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“Even simpler, they could provide an explicit option to ask for seating next to someone of the same sex, and do the assignments that way. If there was enough demand on a particular flight they could even have single-sex sections. This is a very simple idea, ”
That would probably go just as smoothly as the concert for chareidim in Afula.
“So using your “logic” they (and we) should make bombs legal. Boms don’t kill people, people kil people. and of course drugs are already illegal and people abuse drugs anyway”
There is no right to make bombs so the argument isn’t comparable.
The right to own firearms exists. America was founded on her freedoms. If you want to make America less free then there better be a good argument. The fact that main use of these deadly weapons is for sport and they can be used to kill whether or not in self defense is not a good enough reason to take away a right. If those were good enough reasons, then why shouldn’t we ban bowling balls? Bowling balls can also be used as a weapon and their only benefit is for sport.
” I have see a pic of two Chabad “rabbis” in some sort of disco dancing near (not with) two obviously see women.”
Conclusion, all Chabad rabbis would go disco dancing? Chas Veshalom! Using the same logic, if you saw a black hatter yeshivish man who turned out to be a molester, would you say that all black-hatter yeshivish men are molesters? The same way we don’t just the entire Jewish community by the outliers in the community, you shouldn’t judge all chabad rabbis as not being makpid on tznius.
“You can’t know who is male or female today, if people’s parents are their real parents ( goyim/non-frum people are posting videos of surprising results of their dna tests…the results are mamesh like the revelation of who is a bechor during makos bechoros in mitzrayim) and of course the halachik ramifications of who is the real mother of people who got pregnant through artificial means.”
You seem to believe, based on this and other posts, that this is common. Where is your data coming from?
“Philosopher pointed out that many of those who claim to be Jews but not religious are actually halachicly gentiles and not Jews.”
Philosopher is saying that all forms of kiruv rechokim must stop based on the assumption that the above is common.
“I have heard this argument before, I have a few questions for you
1) we aren’t going to be able to stop the government with AR-15 s. We will need automatic weapons, tanks armed drones here etc. Do you support my right to own those? Keep in mind the 2nd amendment says “arms” it isn’t limited to guns. So why are these arms ok but not these, particularly if the rational is to stop a tyranical government?”
How is this not contradictory to other statements that you’ve said.
You said previously that although better background checks wouldn’t be able to prevent all mass shootings, most likely it should result in much fewer mass shootings.
Here, you’re suggesting that if a bunch of people have guns they won’t be able to prevent a government takeover. You’re right that they won’t be able to save the whole country, but at least they have a chance of protecting themselves.
Health, I wasn’t arguing with you. My intention was to quote you but elaborate on what you said.
“Guns for criminals will be sold on the street like abused Drugs.”
They already are.
Ever heard of TOR? Every criminal has and they are probably more likely to buy them in cash, through the dark web or with some other non traceable way, rather than to risk having the government have any tabs on them.
Anyone with bad intentions can get a gun within a day or two. It’s the good guys who will have to wait for 911 to arrive when they have seconds to protect themself.
Philosopher, that is the case for some. The question is if it is a new phenomenon that Aish now has to adapt to in order to be successful.
I was saying that it is nothing new but for some people, their hatred for Trump has seemed to make them more anti Israel than they were previously. I was suggesting that since their newer, stronger hatred for Israel seems to be a rebellion against Trump, perhaps if Trump became anti Israel overnight, they might want to feel the opposite as him.
There were always secular Jews who were anti Israel. There are still secular Jews who are pro Israel.
The anti Israel secular Jews have become more vocal in their distaste for Israel and I think that most of it is fueled by their hatred for trump. I believe that if trump started tweeting against Israel, it might spark within these folk an interest toward Israel.
Of course, the money helps especially considering the expense of paying for therapy for years to work out the trauma.
Joseph, I think most victims of these kinds of abuse would be happy if the perps are in jail so they don’t have to be afraid of seeing them on the street. I don’t think it’s usually the money they’re after.
“Unless some sort of rabbinic directive is given it will be too embarrassing for people to stop getting gowns. It’s become too much of a given at every chasunah.”
Rabbanim are not going to put takkanos on gowns for weddings. Way too many people have their livelihood in making/selling/renting these gowns that the rabbanim aren’t going to start restricting their use.
I think women and girls like wearing gowns because they like wearing gowns. I don’t think it’s because they’re embarrassed to go without but rather because they are excited that they get to wear one. With all the restrictions on clothing, gowns are an opportunity for a woman to feel beautiful. If the parents can’t afford it, perhaps they can give the child a budget and tell the child to pay for the rest.
