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This is what happens when you dont proofread.
I just realize a major mistake in my post.
I wrote, “Originally the government told us 14 days to overcome covid-19.”
That was incorrect. The slogan was, “14 days to flatten the curve”. No one would have agreed to stay home if they thought it might be for more than 2 weeks. Sometime later, after the government kept extending the lockdowns, they stopped talking about flattening the curve and instead spoke about saving all lives.
When people realized that everything would be closed indefinitely, many people got angry and started protesting that they want to be able to open their business. They were called murderers by the media and the government and the restrictions were tightened.
Then, people started protesting for social justice and the government and media praised them to the heavens for their bravery in raising awareness to these causes. Even Fauci agreed with them.
Like it or not, the reasons I stated are the reasons that people on the right feel that the left is betraying them. They think we forgot the original intention of the lockdowns.They think we dont realize the hypocrisy in allowing people to protest social justice but forbidding protests for not being allowed to work.
“When were we ever actually told 2% of the population would die? Can you point me in the direction of a credible source for that?”
The Washington Post wrote an article around April titled, “is the coronavirus as deadly as they say” and they wrote that we had previously thought that 2 million would die.
The University of Washington posted an article around the same time titled, “staggering death rate in US among those who show symptoms”, where they stated that 1.2 million would die without drastic measures.
Reuters also had an article around the same time where they stated that 2 million would die without lockdowns.
Originally the government told us 14 days to overcome covid-19. Then they added on a week. Then another. Then indefinitely. Then until July. Then until October 31. Now until 2022.
This paragraph is my OPINION, so read at your own risk. 170,000 is actually over 1 million saved so in that case trump did an amazing job. 6 people died in NY yesterday from covid, which is probably less than the number of people who died in accidents and we are not banning highways. The battle seems to be over and we can completely reopen without threats of us being mass murderers.
“Whatever your politics it is an undeniably momentous and meaningful occasion that an African American woman is on the national ticket; this is a hopefully a positive step for our country.”
She is in no way African American. She is a descendant of Indians and jamaicans.
“2% mortality rate of COVID cases. Not 2% of the population. So the more transmission of the virus was suppressed, via lockdowns, social distancing measures etc, the less deaths.”
The media and government told us that without lockdowns, almost everyone would get it and it would lead to well upwards of 3-4 million deaths. They kept saying over and over, Nancy Pelosi specifically comes to mind, that there would be at least 3-4 million deaths if we dont do a shutdown.
The lockdowns, social distancing measures, etc. saved millions of lives, which is a good thing.
But why is the USA (which has one of the biggest populations in the world) comparing itself to every tiny country. Rather we should be judging it on a state by state basis. Or, if the USA is one country, then so is all of Europe.
Also, we know that China, Iran and possibly Russia among other countries, are massively downplaying their numbers.
“You can’t white wash 170,000 people dead.”
Every single dead person is a sad thing and a tragedy for their nuclear unit.
However, when the country was shut down (really most of the world) we were told to expect about a 2 percent death rate. Two percent of about 330 million is almost 7 million.
Which WAPO? The WAPO that called a terrorist leader, “an austere scholar”? I trust the WAPO to tell me the weather, and that’s it.
The most interesting part of this whole conversation, and all similar ones, is that many people view their political party in complete black or white. Meaning, that everything negative that happens is the fault of the other party or at least that their party doesn’t deserve blame for it. On the other hand, everything positive that happened is directly as a result of the actions of their favorite political party, or that it occured despite the actions of the other party.
I’m a trump supporter but I still agree that he made some bad decisions.
They were allowed to do business with China and Russia, both of whom we cannot trust.
“The second part, besides making my pulse quicken, is also sad. This distortion seems to be so present in a certain demographic, as expected, but im finding too many of them who 10 years later can’t seem to let go. It breaks my heart really.”
I think the word that threw you off was when I referred to well paying jobs as proper careers. I was tired and I couldn’t think of the right way to say it. It was a poor word choice.
Anonymous jew,
The reason the full price of tuition is so high is to allow for tuition breaks for those who need it. The government can pay the same amount for every single child so it averages out to a lower number.
The question of whether staff in Jewish schools deserve more is easy to describe but complicated to solve. Parents hopefully recognize that if they want private education then it comes with a high price tag, while staff should know that if their institution discourages their students from getting proper careers, then they hopefully recognize that down the line those students will not be able to afford full tuition.
