Romaniotes of the Balkans who switched from being under the sway of Franco-German Jewry to the newly Sephardic arrivals though that was due to sociopolitical as much as any else)TC[sic]
As you travel through all 2700+ blatt Gemara, do we in 2019 follow everything stated in Shas?
We do .
Are you implying except insofar when the leading commentaries explicitly tell us otherwise, that we don’t?!Yabia,
For some of those cases,the short uncomfortable long term answer is
no
Pious men could be found in every nook and cranny
In some cases they are the exceptions to prove the ruleNor should it matter. the discussion is not sectoral influence in a vacuum
It is predominanceNeville,
should have been rather obvious Yabia was coming From a YU corner, under a falutin Sephardic guise .
Nom de plume notwithstandingThe Chida noted in his travels that Tunisia of the latter 18th century was influenced by and adopted Ashkenazi methodology
it is Not a new phenomenon
Yabia,
Go ahead . deny it. sil vouz plaitEven in the Best of communities eg Aleppo There were very few heavyweights
While they were many pious Remaining they were not Sadly capable of dealing with the changing conditions
It was With reason that in the 60s Sephardic Jews Were unfortunately being compared to the 10 lost tribesyussel,
they worship men of the spirit
Not so much tangible materialism like some of your Hellenistsworship should have quotations
typo
Yabia Omer,
False but ignorant
start with oneWhen they were being Maspid Rabbeinu Yitzchak Elchanan at his Levaya 1896, They mourned
him as the Rashkabaha”g
When the Darshan was asked [Translated] How come he wouldn’t call him gadol hador?
response was “Because Reb Yehoshua Leib is alive [in Yerushalayim]”!” The funny thing is, that both mainstream datiim and mainstream secularites have as their common-denominator that most don’t seem all that interested in what a healed-world might be like.”
funny??RY23,” gender is not real.”
nothing is real.
Tomorrow a centaur,while yesterday you were an amoebago get some heady stuff in a back alley
Joseph,
Depends.
Possibly Ladino of the Me’am LoezA present day [ half] maskil:
Although I’m a Sephardi, I love Yiddish! It’s a soul language that basically defies all principles of what an official language should be. It’s musical and can convey feelings no other language can. I remember that the Roshei Yeshiva called me Lapes Cardeizei, because Lithuanian Jews can’t pronouncethe Maharil Diskin refused to speak to a certain Talmid Chacham of Jerusalem because he used to spek only Loshon HaKodesh. Said the Maharil Diskin, “For generations our custom speaking Yiddish, not Loshon HaKodesh.”
Where is Kever Rashbi located ?
According to R. Menachem Hachevroni (14th century) in Kfar Chananya
(15 km. south of Meron)2) When was Rashbi niftar ?
According to the Chida there is no Mekor that he was niftar on Lag Baomer
3) Who wrote the Zohar ?
According to the Yavetz it was R. Moishe d’Leon
4) How can you bring nachas to Rashbi (guaranteed) ?
The Shoel Umeishiv ( 5 – 39) writes ” if you distribute the money to Aniyei Eretz Yisroel
instead of spending it to go to his Kever etc., he guarantees Rashbi will have much more Nachas Ruach.Lag B’Omer [ Has gone so overboard & taken so overboard one can conjecture it] borders on Bal Tosif
a teshuvah (responsum) of Rav Shmuel Wosner z”l, stemming from a תוספתא that states המרקד לשלהבת הרי זה מדרכי אמורי.