“my older sister was molested 68 years ago and her statute of limitations ran out in 1963. Age didn’t just wake up; my parents didn’t believe her”
Just a theory. If you parents had believed her, I think her life would be very different right now.
I have a friend whom when she told her parents, they responded, “okay, let’s just check with him and see if your story adds up.”
BH we now have organizations like Amudim that guide parents when their kids come forward with these allegations.
Joseph, the people who are still religious is any form after having been sexually abused ate to be commended to the highest degree. The fact that they are able to be religious shows that their belief in hashem overrides the excruciating pain they went through at the hands of “religious” people.
If they want to use a secular court because they saw that the religous community had no interest in supporting them when they reached out for help, then who can blame them.
The problem is that most people who were abused are no longer willing to have very much to do with religion
“When I say Takanah I don’t mean forcing anyone how to act. I mean a communal recommendation to stop this unnecessary expense. Thousands of dollars are spent collectively each Chasunah on one time use gowns, do we really need it?”
I wore the same dress to two sisters weddings when they were two months apart. I also haven’t gotten rid of my other wedding dresses just in case I have a chance to wear them again.
If the women in your family are unwilling to wear a wedding dress multiple times, that is a personal issue, not a communal one.
The feeling of finding “the one” is kind of overrated. Some people feel something magical and others don’t. There are some magic-feelers as well as some muggles who go on to live happily ever after and there are also some in each group who get divorced.
I think people wear gowns because they feel close to the kallah and because it’s fun.
If people think it’s untznius, they should spend more time on their side of the mechitza. They could also avoid going to weddings if they can’t handle it.
“He did not offend women on this thread and doesn’t deserve to be called names because someone chooses to be offended where no offense was committed”
I feel that he did intend to be inflammatory. The fact that every person has to account for their own emotions doesn’t change that he seemed to be egging people to get offended.
His first tactic was to say that if people don’t take the chazal at face value and instead understand it a bit differently, based on different mifarshim than are his preference, then they are brainwashed by our culture and are even apikorsim.
Later, when he realized that there are many interpretations for this chazal and some of them are not entirely dismissive of women, he posted another chazal that seems to be more obviously degrading of women and said that if women aren’t willing to accept the raw translation and instead prefer to understand the context in order to understand it deeper, then those women are kofrim.
He then disappeared and hasn’t felt the need to justify not having been inflammatory. If I posted something and people’s feelings were hurt, I would try to explain that I hadn’t meant to be offensive.
” Additionally, why does it bother women that men might be better than them if a כהן said that to a ישראל he wouldn’t care”
Why are men better? Men are better for some things and women are better for others.
According to the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, (152/3)
The din is that one woman can be with 2 “kosher” men during the day, in the city. If she’s in the field, there must be three “kosher” men.
If the men are prutzim (or not Jewish) then a woman is not even allowed to be with many men.
A man can never be alone with 2 women, ever, kosher or not.I find that most men are in full agreement with the negative male stereotypes (ie. that men are pigs) while most women get offended by negative female stereotypes. However, what I think was bothering most of the women, throughout reading this thread, is not that chazal, at times, may or may not have negative things to say about women. In my opinion, the thing that was really upsetting was the implication that chazal, and therefore Judaism, was denigrating to women as a general rule. When people were quoting chazal and the Gemara, they chose quotes without giving the source for it and therefore making it difficult for others to find out what was really meant. Then, without having learned in depth about the topic, it was implied that we were kofrim if we were not willing to accept the implication, as is.
“I heard that a reason why Hashem gave Nashim this characteristic of daton kalos was so that they would be able to accept having more children and not reject the idea because of the memory of their first birth.”
That’s a very cute interpretation but most women don’t forget the pain of pregnancy and birth. They do it because they want more children but not because they forgot what they went through.
The language of the Gemara was specifically da’as. The question is what does da’as mean? How does it differentiate from chochma or binah? Were they referring to da’as as in the literal translation, i.e. intelligence? The same word is used in terms of a union between man and woman (Adam yada es Chava), so did they choose that word because women are only allowed to be married to one man while men are allowed many wives? Were they referring to the da’as that is brought down in Sefer Yetzirot? Were they referring to the deep awareness of Hashem, which is called da’as?
To use the phrase “nashim datan kalos” as business advice is silly unless you delved deeply into all the sources to understand what was meant.
