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laskern: I looked up Rabbi Ribiat’s sefer after posting this morning and found what you wrote in Rabbi Ribiat’s sefer (Vol 2 Page 558). He writes: “Although heating liquid to 110 degrees Fahrenheit (43.3 degrees Celsius) is Bishul this does not mean the bishul process was completed in the liquid. Heating the liquid further may still constitute the Melocho of Bishul. To be permitted to heat (or reheat) a liquid, it must have reached a minimum temperature of 160 degrees F / 71.1 degrees C while in a kli rishon.” I know that a poseik in my neighborhood does allow one to heat water on the blech late on erev shabbos as long as it reaches 160 by shkia.
Also which Waterbury video?
Which Al zeh?
1. Can I place a kettle of cold water on the hotplate during Shabbos? NO it it reaches a temperature of 110 degrees F (or 43 degrees C yad sokedes bo) according to R’ Moshe. That is considered cooking. Others are even more stringent and consider a lower temperature as “Yad soledes bo.
2. Can I place a kettle of cold water on the hotplate five minutes before the onset of Shabbos? This is an “it depends”. Five minutes before candle lighting means that it will warm up for 23 minutes before sundown (shkia). If it reaches 110 degrees F during that time it may be ok. However, you would not be allowed to pour off any water during these 23 minutes. Better to put it on with enough time to reach 110 degrees (or higher) before candle lighting. Or boil it on the stove before this time and put it on the hotplate 5 minutes before candle lighting so it will remain hot.
Rabbi Yoel Schonfeld (Mora Dasra of the Young Isreal of Kew Gardens Hills and Rabbinic coordinator for the OU) discussed this issue yesterday and was wondering if kitniyos were actually muktzah on Pesach for someone who does not eat kitniyos. He concluded that to him it is a question and he didn’t state a definitive answer.
Reb Shlomo Zalman Auerbach paskens that one should try to use separate utensils to cook kitniyos for a choleh. (Shomer Shabbos K’hilchasa 40:80). Based on this discussion among the CR poskim, why is that the suggested method?
Again, I trust the poseik who told me what he paskened over the posters in the CR. He did not advise to scoop out the corn. The corn was added intentionally, not by accident.
BT?W, for all those questioning the corn in the soup issue, please don’t overlook that things may not botul if they are B”EN, easily recognizable.
Avi K: I don’t as he was one of Rav Belsky’s personal assistants.
ubiquitin: I spok to a talmid of Rav Belsky who also held that pots in which kitniyos was cooked had to be kashered since since Rav Belsky held that kitniyos is a safeik chametz. As to the chicken soup case, obviously the poseik held it was not bitul bshishim based on the ingredients.
Mamele: A number of stores in Brooklyn sell the KFP vinegar for .99 for the 32 oz bottle.
That is what this posek told them to do. I heard it from the posek. I can only guess that he was machmir for “bliyos” of kitniyos.
The question is what is the status of the pot that kitniyos was cooked in? Many years ago I heard from a posek that a woman forgot that corn is kitniyos and added it to her chicken soup. When he was asked what to do he told them to freeze it to use after peasch (he didn’t say find a sefardi to eat it) and that the pot had to be kashered.
Ask your LOR.
mentsch1: The story behind Rav Pam making the potato kugel for shabbos was in response to a question from a talmid who helped his wife cook for shabbos. Another talmid said that he was overstepping into his wife’s role so he asked Rav Pam if his friend was correct. Rav Pam answered it’s possible; I can only tell you that all the years my wife worked in the public school system and came home late on Friday, I made the potato kugel for shabbos.
Avi K: While RH is a Yom Tov, it is also held for two days in EY, not because of Yom Tov Sheini Shel Golius but for a different reason having to do with not accepting the eidus of the two eidim after mincha (and the Korban Tamid Shel Bein HAa’arbaim). Therefore, since in most years Elul is chasser (29 days), people held the 30th day as RH, however, if eidem didn’t come before mincha they held both the 30th day and 31st day as RH (Yoma Arichta). See MB 601 SK 3.
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Gaon: I am not responding to the Original Post but to the Original Poster who named the thread.
Gaon: I am not comparing the chumra of gebrokts with Yom Tov Sheini. I am responding to the OP who named this thread. “minhagim-after-the-original-reason-is-gone”. Keeping Yom Tov Sheini today is based on Minhag Avoseinu B’yadeinu. We have a fixed calendar and know what day is Rosh Chodesh since Hillel’s beis din set the calendar. Therefore the reason behind why in those days they held two days was a true safeik. That reasoning is no longer applicable yet we still hold two days.