the full teshuvah of Rav Wosner (שו”ת שבט הלוי, חלק ז, יורה דעה סימן קלוStart with the Vengeful Khaki election of 1918 In Britain
The red scares, isolationism In the US All Were disproportionately female drivenThe collapse of the high and open-minded British Liberal Party through the twenties Being for the most part permanently replaced by the collectivist Socialist Labour
The Head in the sand Disastrous atmosphere progression Riding emotional vacillations that was a 1920s and 30sIn the nascent Egalitarian Soviet Union The overwhelming majority of those sent to the gulag or executed were male .the vast majority the system of informers Trusted and Used by the Bolsheviks Soviet regime were female
Male & females voted roughly in equal ratio proportion for The Nazi party, even though the Nazi Party did
not allow women to serve As Representatives In the Reichstag
However women’s support for the Nazis Seemed to increase disproportionately in the years after voting ceased . And would become arguably its most fanatical supportersBut you Luna can contend that females Needed politically a learning curve.
males were given the suffrage for Different branches and levels over generations ,receiving in 1913 Finally In the US for the SenateFor the the British Isles the last Men received franchise 1918 the same moment that females 30 Or married Received it [ The remaining Gained the franchise in 1928 ]
Acknowledge at minimum that the suffragettes were too hasty
It should Have been done over the decades piecemealWomen Of 1950s subtly recognized and accepted Most or all of the above Belatedly
Which was cause of Them becoming more ‘housewifery’They would be maligned For this by the next generation of females just a decade or two later
Though It’ll take a little bit of time because men have the devolved since women got suffrage and therefore will need time to recover
Once men have somewhere Of Power That women can’t enter everyone Honest knows what will happen
[ hey maybe even top hats will have a comeback]Luna,
enjoy your feministic pipe dream
I’m willing to bet my bottom dollar even you know otherwise
What will happen afterwards is that women being embarrassed not treated as seriously will start Looking over their shoulders & In their legislature start carefully to operate seriously -even more than the men.
thus the nature of females
[ So it was In Victorian days before suffrage]Then the Media, the left, enough men with selfish low self-interested agendae, start pumping
Drumroll..
that look women are just as serious men they should be allowed into the male legislature .
Since ,most men Contrary to feminist tripe, don’t wish to eternally fight females ..probably just cave in
then the cycle downwards will continueA hypothetical-
Have the same branches of government system as The US has with “equal” rights of representation for both genders
One exception
For the bicameral legislature 1 House have male only suffrage and 1 House would have women only
Which section of the government would become the serious For the whole country would turn towards
And which section would comparatively be perceived by both genders as less serious
’nuff said??Venture to give a guess how the system will quickly Evolve?
Luna,
Frost and foam to your heart’s content
the Majority of authorities based on Devorim 17:15 The verse from whence political power is derived from [including Democratic ] conclude women are Emphatically Not intended to be included
the fact that we accept it In the present circumstances It is not ideal
And no one for whom the Sages are their Guiding lodestar can say otherwisemost authorities based on 1715 1715 political power is derived from including Democratic
women are not included by the way this this comes out to for example if If you deny that then many example the state right to Democrat democratically-elected like to tax or law of the land and a flexible either and it comes up that’s just a reality eventually gets which part of the government would become the serious one quickly only one house for women well everything else Remains the Same the same as presentPhil, et al
Difference between in theory and practical necessity would be expected, correct?R yaakov Weinberg is on record having stated more than once
feminism & subsequent offshoots [transgenderism,etc.] is a greater challenge & danger more than
any other travail that we faced over three millennia!Hard to deny that once woman got the suffrage virtually immediately clothing start getting immodest ; skirt length start getting shorter, Etc
a further point,
very first president elected promptly after women got suffrage was & is considered to this
today arguably the worst ever :Warren Harding
who was elected disproportionately by women
There was similar trajectory in other countries as wellJoseph,
It may have been largely the case in the end of the 70s ( tape 271)
could that however be said to be the case today?!
younger people are mostly on the conveyor belt way they were raised And indoctrinatedlower & middle class males are suffering
black men are suffering as much as anybodyRebbY23,
Cherrypick this postRebbG,etc.