“the only way to know what the risk really is so that we can decide if this is considered safe. is by having a real long-term study that is vax vs unvaxed so that we can know the risk percentage.”
Anti-vaxxers say they would even be okay with a retroactive study.
Here’s my own retroactive study.
The first routinely recommended vaccine was in 1917. The average life expectancy then was 48.4 years.
The vaccine schedule hasn’t changed much since the 1970s until today. Life expectancy in 1970 was 67.
Now that we’ve had a few decades of relatively the same vaccine schedule, life expectancy is up to 79 years.
I fear you will argue that it has nothing to do with vaccines because the only reason we are healthier is because of hygiene. Proper hygiene definitely plays a part but if vaccines were dangerous, considering that at least 90% of people follow the recommended schedule and the average life expectancy is increasing, it seems that vaccines are not a huge killer.
“That’s not a euphemism”
That’s the problem with social justice language. No one can figure out why some terms are more offensive than others.
110 degrees is starting to sting.
5 minutes can make a huge difference. Just think about the difference in weather between 88F and 93F. In 88 you’re hot but it’s tolerable. 93 is already starting to be suffocating.
“I understand lightbrite’s original question as “we all know a woman can change a man but can a man make a woman less Frum or more Frum”
Of course it goes both ways. When a man and woman live together, they are probably sharing ideas on a regular basis and they influence each other.
A person is only responsible for his/ her own actions, but the surroundings (especially spouses) do have a major effect.
I meant outbreak, not breakout.
Abba_s,
The supreme court has ruled that the choice of whether or not to vaccinate does not fall under the category of civil rights, especially during a breakout.
I don’t understand why parents want to send their children to a school that believes such outdated conspiracy theories such as that vaccines are safe. If they believe that, then who knows what else they believe and are indoctrinating my kids with. Maybe they’re even part of the conspiracy and are being paid off by big pharma?!?! These schools are blind sheeple who just eat up whatever the government tells them.
“Could you just provide us with a list of things you don’t think are secretly poisonous and being covered up by a giant conspiracy?”
Duh. Everything in a health food store and anything a nutritionist created in their own kitchens.
“Remember, Trump said the people chanting “The Jews won’t replace us” in Charlottesville included “some very fine people.””
It’s very easy to look up what he actually said, but since all the Trump haters love to say that trump called now-nazis and white supremacists nice people, here are two actual quotes from that press conference.
1) “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”
2) “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Then you wonder why Trump calls them, “the fake news media” and “the enemy of the people”. If you can’t trust the media to find out the truth about current events, then who can you trust.
Klum,
I should’ve specified that I was referring to leftist feminists who are the most outspoken feminists nowadays.
Said feminists are advocates of transgenders competing in female sports competition. They hold that if you paint your nails pink and sway your hips then you are a female. They say that being a woman is a feeling and that anyone who wishes to be a woman can be a woman.
They advocate for no questions asked abortions and they think the most shameful state for a woman to be in is either pregnant or a stay at home mom.
They advocate for equal pay, but don’t you think that if women were being paid so much less than men for the same work, that most employers would only want to hire women?
Their women’s marches are a total joke where they protest that men and women are exactly the same and that it’s sexist to think that one gender should to cover up more than the other.
I am an classic feminist, but I would not qualify as a feminist in 2019. I am a wife and a mother and I would be happy to use my strengths to provide for my family and better the world if necessary and practical. I think that women have their strengths and weaknesses and men have their strengths and weaknesses and while every person is unique and both genders do have similarities, there are definite qualities that are more likely to be considered feminine character traits while there are other qualities that are more likely to be masculine. This was the belief of classic feminists but what is has dissolved into is a trying to destroy feminism entirely which is why I said that feminists are the biggest misogynists.
I probably would’ve said something along the lines of, “that must have been such a special experience for you. I hope you weren’t implying that there’s something inferior about my practice as there are many reasons that we do the things we do. But I’m happy for you that you got to have that experience.”
What you said was great but I would’ve probably commented gently on his attacking orthodoxy.
“I think most posters would agree with this sentiment. After all, if it wasn’t for misogynists we probably wouldn’t have feminists.”
I don’t feel that way. It took a lot of internal work but I’ve come to a place where I appreciate the differences between men and women that I don’t feel I have to ruin a misogynist’s day in order to feel my self worth.
Feminism had its time and place. The problem is that feminists still think the war is going on. Feminism used to be about female empowerment. It has more recently become a movement that is intent on destroying whatever aspects of sense of femininity they can while making a mockery of whatever is left. The biggest misogynists of today are feminists.
