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Hard to imagine throwing Ayn Rand in the same context as tikkun olam
To be fully accurate,
One could often make the same claim across the spectrum [or for some the circle] including surely capitalism and even democracyubi,
What Health presumably is saying is while Nazis and equivalents are/were open[with erratic leeway] & outright on what they espouse,the so called Left espouse and propound on brotherhood- or presently sisterhood, of humanity.However in practice they will be just as virulent and ruthless, and the Ends are little more than semantics
“‘Ubi, that sounds like fascism’
Well it isnt.”‘Tis more blurry than thus. Engels was certainly of the opinion that Nations were Bourgeoisie and therefore only an intermediate stage, towards their soon abolition and the coming brotherhood of all humanity
“Classical liberalism (today’s libertarianism) is socially liberal while believing in laissez-faire economics. ”
False
Adam Smith and the majority of later Classical Liberals were High minded and they weren’t libertarian nor socially liberal
There were though some exceptions such as John Stuart Mill“offering us a stimulating analysis of May 1968 in France, Daniel Mahoney ..He recognizes that those actors who participated most influentially in “the events” were not of the same creed, but diversely Trotskyites, Maoists, aficionados of Che [Guevara], and anarchists..
I was a careful observer of sit-ins and building takeovers at my own University of Pennsylvania.. A small number of self-aware activists used specific issues to draw in a much larger number of students who had few deep political commitments. In the crucible of all-night plenary sessions in occupied buildings, however, the insiders worked their alchemy upon the far, far larger number. Votes at 9 p.m. to place more students on university decision-making committees became, by 2 a.m., votes to dismantle American capitalism in which almost all of them had wanted to prosper only a few hours before.. As in France, a goodly number of those who were truly absorbed by the politics and cultural politics went into academic life or into journalism, where they would later wield an influence far beyond their actual numbers.Mahoney rightly argues, of course, the significant consequences of whatever changed in 1968 were less political in any immediate sense than they were cultural and attitudinal. Indeed, the spirit of May ’68 expressed its rejection of bourgeois life and values in a slogan ubiquitous at that time: “Métro, boulot, dodo.” This slogan (so contemptuous in its childlike rhyme and slang) means subway (that is, commuting to one’s job), work, sleep. That was the dreariness and human destitution of our condition under liberal capitalism. The phrase was derived from a line in a 1951 poem by Pierre Béarn, “Couleurs d’Usine.” Béarn, perhaps describing his father’s life in a factory, ended his poem this way (translation mine):
Au déboulé garçon pointe ton numéro
Pour gagner ainsi le salaire
D’un morne jour utilitaire
Métro, boulot, bistro, mégots, dodo, zéro
(Rush in boy, punch your time card
In order to earn the salary
Of a dismal utilitarian day
Metro, work, bistro, cigarette butts, sleep, zero.)One ostensible offical difference between communism and present Left was the Marxist scoffing at law,and the policy of Power justify every means. Though the difference is really on the surface rather than factual. They have figured out how to play the System better
Some of the most ardent anti communists were the European Religious [part] socialists
In a nutshell Economics was never ever enough of reason to pour so much blood opposing Communism“How do you leave the economic aspect out of something that is as much economics as it is politics, if not more?”
Because it was far more than just economics.One could virtually state that economics was the early twentieth century Means to the worse Ends. They were out to repudiate all previous held norms and Values
If this is too difficult, let us put it thus they a combo of pre-Marxist Jacobinism and[ as some eg Jordan Peterson terms them] “postmodern neo marxism”Dovid,
Many , From Lenin through Orwell to George Will
have proven that pure Capitalism vs. Communism have in practice more similarities than what divides themThe Tragedy is the word Liberalism used to hold
rather positive connotations a century agoThe Rambam
wrote some strong anti-goyish religion things. He wasn’t too concerned about perhaps causing a Chillul
Was he?One can in theory make a chillul Hashem in any circumstance.One should be proper and polite to the Nazis on the way to the gas chambers or to the Spaniards on the way to auto de fe
Takes 2,Gadol et al
Leopold Stein and many of the early Reform used to make similar claims
These claims are hardly your ownThe Short answer is yes ,albeit probably more Trotsky than Stalin ,if one leaves the economics aspect out
Irony
Those who profoundly feel תקן עולם במלכות need now to somehow defend from those ‘pious’ attacks of those don’t?Agree. In the ideal world this should be stopped
In the interim other ‘Events’ ought to stopped first.Make these a worthy Campaign issue
R’ Y. Perr of Far Rockaway related once [ if any details are inaccurate,someone correct me]
when he was a boy his father a noted Rabbi ,was called to attend some sort of political event with figures of other religionsAt the conclusion the Bishop stood up to say a prayer and everyone rose as well.