“When people figured out the Dems could be guilted into giving them money”
I think you mean that the Dems could be guilted into giving them other people’s money. Yours and mine.
Som1,
I just used that example because it’s an extremely common sin that unfortunately we are all guilty of and many of us barely care enough to work on it, but that Hashem despises it.
I didnt mean to suggest anything about the OP.Syag lachochma,
I didnt mean that doing any sin is ever okay. I’m just questioning if the disgust towards it is leshem shamayim or rather preference. Besides, if the person isn’t asking me for a heter, then why is it my business?
Hashem also despises someone who speaks lashon hara.
Do you feel this strongly towards someone who speaks lashon hara?Say what?
I dont know a single person who isn’t horrified by what happened to Floyd.
People can be upset and afraid to see the country descend into chaos and also be upset by how he was treated
If you don’t exist, then what?
Some anti vaxxers believe the following:
Bill gates has spoken many times about overpopulation being the biggest risk the world has ever faced and he has allegedly spoken about using a vaccine to deal with the problem of overpopulation.“while their husbands are being “moser nefesh” for Torah”
Who said they think they are being moser nefesh? If their parents are happy to support then what’s the problem? If their parents are not happy about it then they should speak up.
“Although kosher phones are important blah blah blah, they are also rather overpriced and may be out of range for many people (except in Israel where they are dirt cheap)”
The phones themselves cost about $100. I wouldn’t call that dirt cheap. The service is only $10-20 per month but if you have 5 kids who need phones, that’s $600 per month and you still have to pay tuition
“12.Important message re lockdown: in the voice of local rabonim, “even though we see clear signs of Moshiach approaching! Please don’t have milchemes gog umogug at home!”
Lol
“Coronavirus also is anticipated to become a seasonal virus.”
No it’s not. It’s wracking havoc in the southern hemisphere. Warm weather is not slowing it down
Ben Shapiro recently featured a girl on tiktok who is, presumably, going to get her 2nd abortion and she is dancing and thinks it’s a party. Seeing her reaction to getting the abortion is creepy at best.
Many pregnancies before 40 weeks can be ended with a pill and dont need an actual procedure.
You would think that when creating the laws prohibiting abortions, the lawmakers would put in exceptions that would make it legal in extenuating circumstances.
The reason “no-questions-asked abortion” was made legal is not because its racist to make it illegal given that rich people will do it anyway (yes, the claim was made that it is a racist law.) The reason it was made legal is because ‘women are emancipated and empowered and dont need to be tied down anymore’. Its because the feminist movement is actually anti femininity and anti humanity. They’re not thinking about the few cases where a life may be in danger (whether because of a physical issue or mental one). They want abortion available, no questions asked because since men can be pigs by st as rting a pregnancy and then walking away, they think women should be offered the same freedom. If our elected officials had any guts, they would stand up to the lobbyists and make a law that protects life and morality while it makes exceptions for those that need it.
A few points about 6 year olds.
If they see one kid has something then in their head, it can be the whole class.
Your kid doesn’t need a phone until the school says he needs one.
If my kid were going home on the school bus, I would give my kid a phone even though shes only 6. I would even give my 3 year old a phone if he was going home on the school bus. But that’s just because I’m neurotic and not something you should do if you dont want to.
“I mean that you already know who won the Electors for my home state, NY in 2020.
voting in an election where the outcome is known is pointless.”If all the pointless voters would have voted anyway, it’s possible Hillary would’ve also lost the popular vote. Or not. Not that it actually makes a difference but people feel it does.
I dont know what chip is but snap only removed people who were ages 18-45 WITHOUT dependents. Therefore minors were not removed from the program even if AOC says that she would’ve starved as a child under these new laws.
When parents come over the border illegally with their parents, the government needs to verify that those kids actually belong to those parents. There are unfortunately a high number of children who are human trafficking victims.
It is sad that children are separated from their parents but these parents are criminals because they broke the law by coming into our country illegally. I can imagine that it was an extremely difficult decision to make and they might have felt that they didn’t have a choice to come in legally but they did break the law by not applying normally for citizenship so now the government has to work backwards to find out who these people are and where can we put them. Remember, these people have no money, options for employment, nor place to live.
“in what way do you feel that your daughter having Left Wing Modox machtonim is a form of being treated like cattle????”
I didn’t see anything in pulease’s comments implying that she (I’m assuming female but you can correct me ) was referring to MO. You asked if she would allow her child to turn down a shidduch of someone who is of a DIFFERENT hashkafa than her own.