The idea that women would do a better job at running a government than men is kind of laughable but mostly immature.
If a specific woman is deserves to have a position of power, it is because she herself is qualified, just like it should be for a man. A woman has more obstacles in her path for various reasons. Some of the reasons may be misogynistic while most reasons take into consideration the many actual differences between men and women.
If women would take over the government, which social group would they come from? Is it reasonable to say that a leftist, socialist woman is more qualified than a conservative, religious man? Or is a leftist, socialist man less qualified than a conservative religious woman? My point is that a person’s gender is not what determines a person’s credibility.
It’s very likely that this song is totally muttar and that this song is arousing feelings of deveikut and yearnings for teshuva.
But it’s possible for a person to get high from a different source and mistake it for a spiritual high.Bakancisthekey
If listening to such a song is a form of serving a”z then people are not being “chumrah chasers” by saying that it is forbidden to listen to it.
The question here is if this song falls into that category.
“Once you admit that living in parts of Eretz Yisroel, such as in southern Lebanon, Ramallah or Jordan, are not safe, there’s no hashkafic reason to refrain from admitting that Australia and America is safer than Tel Aviv and Haifa.”
Hashem can protect you wherever in the world you are. I don’t think there is anyone who believes that if he is in Eretz Yisroel, then he is protected from danger. Hashem watches over you whether you are here or anywhere else.
However, Moshiach is coming any day and when it all goes down, I want to be here. Looking around, it is clear that we are very close. We live with luxuries far greater than even the wealthiest kings had for millennia. We have a/c, heating, unlimited water pumping into our homes, indoor bathrooms, and all the other modern conveniences that just make it seem like Hashem is gearing up for something great.
Maybe I’m nuts and really the world is just Teva and everything that’s going on in the world is an accident. I’m going on my beliefs and my belief tells me that Hashem is preparing Eretz Yisroel for Moshiach to come soon.
I live in Yerushalayim, right on the border with East Jerusalem. There’s an ever present risk here but isn’t anywhere in the world that’s safer than here. I won’t pretend like I don’t feel more anxious here than I do in the USA, but I do know that Israel has a shemira on it and I’m not any safer anywhere else.
A couple of years ago, during the knife intifada, I was talking to a secular Israeli. He asked me why I live here, being as it’s so dangerous. I told him that I feel like my neshama can only survive here. He told me that his brother lives in Houston because he thinks Israeli isn’t safe. I told him that if Hashem wants to get me, he can get me here or there. It’s not like God won’t find me in America. As if to prove my point, within that week, Hurricane Harvey hit Houston.
Whether he’s your icon or not, here’s a quote from none other than David Ben-Gurion. He said, “In Israel, in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles.” It seems like Ben-Gurion was a bigger maamin than some of the posters here.
“Would you recommend Yidden avoid living there (S. Lebanon, Ramallah, etc.) due to security precautions? If so, why wouldn’t you acknowledge comparative security considerations be considered for living in other parts of EY?”
There’s a concept of Shechichai Hazaika. If it’s a place that is considered dangerous then you can’t go in there and expect an open miracle. You don’t need an open miracle to live in Jerusalem. You likely would need an open miracle to spend a couple days in Ramallah.
Is that you, Alexandria?
This idea is so next-level dumb that it has to be adar humor.
“I don’t have the time to study 24 research papers. There is another site that says there are”
I knew you didn’t read the studies. I even asked if you read them and you didn’t answer. I knew you didn’t because I read the first one and it did not prove that vaccines cause autism. I assumed the first study that they would list would be the most convincing but it wasn’t convincing at all so I decided it was a waste of time reading the others.
So who is really the blind sheep, the vaxxers who both trust their doctors and actually read articles on the topic or the anti-vaxxers who only read titles?
Vaccines have formaldehyde???? Oh my goodness, are they trying to kill us?! While I’m at it, I think I’d better stay off of apples, bananas, grapes, plums, onions, carrots, beef, poultry and I think pears, because all of those also contain formaldehyde.
doomsday, the question is, did you read “24 published studies linking autism to vaccines.”
I so far read only the first article where it says that they are worried that vaccines might contribute to the increase in auto immune disease and the rise in autism coincides with the rise in vaccines and that rise should be investigated further.
However, if you continue reading the article it explains why we they do vaccines when they know that they are not 100% risk free. The article elaborates in detail the absolutely devastating effects of the illnesses that vaccines are meant to prevent. If we didn’t all vaccinate, you wouldn’t be safe not vaccinating.