Go for it.But not ad hoc. Make it as official as the men
have the first night for the men
second night for the womenit’s demeaning to refer to women as women
Surely we are woke enough to recognize that the word “woman” or “women” carries with it centuries and centuries of cruel, misogynistic stereotyping. Even the very existence of the word, ‘woman’ implies that women are somehow different from (not as good as!?) men, otherwise they’d be named ‘men’.Since we know men and women (pardon the phrase) are absolutely, in all ways equal. Since we know — per the new ‘wokeness’ attached to transphilia, that men and women can both have babies. Since we know that any outcome differences seen between men & women are due entirely to bias and prejudice… Wouldn’t it make sense to just remove the word ‘women’ (and all its derivatives) from the language.
AND — since, historically, men have been the privileged ones…the one’s selected to fight & die in endless wars, undertake high-mortality professions
empathize typo
RebbetzinG, etc.
We do emphasize .
it is painful to reassess how You & yours have been indoctrinated .Cognitive dissonanceMoishgil,rebbetzinG
Cute silly but a farce
any study would prove to you that
is precisely the ones with privilege who( minus a few exceptions) are not the ones suffering
Those ones will always be sitting pretty and the females will allow them . don’t believe the glass ceiling hypeIt’s the ones who don’t have the privilege are suffering and even life expectancy is going down
RY23,etc.
White men it wasn’t.when only white men had the suffrage, things were worse?
Fwd To the recent present
John McCain Was stunned his friend Joe Lieberman pushed (with Jewish Senator Carl Levin )
pushed the overturning of “don’t ask don’t tell” which accelerated the slide in Americawhat were the first two states publicly change classic marriage?
Jewish influenced New York in legislature
Maryland through referendum
The few others Only a handful prior were from
the Benchsmerel,
(3) is patently not correctEvery race has its own unique Positive proclivities And should be appreciated for them
Any less would be an unhappy monolithic colorless planet
Furthermore No race’s blood is redder than any others and nobody is allowed to Lynch anyone else
And Ultimately
וידע כל פעול כי אתה פעלתוHaving settled thus
Hasn’t the white race Based on whatever heritage generally been politically superior to others and more Suited to positions of strategic Authority Provided is used for the betterment of all And not abused?Joseph,
observe how the Commentaries over the centuries interpreted1) Women are prohibited from learning she’lo lishma
2) females ought not to learn pilpul or too much lomdus
3) Females are not to learn in an organized institutional settingThe Saba Kadisha always contended that his rebbe was his mother and her main rebbe in turn was ..her mother
only White?
divide et imperaAll decent men
non,
It happens to be a matter of record for all those who knew them even somewhat intimatelyBerger’s book while a good read
was intended to be an indictment of the yeshivish World
it boomeranged paradoxically and was more an indictment of His own modern Orthodox world
he himself conceded as much at least in partRebbetzinG,
“would not have accorded exteme kovod to their Rebbe”How is it you so assuredly presume they did?
while There were some who did their closest respected Colleagues perceived it as naivete on their Part
Second
For the epoch for the second half of the 20th century
religious world twas a desperate tough time
it was a matter of accepting whatever you can get thenPsalm 97:10
Joseph,
There always were girls who learned
The Innovation if there was, was as an official institution
As someone who was involved in a superior bais yaakov High School in North America for
some years previously ,one even presently can honestly weigh and debate whether girls being educated in institutions Is better than other options at least in theoryOne fact that’s rarely considered in the Perennial discussions was that females had just gotten suffrage .
There therefore desperate need for them to be educatediirc Frankfurt Had girls education institutionalized since 1853
RebbG,
To clue you in, since you keep harping on the same subject.
is that the only thing they didn’t follow Chofetz CHaim on?
He was against eating before blowing the shofar
He held they should wear long rather than shorter jacketHe told his grandsons reportedly that they should grow tchupps in front since with their beards and longer jackets shouldn’t come to be confused for chassidim!