His father remained firmly in his seat and held him in his.
He asked his father afterwards about it. His father replied ‘To stand up would have been a Sha’aleh of Harog V’al Ya’avor’According to Ramban Sanhedrin 15b , the king must confer with the sanhedrin and get permission before launching an offensive war. However Meiri does say that he only needs sanhedrin to mobilize conscription, implying that he may have a his own volunteer forces.
There are commentaries based upon Tosefos 21a
that it is forbidden for a sovereign to promulgate a law
that only benefits him/them personally.According to the yerushalmi
the King also has to ask a navi before going to war .According to Ri Migash 21b The Monarchy is entitled to have funding for intelligence,deception,espionage
As for Lo Yarbeh of treasureRambam forbids a king to even keep money and possesions which came to him via conquest
The Ramah and Ran however permit .it is only forbidden to levy excessive taxes
” I do not presume to know what will be when Moshiach comes. ”
So what’s the point of any halachic discussion?
“All I am stating is the halachic requirements of what a Jewish Army can be comprised of”
How else?
Isn’t Halacha is written in halachic [messianic] ideal from which our sources are derived??Rav Kook Orot b’mhalach chapter 2
[loosely and roughly translated]
The goal of Am Yisrael is to remove humanity from their yoke of their spiritual and physical troubles, and bring them a life of freedom, glory ‘Hod v’eden’, in light of the Godly ideal and bring success to all humanity.In order to fulfill thisl, the tzibbur needs to have a commonwealth, a national sovereignty at the very height of human socio-culture”Am chacham v’navon v’hagoy hagadol (Ve’eschanan)’
And for the commonwealth to be run by the laws of God..‘What does Devorim have to do with anything? It has nothing to do with an Army, but with horses, wives and gold. Also, after Saul, Israel had a regular standing army in addition to citizen solders were required to serve to fill the ranks. ”
Foolish. One of rare times the gemara is darush Ta’amei D’kra.
It is obvious to avoid amassing a standing army and the like
Shaul actually at first did zero. He was in a de facto war
and since for defense it was allowed and incumbent upon him
Shlomo, arguably violated this Lo Yarbeh as he violated the all the Lo Yarbehs
For which the Kingdom was wrested from his son.“He may well be just like Queen Elizabeth or he may be like a real king. I do not presume to know what will be when Moshiach comes.”
Really? It is clear for those who however care. Start with Yeshaya Chapter 11
” All I am stating is the halachic requirements of what a Jewish Army can be comprised of.”
Without prejudice or bias based upon what suits the zeitgeist??“I do not presume to know what will be when Moshiach comes.”
But we do have some idea
e.g.( Hilchos Parah Adumah 3:4 )
the tenth (para adumah) will be brought by the king Mashiach
the Rambam writes Moshiach will do Shemita and Yovlos. “My job is to make sure I do my part for him to come.”
We are in this world for the purpose of bringing moshiach
That is all
We have few working in whatever endeavor towards that goal
The problem is there are many (mouthing piousness ) whose goals are .. differentanon1m0us
Irrespective of what the Chida [Drush]may possibly say,
it is generally accepted as per GEMara one of the
Shaul and his family were killed ,was because of the destruction of nov Ir haCohanim.
And Doeg was lost his Olam Haba toomishna?Which?
‘Yael and Devora did their bits.”
But they did not carry or use swords because of Lo Silbashthe Noda beyehuda?
rav moshe?
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the dean of gush?A pilegesh would necessitate singles going to the mikveh.
There are many teshuvos forbidding this ( officially/ publicly at least)anon1m0us,
Jews are proponents of hierarchical representative socio-political ordered commonwealth.
Might we assume you to be of the crowd that erratically will lurch from desire/need for an dictatorial autocratic Ruler only to emotionally lurch later to the other political extreme of demanding a leveling chaotic mass democracy (‘the tyranny of the majority is worse than the majority of tyranny’) that philosophers have warned us about for eons?
anon1m0us,avi K,
Would Dovid violate Devarim 17;16-17??
The mishna based upon it states a monarch is permitted to have כדי מרכבתו
which we could presume to mean an honor guard, as most monarchs and emperors had in the past.