Avi K: It is not three days 4 times. Rosh Hashanah is two days for an entirely different reason. Only two days are Yom Tov.
GH: Please bring your source so I can look this up myself. I have never heard this explanation for maintaining Yom Tov Sheini when we have a fixed calendar.
GH: Then why do we have Yom Tov Sheini?
Are you saying that the Yechaveh Daas is arguing with the Mechaber who says Bimei Nissan?
Joseph: And just whose brand do you think tastes good? I know my friend has tasted both Chareidim and Shatzer and doesn’t like either and prefers his Machine matzah.
Recently the Dishu Mishna Berurah was learning the halchos of havdala. The question arose as to whether one looks at his fingernails in the candle before or after making the brocha. It is a mahlokes poskim. The Chazon Ish made the brocha first and then looked at his fingernails as that was the way it was done in his father’s house.
As my rosh yeshiva once told me “on taste and smell there isn’t any debate”. I prefer the hand matza I eat over box matza but I know others who think that only machine matzas taste good.
Depends on the hand matza bakery that produces the matza. I personally dislike matza;s from some bakeries and would prefer machine matzas over those.
I am not sure where laskern is but R’ Moshe Feinstein held that here in NY, since we emigrated from all over, everyone knows there are two minhagim and there is no problem of Lo Tisgodedu when davening in the same minyan during Chol Hamoed.
GH: You seem to always equate chassidsheh hecshseirim with the term “gold standard”. Maybe to you they are, but not to everyone else. I do not trust a product or establishment any more because it has both the OU and a chasidesheh hechsher. If it only had the OU I would still trust it.
Minhag Avoseinu B’yadeinu. Eample – Yom Tov Sheini Shel Galiyus.
Laskern, since a non-leap year has either 353, 354, or 355 days then within 365 days you have Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur twice which would be an extra 3 days. How would this be accounted for by the Sefer Haminhagim.
G613: i am not sure what you mean by a “chumra”. The Mechaber paskens it is assur and the Ramah says that one is chayiv to wear. However, many hold like the GRA and do not wear tefillin. I don’t know where the word chumra applies here.
Let the other person start the conversation. Then just respond accordingly.
I don’t know if anybody has the historical data to show what percentage of yidden ate the various types of matza. Personally, my family used Streits Machine Shmura for the Sedorim and 18 minute the rest of Pesach. Slowly, as my sisters and I learnt in yeshiva we were taught that many held hand shmura to be a hiddur and we started using that for the sedorim while still using machine matza. The big change for us was tasting whole wheat hand shmura matza. We liked the taste and found that it was better for our digestive systems. We then switched to only whole wheat hand shmura and have continued using it since. As I stated previously, my children know that machine matza is not chametz and many others eat it for pesach.
Laskern: Depends on how thick the matzos are. I use matzos that only have 6 matzos to a pound.
ZD: You either overstated the price of matza or understated rent/mortgage. One can buy matzos for ~$20 – $25 a lb. Even a large mishpacha would only spend between Between $400 – 600 for matza.
I am not one who enjoys “Purim Torah” making fun of accepted practices in yiddishkeit. That being said, there was never a prescribed way of doing things. The Mishna in Pesachim (4:1): מְקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לַעֲשׂוֹת מְלָאכָה בְּעַרְבֵי פְסָחִים עַד חֲצוֹת, עוֹשִׂין. מְקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ שֶׁלֹּא לַעֲשׂוֹת, אֵין עוֹשִׂין. הַהוֹלֵךְ מִמְּקוֹם שֶׁעוֹשִׂין לִמְקוֹם שֶׁאֵין עוֹשִׂין, אוֹ מִמְּקוֹם שֶׁאֵין עוֹשִׂין לִמְקוֹם שֶׁעוֹשִׂין, נוֹתְנִין עָלָיו חֻמְרֵי מָקוֹם שֶׁיָּצָא מִשָּׁם וְחֻמְרֵי מָקוֹם שֶׁהָלַךְ לְשָׁם. וְאַל יְשַׁנֶּה אָדָם, מִפְּנֵי הַמַּחֲלֹקֶת: So we see even from earlier generations we had different “minhagim”.
gaon: The SHA”T states that in the name of the Pri Chadash. The initial Shita is quoted from the Divrei Yosef. The OP seems to think that using Matza Smura Mishas Ketzira is something “new” when obviously it is not.
One does not have a chiyuv to eat matza except on thef irst night; after that if he wants to eat “bread” it has to be non-chametz. What I don’t understand is why it bothers the OP if I want to eat from matza that is Shmura Mishas Ketzira? I don’t know anyone forcing someone else to eat from this type of matza.
laskern: The Breur’s kehilla purchase Hadar 18 minute Matzos.