By the time a child is ready to get married, if parents think they can forbid their child from marrying who they wish, then the parents are the ones who need a wakeup call. At that stage parents can guide and recommend but their child is a grown up and will ultimately make their own decision.
Personally, I believe that someone who is only comfortable with people of their own type, meaning people they are used to, will not be compatible with someone from a different background. They will not be able to relate to them and therefore they are not a good shidduch.
If someone doesn’t feel compatible to marry someone else, it doesn’t mean that they dont like them or that they think they are better. It ONLY means that they are not compatible to marry them. Marriage is a huge decision and no one should choose a marriage partner whom they do not understand nor someone whom they feel will not understand them.
That being said, I am from a very yeshivish family and my in laws are MO. I would not recommend the same for some of my other siblings. The fact that I was able to blend in and feel comfortable around my in laws doesn’t mean that anyone else is wrong for not feeling as comfortable making such a choice.
“I love the irony about how frum communities are so aggressively socialist on the state level, but turn into rabid capitalists once things go national.”
I agree with you.
I don’t think the Frum community needs any government programs. With lower taxes and less government programs, our community would step up and fill in the gaps. More of our income would be spent on yeshiva and kollels and less money on planned parenthood.“how is Yang a socialist? Because he is a democrat?”
Why is your gut reaction to assume hes not a socialist? Is it because he’s a Democrat?
Have you followed him at all? Learned about his policies? Gone on his website?
His entire platform is socialism. He calls it capitalism but if you go on his website, he quotes karl Marx in order to say something along the lines of ‘although this sounds similar, it’s very different and much better’. Then he goes on to describe his policies which are in part inspired by socialism and in part simply humorous.
Among the ridiculous things he says, “the economy should be judged by absence of substance abuse, mental health and life expectancy”.
His “human capitalism” policy is based on the belief that “humans are more important than money” but he plans to carry that out by taking away money from business owners and distributing it to everyone else whether or not they are working. He also plans to penalize people who have earned too much by making it illegal for them to get other forms of work.
He is campaigning to allow every American to afford a high standard of living but he plans to do so by punishing big corporations for making decisions to improve their bottom line, while taxing everyone else to oblivion.
He says his policies will get rid of student debt, allow Americans to afford anything they desire, and ensure that big companies cant earn a profit on necessities if it means those necessities will be too expensive.
If you read his website, each idea is more disastrous than the next and will destroy this country.
I was the one who used the words “despicable mannerisms” so I’m assuming that you’re at least partially referring to me.
I didn’t vote in the past presidential election because I couldn’t choose who was worse.
For the coming election, I would vote for trump out of hakaras hatov for what he has done for Israel and rubashkin but I would do so holding my nose because he is a jerk. Furthermore, his policies seem more likely to improve my life whereas the Democrats policies are not in my best interests. Also, what kluger said about being PC and the left trying to take away our free speech for the sake of grown up babies, shows that the Democrats are bullying you and me.
As terrible as trump’s attitude is, I dont believe that the democratic party holds the higher moral ground.
Trump is an “in your face” bully while the Democrats tactic is a classier (aka sleazier) form of bullying.
Most of the candidates they’ve put forth in the past decade are from minority groups, which you’d never notice if not for the fact that they use it as a banner that if anyone dares to disapprove of them, they can then attack their character. Remember when everyone who disagreed with Obama was called racist? Remember when anyone who didn’t vote for Hillary was sexist and even the women who didn’t vote for her were labeled as weak, naive and brainwashed?
Now in this race we have Warren who has already (probably untruthfully or we would still be hearing about it) brought up gender as if the reason she cant win is because society hates women. She also thinks shes going to tax billionaires out of existence and her jealous, dumb fanclub thinks that she’ll be able to make them rich in return. She also is trying to convince the American people that if you keep spending other people’s money, then you’ll never run out of money. In other words, her platform is built on the premise that you are both greedy Nd an idiot.
Then we have the gay guy whom we obviously cant disagree with lest we be called a homophobe.
We have Sanders and yang who are socialists which is a movement based on the premise that we are all too dumb to know how to run our lives so we should give away all our freedoms to the brilliant minds of our government and then we shall never have to suffer ever again. I don’t know about you, but to me that attitude is the worst of them all.
Then we have Biden, who only has a chance because he served with the savior and wondrous Obama.
Last, we have Klobucher, who actually seems to have morals and seems like a decent person (although I dislike her views on Israel) but she doesn’t have a chance because shes not a jerk.
