Frummy,

The gap could have occurred in any of the 14 generations, i just used gen one as an example. Lets take this a step further, what if gen 1 was actually 100,000,000 (50,000,000 couples), it would now take 27 generations (or 540+ years) for everyone to multiply evenly (averaging), in order for the descendants of person A to catch up with the rest. A whole lot can happen in 540 years to widen the gap, which would delay the catching up process for hundreds of additional years. This is especially true if they isolated and avoided intermarriage. For example, the Jewish population Pre-WWII was only 16 million, less than 1% of the words 2.2 billion population. If you want to consider the various massive massacres throughout our history, it would also have to apply to the Yishmaelim, i’m sure they had their share.

Anyways, i’ll settle for 50%.

Thanks Frummy, nice talking to you!

Haifagirl, actually, “important” translated to “impotent” because of spell check. If you accidently miss the R of “important” (using Firefox) and aren’t careful with the mouse, you get “impotent”. I sincerely apologize for the hardship and difficulties you may have experienced.

Frummy, i agree that the 1 and the 10,000, aren’t multiplying separately, but, they also aren’t multiplying in the same rate. You have to increase the odds as you move into future generations. So if the immediate ratio of when A was born is 1:10000, the ratio of the next might be 2:20000. The odds remain the same.

Fummy, but the 10,000 among them SELF also increase drastically. Go ahead and do 1^2 and 10000^2. Keep going and see who outnumbers who.

HaLeiVi, do you mind linking to it (hebrewbooks)?

Thanks Popa!

Right, but, how does the body react to a 5AMish breakfast?

600, I agree that they aren’t recognized, but I strongly disagree about their intend. Some I already explain.

Popa, I still want to respond to your late erev YT post and I’ll do so when I have a few extra minutes. I want to make sure that I put things in proper prospective.

Yita, I’m sure Popa is greatly intelligent and I’ve not cv in any manor, way, shape or form intended to bash/insult him personal. Forgive me if appears like i did. Every single word I’ve written was to formulate a point. I’m not sure why you (and Popa) see my response off topic, maybe because I responded to his “Go away”, am i not allowed to ask why a difference in opinion calls for a “Go away”?

I’m signing off folks. Please forgive me if I unintentionally offended someone. Have a wonderful, meaningful Yom Tov.

Sam, if you believe that NK talking to Ahmadinejad makes him hate us more, then you must also believe that the Zionist actions creates jewsish hatred. If you dont think that the Zionist creates Jewish hatred (i.e they all hated us in the same way even before the state) then you cant believe that NK is effective.

“If logic shows that it should have an effect, it is still fine because in 20 years no arab stabbed a jew at one of their protests?”

Thats exactly my point, both evidence and logic shows that it has no effect. The logical part is, why would an Arab kill a Jew because some dude said he wants to be friends with the Arabs.

“It is scientific fact, because we can see that more people who smoke get cancer than people who don’t smoke”

What you’re describing is a sceintific theory. A sceintific theory is something that’s based on evidence (as you described). Smoking causing cancer is a sceintific fact involving one looking at the substance inside a cigarette, understanding exactly how the lungs are working and then see exactly how the cigarette smoke interfaces with the lungs.

Meeting with Ahmadinejad makes them insane. In their twisted mind they believe that if they meet this murderer it’ll be all good and eliminate the “hating Jews because of Zionist” factors. I disapproved all of NK’s action especially after they decided to sit in and listen to a holocaust denying propaganda speech, it made me sick to my stomach! They use bizarre and insane judgement. Ahmadinejad wont change his sick ideologies (in one way or another) because of these people, in short, their affect is Zero! Which means, they are non of these titles, including Moser, they are not.

However, deep behind their ridicules actions is a sad truth.

Ok? I rest my case. Shana Tova Popa, a Ksiva VeChasima Tovah!

They aren’t Judenrat either, that stand for a sad truth in a very idiotic, bizarre, ridicules, nutty, insane,unrealistic way. Yes, someone needs to talk some sense into them, but i fail to see how they are Kapos, or responsible for our blood or endanger our lives, if im wrong, please enlighten me.