The article then discusses autism again where it basically says that they have no clue what causes autism
“Doomsday: I post the Name of the person I am responding to and a quote. Learn To Read!
Interjection, Why do ProVaxxers keep Lying?”You’re the only one who does that. When most posters write a fellow poster’s title and then a colon (ie, doomsday:) they mean that they are replying to that person. I’m sorry I didn’t memorise everyone else posts and therefore didn’t realise that you were quoting them.
I’m also not sure why you couldn’t respond without saying that I’m a liar.Why does doomsday keep responding to his/herself?
“We might be able to influence some people on the fence.”
I agree. I think that the vocal anti-vaxxers will never change their mind. However, I’m assuming there are many silent readers who read these threads and every time an anti-vaxxer says something passionately, they assume it must be credible. Then when it is refuted, they see that the anti-vaxxer’s claims were inaccurate. Three years ago, I was that person. I would see hear comments from friends and read about it and I was unsure what to think. That was what inspired me to start researching on my own.
“I want to share my inner thoughts on vaccine politics, a very heated topic these days in our community.”
-Only anti-vaxxers think it is political.“the animosity toward us, is unfathomable.”
-Because anti-vaxxers know that other people may die for their decision but they still won’t budge.“Yes I understand you pro vaxxers strongly believe in vaccines, and their safety and effectiveness.”
-because it’s been tested extensively.“You don’t fear live viruses, in vaccines, as well as additives and human and animal cells and DNA….”
-I do fear those things. I am only willing to vaccinate my kids because they have proven, through extensive studies, that it is safe.“You trust that the vaccine industry is working hard to protect you and keep you healthy. You trust that they are honest and expose all the truths, never hiding facts that may be important for you to know to help formulate your decision. I understand that fear is something you want to avoid at all costs. So if the government and vaccine producers can limit your fear of disease, and assure your well being, you will choose to follow their advice, innovations and promises.”
-I don’t trust anyone. I don’t trust the vaccine industry nor the government and I definitely don’t trust the anti-vaxxing arguments especially since every single one has been refuted. It comes down to whom should I rely on. Someone is lying. The liars are either 1) the vast majority of doctors, plus the government, plus the vast majority of scientists, plus the vast majority of rabbanim, plus the vast majority of journalists, or 2) a small percentage of doctors plus a tiny percentage of scientists, plus 1-2 rabbanim, plus a few journalists who also think the mossad masterminded 9/11“I believe all you parents who go to the doctor to vaccinate have the best intentions in mind, and of course you don’t take your doctor’s word with certainty when he says vaccines are very safe, safer than the disease. I believe you take the time to read disease facts. I believe you have the courage to ask your doctor to show you the vaccine package insert, so you can read the adverse side effects related to the vaccine your child is about to receive. I believe your doctor is honest and lawfully hands that to you, the consumer. I believe you read it….I believe you discuss your concerns and take the time to make a conscious choice to allow your doctor to administer the vaccine to you dear child. You are a truly responsible and caring parent who takes the time to educate yourself before allowing the doctor to administer the vaccine. I applaud you for making the choice that’s right for you and your child. You don’t blindly trust the doctor or government”
-I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but yes that is all true.“government, who do care about your health, but should ethically never impose on you any health procedure or treatment.”
-I don’t know if that’s true. As an extreme example, if a person has a severe bout of psychosis and they think they need to kill someone, I would hope that he would be sedated or treated even against his will.“I do fear vaccine components that are known to cross the blood brain barrier, such as aluminum.”
I fear aluminum which is why I don’t use it whenever possible. I use natural deodorant and I line my pans with parchment paper.“I fear inflammation of the gut and brain.”
-I fear those too which is why I vaccinate my kids against diseases that cause those things.“I also doubt the vaccine industries intentions.”
-I don’t care about their intentions. I’m sure they have some intentions that are noble, such as to eradicate disease and other intentions that are selfish, such as to make money. However, I’m sure alternative practitioners also have both good intentions.“Perhaps they’re not sharing with us the full picture. Perhaps not all the facts are exposed to the average consumer, or government agencies or health journals, and the media.”
-Assuming vaccines are all a hoax, I honestly don’t know how they could pull this off in the massive way that they are doing. Not everyone can be bought off with money.“I’m aware that when disease strikes, I or my kids may be sick for a week or two, but will get over it with Hashems help.”
-That’s really nice to do that to your kids. You do know that encephalitis which comes from the measles can occur 6-10 years after the patient has already overcome measles.I believe our body was designed with an immune system so that it can deal with illness and then gain lifelong immunity. You fear disease. I fear vaccines.”