We also have the billionaires but they have even less of a chance than klobucher.
I will vote for the candidate whose policies are most beneficial to my life.
I really could not care less what their morals are. I send my kids to Jewish day schools to learn about middos and when they are old enough, I will teach them that politics are dirty and we shouldn’t be learning middos from our politicians.
I resent the implication that Republicans are bad because all we can bring forth is trump with his atrocious mannerisms…. as if Democrats can bring forth anyone better.
Let’s see,
Warren is a bigger liar and has terrible ideas on everything.
Sanders is a socialist.
Biden sold out the security of the US and the world with Iran. He also has said questionable things about children but it could just be his awkward personality (which is not necessarily a sin).
Buttigieg is pro infanticide.
Yang plans to bankrupt the economy.
Klobucher is actually the best of the bunch but because she’s not terrible, she can’t get enough support.It’s one of those things that you really have to work hard to see but once you find it then you cant unsee it.
It’s a bit of a stretch to say that it’s Moses.Even if you dont follow sports, many frum people do.
Even if you dont follow sports, you probably heard of Kobe Bryant.
It is a tragedy of a famous person. It is sad when non Jews die and there is some message that we are supposed to take from it. The fact that he was famous for his God-given talents, makes it more impactful than if he wasn’t as well known.
We are all creations of Hashem and Hashem loves all His creations.
It should make you sad that he died in a tragic way along with his young daughter.Soleimani was the brains behind all of Iran’s terror and expansion in the Middle East. He was unafraid and he inspired his army to follow that attitude. It was his brazeness that left the world cowering in fear and what allowed Iran to have free reign in the region.
Now that he’s gone, their paragon of fearlessness and their mastermind is gone.The fact that they put $80million on Trump’s head, shows how much Trump is an impediment to their plans.
Whatever stopped them from attacking Israel before and attacking any other major American interests, will continue stopping them now. They know that Trump might not have moral qualms about flattening their country. Even if they don’t care all that much about the lives of their citizens, they do care very much about their own lives and they are not relishing receiving the same treatment asSoleimani. They are finally afraid, at least as long as Trump is in office.
You missed, do they give gelt or presents?
I think that if a woman is carrying around money or a credit card, that she has permission to use it. If she didn’t have permission then it means she stole it. Since we’re not supposed to needlessly be choshed a fellow yid, it’s safe to assume that she did not steal the money. If the husband tries to claim that his wife stole the money from him, I doubt they will be married much longer.
Many of the children snuck in are child traffic victims.
Sneaking into the US is extremely dangerous. They travel by foot for many days, sometimes even weeks, and pass through areas with dangerous terrain and a strong likelihood of being attacked by animals and criminals. Assuming these are the true parents, it is probably a huge relief to have temporary housing for 20 days, including beds, bathrooms, free food, and basic medical care. When it seems that the parents are absolutely incapable of caring for their children, the government places those children in foster care where they will be taken care of.
I’ve heard many in the media and politicians complain about how the process is done. I haven’t heard many of these immigrants claiming that they were abused. I did hear a mother cry about them taking away her still nursing baby but if she thought that crossing the Rio Grande with a nursing baby was a good idea, then probably her sense of judgment is a bit off.
If you thought that the internet could only be used for bad, then you wouldn’t have it either.
I’m assuming that you think it can be used for good as well as for bad things and you use it because it can be used for good and necessary things. I would also assume that the rebbe uses it only for good things.
I would further assume that you would have a positive outcome if you were to approach the rebbe respectfully, explaining that your son felt confused to see his rebbe check his smartphone during his learning time which he was taught should be sacred (even if it was during davening), and then to an the rebbe for his thoughts on it.
Totally maras ayin. Another good idea is to not allow any eggs in your house during the spring or people might think you celebrate Easter.
Maybe moisha’s should sell bubby carts, have a drive-by pickup or offer a delivery service. No one should be allowed to bring the carts more than halfway around the block or they will never be returned, and the magnetic locking wheels are worth the expense. If moisha’s sells bubby carts or offers a place where people can drive up to load up their cars, then the system should work.
It’s worth it to install the magnets because even if the customers try to be perfect about returning their carts, without the magnets, there is still a risk of them being stolen.
“What I am saying is what is so wrong with simply saying “my son learns in Israel” or “I just cam back from a trip to Israel”?”
I think many people do use eretz Yisrael or Israel interchangeably, depending on the context. I do and so do most people I know.