CTRebbe: You keep referring to this as a “super chumra”. I think you are confusing two issues. Many matzos are made from Shmura Mishas Ketzira (both hand and machine). Using hand made matzos is looked upon as a chumra (as I have taught my children it is a chumra)…….Shmura Mishas Ketzira is a “chatchila” not a chumra. Many individuals use Machine made Matzah Shmura (which is approximately 1/2 the price of hand made). And while I may be struggling financially, I cut back on certain chol hamoed entertainment to cover the cost of my matzah.
Interesting article on the Star-K website “FROM WHEATFIELD TO PESACH TABLE: STAR-K KOSHER CERTIFICATION TAKES YOU BEHIND THE SCENES AT MIGRASH FARM” about “Shmura Mishas Ketzirah”.
CTRebbe: You wrote – ” Strange that when he is mentioning that “Yisroel are holy people” he does not say anything about eating shmura from the time of harvest.” However, the Shaarei Teshuva in Siman 453 states outright YEISH NOHAGIN SHEKOL HAMATZA SHEHOICHEL B’PESACH TIHIYEH MEYCHITIM SHEHMURIM MISHAS KETZIRAH.
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laskern: It is more specifically for the pesukim….(13:9) טוְהָיָה֩ לְךָ֨ לְא֜וֹת עַל־יָֽדְךָ֗ וּלְזִכָּרוֹן֙ בֵּ֣ין עֵינֶ֔יךָ לְמַ֗עַן תִּֽהְיֶ֛ה תּוֹרַ֥ת יְהֹוָ֖ה בְּפִ֑יךָ כִּ֚י בְּיָ֣ד חֲזָקָ֔ה הוֹצִֽאֲךָ֥ יְהֹוָ֖ה מִמִּצְרָֽיִם:
and (13:16) וְהָיָ֤ה לְאוֹת֙ עַל־יָ֣דְכָ֔ה וּלְטֽוֹטָפֹ֖ת בֵּ֣ין עֵינֶ֑יךָ כִּ֚י בְּחֹ֣זֶק יָ֔ד הֽוֹצִיאָ֥נוּ יְהֹוָ֖ה מִמִּצְרָֽיִם:I think in the times of the Mechaber. (453:4)
Yes and no. We still do not buy many of the “new” foods that are produced for these 8 days. Do I really have to be fleishigs from breakfast on like my mother was as my grandmother fried the breakfast matza brei in shmaltz? I don’t think so. Yes, food wise, pesach is definitely easier then previous generations but many hold on to certain chumros (those who don’t eat garlic, or unpeeled fruit). While I do eat gebrokts I only use shmura matza and most gebrokts products are made from non-shmura matza.
Wolf: sorry, I misread your comment. I thought you were asking a question, not making a definitive statement. I too eat gebrokts.
Joseph: You are confusing the gebrokts story with the syory about the second rebbetizin not knowing his minhag not to eat cheese on erev shabbos and she made a milchigs kiddush on Shavuous for which he was matter neder so he could eat the cheese.
Wolf: His family minhag was and is to eat gebrokts. He personally did not as he one time did not want to eat in someone’s house and stated he did not eat gebrokts.
Both of these incidents are mentioned in the biography published by AttScroll.
In the past, they used to change the clock 6 months apart (last Sunday in April and last Sunday in October). It was a convenient way of reminding people to check the batteries once every 6 months.
My younger children – straw. Older generation – spoon.
I seem to recall that sefardi women do not makea brocha on a mitzvas asay shehazman grama.
We have made 3 shidduchim without ever asking to see a photo of the girl. If asked for a photo of my daughter my response would be to ask for a photo of the boy.
laskern: From what I recall the letter “shin” appears 4 times and “sin” twice. I am not sure what was actually lit up. Your pshat (which I found on aish dot com explains why Eli thought “shikora”; if a sin in Yissachor was lit why would he think it was a shin? I am not sure. I remember being taught this GRA by Rabbi Schwartz, the Mora d’asra of the Young Israel of Parkchester, during his Rosh Hashana drosha.
laskern: You wrote: “The GRA says that Eli misread the state of Chana from keshero to shikara”. I was taught that the GRA wrote that Eli misread KESARAH as shikora (meaning she was childless like Sarah). It would depend on whether it was the “shin” in Shimon or the “sin” in Yissochar was lit up. I also believe it is the Rambam who states that the cohain has to arrange the letters.