Redleg
Too much propaganda?
putting aside Hungary or Galicia almost all supported the movement
matter of fact it was so obvious that most weren’t even sure what the Innovation wasGermany and Yavne already had existing before this
Rav Hutner response upon being asked how Chabad is so successful in propaganda
“because they were last ones left in Russia together with the Bolsheviks”And This was over 40 years ago
Compare with The mirth he would have had from Dalfin’s Publications
RebbetzinG,
while it is painful and tough to discover you’ve been taught till now to be incorrect
that’s part of growing upR’ zusha When challenged admitted he did not know yerushalmi
Reb Levi Yitzchok of berditchev who was a scholar of note was still handily defeated in the Pinsk debate of 1784But if revisionism suits you And yours better ,Be Our Guest .
RebbetzinG,
Just in case you didn’t catch , Neville was being facetious when he called it a minhag
Second
this is the best defense you could offer?
How about hmm..Lev Tahor
According to you they are as entitled to what they perceive as their minhag!RebbetzinG,,
must I disabuse you of your background educationfirstly a primary role in the whole Hasidic movement was to break rigid hierarchy
they were opposed to the pyramid of titles
was supposed to be a common Brotherhood
cf. comrade after the Russian Revolution
Second it is of course impolitic to say thus And heresy for ears like yours but many of them while righteous
were not Scholars of the first rankHaleivi,
Can happiness. be other than ephemeralMoral system Builds steadily National Character
One Example
A century previous when America was a relatively morally rigid country
Height For Men with 3rd highest and women fourth-highest in the world
A century later No longer even the upper 40 for males and barely hit forty For females‘There was a time when most American children were expected to outgrow their parents.
Since data on Americans’ average height was first collected in the early 20th century, children and adolescents grew about an inch and a half taller every 20 years. But recent measurements suggest Americans’ average height has more or less hit the ceiling.
Data collected from the federal Centers for Disease Control show that average height for Americans has stabilized in the past 50 years to about 5 feet 9 inches for men and 5 feet 4 inches for women.
“We’ve pretty well maxed out in terms of stature. There’s been little change in adult height over last generation,” says William Leonard, an anthropologist at Northwestern’“A 2016 study showed that Iranian men have seen the biggest change in height over the last century, gaining about 6.7 inches (17 centimeters)”.
Further example
Once Upon..on the battlefield
the German was convinced that their moral probity make them perform better than the relatively looser French . and they were proven absolutely accurateBeing overly Jewish Centric we have our own compass therefore were not as affected
& usually miss these
It is the height of crude ruthless ungraciousness To the host country to uncaringly ignore theseTo Paraphrase the famous quote:
Men build laws and institutions Then Institution and laws build menRebbetzinG,
No need to defend R’ Yaakov
Shulchan Aruch was never the be all and end all for old Litvishe Rabbanim.
cf. Bach intro.
Since when has it been
the be all and end all for Chabad?! ironyHe is content with your intestinal perturbations
“as a society we are better off if we all don’t steal and kill.”
Propaganda
Who said so
Who defines what the terms should mean anyway
Guaranteed You steal possibly even kill According some esoteric definition‘Tis Literally What the powerbrokers under the guise of democracy Find convenient And can easily brainwash at a given moment
It is A OK Halachically to be liberal for this one & laudable also
“Sanders: U.S. Must Ban Assault Weapons Like New Zealand
March 22, 2019” I don’t think any significant portion of the goyish world views that issue the same way we do.”
That’s because we have been sleepwalking
4 + 1/2 years ago there was had a hearing in Trenton regarding end-of-life .
presumably based on the polls and what notthey played up the claim of that the public was on the other side
According to reports
among those who showed up it was 9 to 1 non-jews ! against pulling the plug
Have things changed since then? Probably .and whose fault is it ?” that liberal Jews would say that after Rowe V Wade, there is no point in arguing about abortion in the political sense”
Well if there’s no absolutes and It always just relative well then you might be correct
some of the plaints against Republicans in the 1950s were They were the original ” me too”
In other words they held the same just as moderate Democrats, just perhaps little less hasty