We can further presume that they were also his cadre of officers for when the nation commonwealth were mobilized.The armed forces were citizen-soldiers serving together with their own shevet/provincial regimental colors..
“There is no country on the face of the earth to which the principle of citizen-soldiership is so well adapted as our own, for the freedom possessed by Britons is of so general and real a character as to cause the humblest in the land to feel deeply the neccessity of preserving the safety and independence of the nation of which he is a part”
The Volunteer’s book of facts 1863
beisyosef
The Dvar Avraham refuted that
Gadolhadorah,
So we could have closed shop by the crusades, Tach V’Tat or the pogroms?
We should give up on our raison d’etre??We are building toward a Halachic Messianic Utopia through our blood and tears
Read what HaRav Elya Meir Bloch wrote on the day he heard his family had been wiped out
Avi K,
Let”s hear what Rabbi Melamed has said:
The IDF’s Eroding Attitude towards Jewish Tradition
It was recently reported that further erosion has occurred in the rules of ‘Appropriate Integration’ (‘Ha’Shiluv Ha’Ra’ui’) in the IDF; not only are religious soldiers forced to listen to female singers, but commanders are now allowed to force them to serve in mixed-gender units
And/Or
Military Rabbi is Not the Mara d’Atra
As a result of the steady erosion of the status of the Military Rabbinate, which also reflects a dismissive attitude towards Jewish tradition, I wrote a number of times that unfortunately, the IDF Chief Rabbi no longer has the authority of mara d’atra (the local rabbinic authority), whose instructions and halakhic rulings are binding, seeing as he does not have the independence required to be a mara d’atra.
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What is a Mara d’ Atra?The literal meaning of mara d’atra is ‘master of the place’; in other words, the person who everyone listens to. In the past, the intention was a rabbi who was listened to in all matters of religious law and morality, including wage agreements and strikes. When the status of the rabbinate became weakened, the authority of the rabbi was reduced to the field of halakha alone. Nevertheless, when a community chose a rabbi, they undertook to abide by his halachic rulings. The Chief IDF Rabbi, however, is dependent on his superiors; it is forbidden for him to publish any halachic decision that has public implications without express approval of his superiors and the IDF spokesman. If he publishes a halakha in contradiction to the position of his superiors – he is discharged. In such a situation, he clearly lacks the authority of mara d’atra, rather, that of a senior officer and advisor of religious affairs to the Chief of Staff, as defined in the IDF commands. Moreover, a mara d’atra has to be chosen by God-fearing people with the purpose of strengthening Torah and observance of mitzvot, and not by secular officers whose interests are vastly different..
The Selection Process of Rabbi Krim
To our shame, this also happened in the election process of the next Chief IDF Rabbi, Rabbi Eyal Krim, shlita, who is a great Torah scholar and an outstanding combat officer, who served as a commander in the Sayeret Matkal (Special IDF Forces), and commander in the Sayeret Tzanchanim (Special Paratrooper Forces). For many generations the Jewish nation has waited for rabbis who combine safra and seifa (book and sword) as wonderfully as he does. However, the manner in which he was appointed shows just how subordinate he is to military leaders, and not free to express the position of Jewish law…
The Obligation to Rise in Opposition
For the sake of the Israeli army, which is obligated to honor Jewish tradition, it is our duty to rise up in opposition against these orders. This obligation is imposed on public officials, first and foremost, the Defense Minister and his deputy, and upon every soldier and officer.
This article appears in ‘Besheva’ ,, and was translated from Hebrew
anon1m0us,
‘If Dovid or Saul wanted them to enforce the torah, like Yehoshaya, then they did, but that was not their job!”
Really?
Show us please just one single source that says that or anything a shred like it!“Jewish Army follows the halacha, not because a King tell them to follow the halacha or because of the Sanhedrin. They follow it because each individual in that army follows the halacha. As stated, the Army follows the king, not Sanhedrin. If a soldier decides to follow Sanhedrin and not the king, he is killed for Mored B’Malchus.”
False
So Nov Ir Hakohanim deserved death for disobeying shaul?If a soldier followed the urim V’tumim which was ignored by the Ruler
he is chayav?“So to summarize, a Jewish Army Al Pi Halacha is an army that each individual upholds the halacha. Al Pi Halacha, this army can contain Men and Women. This Army can fight on Shabbos and when moshiach comes, will also ask Sanhedrin regarding halachic issues and since the king will be Moshiach, there will be no issues. Until then, the army follows the Prime Minister and asks all halachic questions to the chief rabbi.’
