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March 21, 2011 6:42 am at 6:42 am in reply to: Rishai Yisroel Afilu Al Pischai Shel Gehenom Ain Choizrin #751439intersaantehMember
Rishaim, not Rishai Yisroel.
Very end of:
http://www.dafyomi.co.il/gitin/points/gi-ps-056.htm
And start of:
http://www.dafyomi.co.il/gitin/points/gi-ps-057.htm
(j) Unkelus bar Klonikus was Titus’ nephew; he wanted to convert. He conjured up his uncle from the dead.
1. Unkelus: Who is important in the next world?
2. Titus: Yisrael are.
3. Unkelus: Should I cling to them (convert)?
4. Titus: They have too many Mitzvos, you cannot fulfill them. Rather, fight them in your world, and you will become a head.
i. “Its oppressors became leaders” – whoever oppresses Yisrael becomes a leader.
5. Unkelus: What was your judgment?
6. Titus: It is what I myself declared. Each day, my ashes are gathered, judged, burned, and scattered on the seven seas.
1) THE WICKED IN GEHINOM
(a) Unkelus conjured up Bilam from the dead.
1. Unkelus: Who is important in the next world?
2. Bilam: Yisrael are.
3. Unkelus: Should I cling to them?
4. Bilam: “Do not seek their peace or well-being, forever.”
5. Unkelus: What was your judgment?
6. Bilam: I am in boiling semen.
(b) Unkelus conjured up Yoshke from the dead.
1. Unkelus: Who is important in the next world?
2. Yoshke: Yisrael are.
3. Unkelus: Should I cling to them?
4. Yoshke: Seek their good, not their evil. Whoever touches (harms) them is like one who touches the apple of Hashem’s eye.
5. Unkelus: What was your judgment?
6. Yoshke: I am in boiling excrement.
i. Anyone who mocks Chachamim is judged in boiling excrement.
(c) See the difference between sinners of Yisrael and prophets of the Nochrim!
intersaantehMemberMommy:
With such attitude, any of you divorced? I don’t think people like to be whipped. Do they? Saying-DON’T do this, DON’T do that, DO this, DO that, NEVER,NEVER,NEVER..- any reason for him to be interested?
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/girls-thoughts-on-boys-dating#post-219055
intersaantehMemberLots of stories, lots of causes, sadly
THE MAIN ONE
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/primary-cause-for-frum-divorces-revisited-1
intersaantehMemberMingling mommas and poppas (no relation to the great PBA.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/primary-cause-for-frum-divorces-revisited-1
intersaantehMemberintersaantehMemberintersaantehMemberbein_hasdorim: Thank you.
“Obviously we are not talking about a parent getting involved when there is an actual problem e.g. abuse verbally or physical,
not providing financial, emotional support, etc…”
I believe the experts are referring to these cases as well. How does an all caring parent know that’s the truth and its not a figment of their imagination. Was at a wedding where the kallahs mom scram at the chosson that he is a “control freak” on the way out for heading to a hotel (a Jewish one) the night of the chassuna. She wanted them to go to the basement next door she arraigned. So whos the “control freak”?
If a caring MIL/FIL sees a concern, they should bite their tongue and head right over to their rov or therapist to get advise on how to proceed. And if need be, get some counseling for THEMSELVES.
intersaantehMemberFlower: “So in may be that real invalid in-law interferences may not be the second most common reason for divorce”
Three very experienced experts claim its the PRIMARY cause.
You claim it may not be the second most common cause. Although we don’t know your credentials, you are indeed correct. Its the primary cause.
You wouldn’t happen to be one of those mingling mothers, would you?
intersaantehMemberNo tips. I know two people who did that one after a three year break the other after a few months break. both are happily married 10 years and seven years so far….
intersaantehMemberWolf: I would add one more ingredient. They are committed to make it work
intersaantehMemberlol Feif
s2021: You have every reason to be suspicious. The numbers are not in your favor. Always find out what measures were taken to make the marriage work. Solution: Don’t get divorced unless you 1) MUST. 2) a rov and/or professional tell you you are doing all you can but it cant work because of him. They will be able to vouch for you being the normal one.
intersaantehMemberFlower: making excuses for what the experts and common sense tell us is inexcusable behavior is just wrong. Do you argue with your doctor? Where was that parent before they got engaged? Once married let that all caring parent have a professional or a rov encourage the divorce.
intersaantehMember“The inference would be in-laws shouldn’t get involved in people’s marriages. While to some degree this is true, it should be applicable to everyone, not just in-laws.”
Knowing the cause helps in preventative measures. Seeking guidance from a Rov and/or marriage counselors is certainly important as soon as a problem arises or as soon as parents start mingling. Waiting for time to solve this problem wont work. With other problems, it may work.
intersaantehMemberTischadshi Ms. Yenta.
Hey, why did s/he divorce the first time? If it was a wrongful alliance to a parent, why would it not happen again? Then again, people can and do improve. It all depends
If it was the other spouses fault, second marriage would work.
Congrats Always here. Keep it up!
intersaantehMemberAccording to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:
The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%
intersaantehMemberRabbi Viner
Steven Mostofsky
are all saying/have said this as a DEFINITE!, not a maybe. Oh yeah, and they all have had years and years of experience totaling thousands of cases
intersaantehMemberIf you live near Brooklyn, deliver it to him personally. Come back a few days later for a response, if he won’t write it he will still answer you.
intersaantehMemberJanuary 17, 2011 12:10 am at 12:10 am in reply to: Primary cause for Frum Divorces revisited. #730057intersaantehMemberintersaantehMembertro11: “I feel that the OP’s post shows a lack of seriousness about what she’s doing, and excuse me for saying an overall lack of maturity. If you have valid reasons to reject offers for subsequent dates, this is your prerogative. It is, however, in bad taste to go online and ridicule a person who presumably tried his best to plan a nice date.
Also, imagine how the gentleman is feeling if he is reading this thread. I am speculating that he did not drink your water, either. Probably, he mindlessly took it, and threw it out at home. The CR is not a forum for uncompassionate ridicule.”
So true. Seen a friend of mine ripped apart here. His side of course was not presented. He was hurt.
You dont like s/t a guy did, tell him. Why give enough details to rip him up on the boards?
Classless? or you both are of the same class!
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