I don’t know why it offends you if people like calling it that. People will title many things by terms that feel more right to them. For example, when some people refer to their mother they’ll say “my mom” whereas others will say “my mother”. Its just a matter of preference. One may be more grammatical but in casual conversation, neither is actually better or worse.
“The thing is, Israel is an actual country in the world. Whether you agree with “Zionism” or not, it’s a country.”
The funny thing is that I am pretty zionist. I’m closer to being a Zionist than I am to being a chareidi. That being said, Israel isn’t the correct name either. I know Im not teaching you anything new but Israel is actually an English way of saying Yisrael which isn’t either the name of the country. The name of the country is Medinat Yisrael.
The Ultra Orthodox aren’t sending their kids to Israel because they want their kids to explore the world. If that were the reason, then any country would be fine. They send their kids to Israel because it is the land that God promised our forefathers and because when you travel the land, you are traveling the land of our people. The reason Israel is special is because it is eretz Yisrael. Even the secular Zionists know that eretz Yisrael is the land of our heritage.
“But I think Sephardic pronunciation is more correct thus frummer. Why is there an “o” sound? Makes no sense. Kamatz SOMETIMES makes o but not always. ”
I don’t call Mexico mekhicoh. It’s more correct but I also doubt you do.
Why do you guys refer to it as israel? Is it somehow less cool to just call it eretz yisrael?
The real purpose of sending your kids to eretz Yisrael for a year is because you’re sending them to eretz Yisrael for a year. Our people have only been able to dream for the past 2000 years that they would be able to come here and now you can give your child the chance of living here for close to one year. Every four amos is a mitzvah here and there’s no kotel or kever rochel just one bus ride away, no matter where you are in Brooklyn.
Yes, some of the boys and girls who come to Israel get into trouble. There’s no way to know that they wouldn’t get into the trouble if they stayed in the US but I understand that some parents are nervous. (Also, if some kids have it in their system, it could be good for them to get it out before they get married. )
There is much less materialism here. Even the people who are fancy here, can’t indulge as much as they would in the US. It’s nice for the kids to see that they can do with less and to see that people are willing to live with less in order to be here. It’s also beneficial to your children to see all different types of Jews and to spend time with other families and learn from them.
About girls specifically, the girls spend 12 years in school just learning for the sake of good grades and they are probably going to spend the first few years of marriage working like a dog so their husband’s can learn in kollel. The least they deserve is one year dedicated to their spiritual growth with all the hashkafa classes that their 12 years of BY didn’t offer them. Once they get married and have kids, there will be no time for trips so this is hopefully their last chance at exploring the world and eretz yisrael and at being able to enjoy themselves.
What about spices, condiments, oil, drinks other than soda (in some places tap water is barely drinkable if drinkable at all, fruits and veggies for salads, nuts and other snacks, dessert, spreads for challah, coffee, cereal, etc.
Some people calculated 1 egg per adult for breakfast but it’s not enough. We eat 2, plus 2 slices of toast, plus veggies and fruit. We make it ourselves but I’m assuming it comes out to over $5 per person per meal, which is 60 just for breakfast for the week just for the adults. And so on.
I can go on and on but we spend way more than 400 a week for a family of 4, if you’re including pantry staples. Maybe were just bigger eaters than you all.
I live in Israel so we have guests frequently for the meals and yeshiva boys can eat a lot!!
Our biggest expense is probably produce because its the only way to keep healthy without needing specialty items.
“I wish you were right.”
I said “here”, meaning the coffee room.
“the seat change request rather than to sit next to the same gender is instead to sit away from a cranky child, sit next to a family member seated elsewhere or to sit closer to the exit to quicker catch a connecting flight.”
I’ve requested at times to switch seats so that my family can sit together. Sometimes the person has agreed and there have been times that the person has refused. It is extremely upsetting when the person refuses to switch, but I have never, and I would never made them feel bad about it. I obviously have never made a scene about it.
I don’t think anyone here is offended by the request to switch, even if it is for religious reasons. I think that people get upset when religious people forget to have derech eretz when making these requests, and when they seem to be demanding rather than requesting.
I took a semester at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and one of my teachers explained the struggle the forefathers of the State had when were trying to come up with a name for the country. They realized that the name should resemble Eretz Yisrael because it is more or less in that region, but they couldn’t name it exactly that because it is not exactly the same borders. They felt that Medinat Yisrael was a good compromise.
I say you should tell because the taste and texture are not exactly the same and you don’t want them to think you botched up boiling a bag of pasta