False
Judaism WAS a national public religion primarilyEven In the hashgafa of Rav Kook and the Religious Zionists founders, israel
was and is all supposed to be about the
whole Klal, Galut was of by default about the individual. That is why we had centralized control, while in the Galut, individual rabbis would make individual decisions about individuals.‘Twas obvious before you were trying to force the suited Agenda.Now you openly came out and said it!
“Until then, the army follows the Prime Minister and asks all halachic questions to the chief rabbi.”
So you desire to abrogate political control from the representatives of the klal, the Sanhedrin, and transfer it to the Monarch. And then you’ll transfer the role of the monarch to the
“people’s representatives”, the knesset and the gov’t.Very Well Done!!
Even Eminent Non Jews e.g.
Selden
Understood the Check and Balances (e.g. The King
nominated a Kohen Mishu’ach Milchama from the Kohanim but it had to be approved)And based their systems upon it.
Lo Yarbeh
is to adjure the Monarch against having a large private force.anon1m0us,etc.
“please show me ONE instance throughout the torah where the King says do A, and then Sanhedrin says do B, the army listened to the Sanhedrin???!!!! All I need is ONE instance! ”
Sanhedrin disapproved of Aleander yannai’s annexation of Edom
( unfortunately, in that instance, his army was mercenaries so he ignored them)Sanhedrin declared that it had to the Right to try
Herod ,Hycarnus’s officer on reckless murderDovid had to ask Them permission to end the economic crisis through and invade Syria
Avi K,
Reread my words “battalion of women’
individual women fighting as irregulars is completely irrelevant .Has someone written anything about what an halachicly ideal Jewish army looks like? i.e., is there any sefer out there that describes a Jewish army al pi halacha?
a bit late
This actually was the bread and butter of Mizrachi and Pa”i Journals from the ’50s through the’ 70sCan any one pull up a single reference of a battalion of women fighting anywhere ?
When the chashmonaim battled the yevanim to defend religion and freedom, did women fight? Were they even permitted? !
In Dovid Hamelech’s army, did women fight? Were they even permitted? !
In kibush ha’aretz under Yehoshua and later,did women fight?Were they even permitted? !When Amale, attacked the benei yisroel did women fight?Were they even allowed!?
Even those will pull out a tshuva that women who live in dangerous, unsettled communities AFTER THE FACT are allowed in those circumstances to carry a weapon, is there a single posek who ever allowed a woman to don a uniform?!
“Miracles”
Celebrations,Possibly
Or possibly a Nisayon
D’varim13:2-6“he date of the declaration is the proper day to celebrate as that was when the British left and we became independent. It was also a great kiddush Hashem as the British and Americans both warned BG against it.”
On the contrary it made us appear worse..
Beforehand there was a tremendous overwhelming latent sympathy for us after the holocaust.Afterwards,”the tough jews will/could take care of themselves”
(The nazi trials also started to diminish)please dont cite כל הקורא הלל בכל יום הרי זה מחרף ומגדף. since nobody is suggesting saying it ” בכל יום”)
Because?? The RAV
from Boston himself said soRashkaba”g
Rabban Shel Kol Bnei HaGolah
A major part of being a gadol Hador
(although hardly the Definition of )
is being a Manhig
Reb Dovid prefers to refrain from that role.
When they asked him to join the Moetzes ,he at first declined. Eventually he agreed , but largely from a distance.
Yichusdik,
When they were being Maspid Rabbeinu Yitzchak Elchanan at his Levaya, They lamented him as the Rashkaba”g
When asked [Translated] How come they wouldn’t call him gadol hador?
The response was “Because Reb Yehoshua Leib is alive [in Yerushalayim]”!
Wolf,
A ‘Lav’ with Capital punishment outranks a ‘lav’ with Kareis
and so on
Although there are exceptions
Wolf,
Judaism is a Value pyramid
An explicit ‘Lav’ is higher
In the case before us,
Putting the two on the same level is incorrect.
“Women not wearing men’s clothing and men not wearing women’s clothing is also halacha.”
??
It is an explicit passuk
lkwd,
That sounds positively marxist
“How many tanks and divisions does he have?”
american_yerushalmi,
well said
lbrite,
(If this supposed to be purim leitzunus)
you surely will be affected
For penance, use only gender specific shampoo for 9 months
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
– Philip K. Dick
This is so for the 3D physical world
In the world of spirit ,belief
often is an integral element smoothing the conduit [of bounty] towards a recipient
continued..
even though he stayed orthodox