Go read up on some of the comments and please explain to me the motivation for this hate, and by hate i mean HATE. It does not logically add up.

Popa,

Right off the bat, I need to stress that I value life very greatly. Life is precious and the tragedy of a life cut short by an act of evil is incomprehensible. My heart aches for every life lost. This is true for all of life, all of the 7 billion humans on the face of earth, but it becomes more bold when its closer to heart, such as the the man and women in the United Stated military who are out there defending my freedom and liberty, but its even closer to heart when its my brothers and sisters Achanu Bnai Yisroal in whichever corner of the universe they are.

Have you ever heard of the term Circular Reasoning or “begging the question”? its basically logical fallacy, the notion of the logic is false. You can’t prove something by using the very same thing you’re trying to disprove.

You and the others are trying very strongly to establish that the Zionist and the Arab Jewish hatred or Anti-semitism are not really related, because the hatred is no different than before the Jewish state, they just hate us because were jewish, it was always the same and will always be the same. You then turn around to say that the dynamic of the anti-semitism is changed because of a few silly NK people talking non-sense. You can’t do that, it defies logical reasoning. Besides for the fact that its circular reasoning, it is also illogical that a full blown state with a massive army to fend off Arabs doesnt change anti-semitism, yet a very very small group of people do.

Having said that, you still didn’t answer my question. Give me ONE terrorist act or evil murder that can be linked directly to the NK. All you said was that there’s potential to “lead” to danger. I mean after all, you align them to the Natzis, you use the worse of of the worse language (which im not sure is allowed Haluchadig but i dont wanna go there), clearly it cant just be a “potential”, all this Natzi talk just for a Potential??

You raise the Flotilla incident and how the IDF is at times forced to work with their hands tied behind their back. I once heard an analogy repeated from the Satmar rabbi. A person was once hosting a guest for the night. During the night while all were asleep, the guest started a fire. When the house was ablaze, the guest shouted FIRE, FIRE thereby “saying” the entire family. In the morning, the host said to someone “If not for my guest we could have all died”, the person replied “If not for your guest you wouldn’t have had a fire”. The Zionist created a fireball about 100 years ago, it was against the Torah and against logic (for the safety of Jews abroad), now we are all eating the fruits, now were busy putting out the fire they started and we need to thank them for “saving” us.

You equate the NK to the Natzis. I must say, you either a)dont know enough about the holocaust (which btw has the Zionist signature in many areas) or b)had your logic shut down by the force of hate. The amount of hate against NK is stunning all while its still factually true that the danger the Zionist has put all Klal Yisroal is REAL and a gazillion times worse than NK, especially when the NK danger is still in the Potential phase, plain stunning!

You wrote:

“Honest. No, there would not be the same outporing of hate against the zionists for shmading us. The same way we usually get more worked up about the holocaust than about the chanuka story which was just shmading us. We really should care about shmading more, but we are human”

Being human at its default settings means being flawed. Raise a child in a jungle and he/she will grow up an animal. Ones primary objective on earth is to learn and adopt on how to overcome the natural human flaws, and yes its a constant battle. Being human means gravitating to this Olam Hashaker (world of lies), which this world is (according to chazal and all Safurim). This world is a world of lies not only in relevance to the Olam Haemes (world of truth), but just on its own, its a fake and flawed world in which we need to adjust and fight to become better/true/pure. No one has to work to pull towards all the flawed things this world has to offer, its natural, its called “Being Human”. Any unbiased logical person who would read all the responses and hate against NK and then analyze it logically, would immediately see that it isn’t about our safety but rather purely agenda driven. The very fact that you and the others have this abnormal/outrageous driving force of hate tells a compelling story to the real reason behind this hate.

The true reason for this hate is conceptually the same as a polygraph (lie detector). The truth hurts! There’s an enormousness emotional and physical response when the truth is told. As I explained above, the NK hate does clearly not add up logically with the facts, which brings me back to my very first post “There’s a painful truth behind NK’s insane actions”