-I fear both. I choose vaccines because I would never want to put my child through suffering that could have been prevented very easily.“You trust the government with certainty.”
-I don’t. I just trust them more than I trust conspiracy theorists.“I trust Hashem – my body’s designer with certainty.”
-I trust Hashem too which is why I think that if I’m doing my hishtadlus to prevent these diseases, then Hashem will protect me. Hashem knows how much information I have access to and He knows that my only desire is to protect my family from harm and I believe that when I do vaccinate, it is a shemira against illness and I believe that Hashem sees that I am doing my best. When I do vaccinate, I daven that we shouldn’t have adverse reactions and that we should be protected from the diseases.
I think the claim that anti-vaxxers trust Hashem more than vaxxers, is very insulting.“Can you please understand that there’s another opinion out there by descent, well intentioned human beings?”
-I’m not why this boils down to opinion. It’s not political. Anti-vax think they can do something, knowing that it may (obviously not definitely) kill the immune deficient. Measles is not dangerous to people whose health is optimum. The problem is that not everyone else’s health is optimum and those people cannot vaccinate, through no choice of their own. When a person carries the measles, they risk transferring it over to the people to whom these diseases are life-threatening.“Can you understand that we never entered an agreement that I, who oppose vaccines will get vaccinated, to help protect you?”
-That’s fine but I hope you can then understand why others find that attitude to be extremely selfish and even despicable.“I also did research. I do think I’m a responsible adult and parent.”
-I also did and I feel the same way.“I ask you to stop with the hatred and cynicism that’s driving us further apart as humans on this planet, and as people of one nation.”
-Habah lehargecha, hashkem lehargo. Not that I think that pasuk is completely appropriate in this situation, but it does explain that you don’t have to love another Jew when his belief can kill you.“Our creator has given us bechira.”
-Bechira does not mean that all options are right. A person can kill, serve avodah zara and commit adultery because they have bechira. However all those things are forbidden and the violater will be punished.“As true Torah Jews you should not want this freedom to be taken from anyone. For if you fight and scream for this choice to be taken away from others you may one day discover that a choice you hold dear is being taken away from you.”
-There are many laws that restrict our freedoms in some way or another. This should be another one.“Do you want to set the stage for forceful laws and regulations regarding your health or religion to be imposed on you?”
-No, but I don’t think vaccines fall into that category.“Or basic human rights to be taken away from you???”
-It should not be a basic human right to be able to infect others with a dangerous illness.Final thoughts:
Anti-vaxxers think that the diseases that vaccines are meant to prevent are not dangerous diseases. They think that vaccines are dangerous. They also think that everyone is being paid off by Big Pharma. These arguments have been refuted myriad times by many educated and qualified professionals. However, they will not budge. Therefore, I think that this was all a waste of my time.“Wakefield’s study is far from the only reason people choose not to vaccinate.”
Most of the reason that people choose not to vaccinate is because they believe that Big Pharma is paying off everyone to promote the deadly vaccine. They believe that everyone is corrupted by greed and only the anti-vaxxers have integrity. They believe that anti-vaxxers are selfless because they could become super rich if they promoted vaccines. They believe the ones promoting anti-vax have given up on jobs of prestige and wealth for the sake of promoting the truth, against their own self interest as it has only harmed them financially.
The truth is that many of the ones promoting it (and I am not referring to parents, rather to the practitioners) have earned a greater fortune for spewing their lies and fabricated studies, than they ever would have earned if they had remained an honest doctor. That is why Wakefield is relevant.
“She is a double board certified MD after all, and has spent the last decade researching vaccines. Left her job, all the $ and prestige to pursue the truth.”
She sounds like such a noble selfless person. I am inspired. </sarcasm>
She became a lot more famous and gained a cult like following only after leaving her job and becoming an (uncertified) homeopath.
I would find it very hard to believe that she earned more per year when she was a nephrologist than what she’s earning now with her speaking tours and as one of the leaders of the anti vax movement.
“I was told by someone involved in programming YWN that many votes for the poll were submitted over all hours of shabbos.”
Believe it or not, there are people from all over the world who go on YWN. There are secular Jews and even non-Jews who go on YWN but it’s still very likely that many of the votes were from Jews in some other corner of the earth.
It’s not an accurate poll because every time you come on yeshivaworld, you can vote. At least on the app, every time I go on it lets me vote again. People in both groups could be voting 1 time, 10 times or 100 times.