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To the mods: I made a great joke about the ambiguous phrasing of the opening poster’s comment, and you declined to print it.
And yet, I saw shocking comments about the Skver rebbe’s decision to endorse the Hillary candidacy (in the News section, about a week ago). Please, improve your sense of humor, and don’t be so squeamish about toeva couples who are not toeva.
My sense of humor and appropriateness of humor are separate issues. Also, we don’t work the news section.
Lost in all the discussion of Obamacare has been the mitzvah that we must be sure that all people have health care. Barack Hussein Obama tried (with a reasonable level of success) to fulfill this mitzvah, and he ought to get some credit for it from the frum among us.
One complaint by many Xtians is that many other Xtians celebrate Xmas in a non-religious way. Not our problem, just saying ….
To health: Last but definitely not least, you called me a Jew. Thank you. Second of all, I am not a Clinton lover. I voted for Bob Dole in 1996, and I think Hillary is a fake, phony fraud, but less so than the Donald. My nose is still sore from the holding I had to do when I voted for Hillary.
As for proof of Dopie Donnie’s ignorance: he thinks he can break the NATO treaty with impunity, and stiff America’s creditors the way he stiffed his own. And exactly how did he run up that billion dollar loss to “shelter” his taxes? Not by being smart. And 6 bankruptcies? And do you really think he’s worth the $10 billion he says he’s worth? He could easily prove it, with independent audits, but he refuses.
The time to criticize President-elect, or President, Trump, is when he does (or omits to do) something as president. That’s 2+ months away. And just to be clear, I think he is a fake, phony fraud, and ignorant beyond belief. And that’s his better (or should I say, least worst) qualities.
To Joseph: I am surprised that you seem to know the lyrics of that song. I never would have guessed you were … like that.
To Rebyidd23: I share your concern, but I don’t think a change of coiffure will solve the problem.
But he won, so let’s deal with it like responsible adults.
To Joseph: Re gentiles on Purim: Now you are being silly.
To Rebyidd: Giving in to vandalism might not be right. But being neighborly in a pluralistic nation that generally respects Jews is right.
The alternative is to give out a pamphlet explaining why, halachically, you cannot participate in a non-Jewish religious festival, which will confuse most trick-or-treaters because they are not aware of their participation in any religious festival. Have you thought of giving out chocolate-covered kreplach?
The Goq is right. “Schvartzer” (or “shvartzer”) has, regrettably, taken on a pejoritive meaning among Jews who speak primarily English. If you are an exclusively Yiddish speaker, like ubiquitin, the word can be used without its pejoritive sense. And, by the way, ubiquitin, you may speak in Yiddish, but you write – perhaps non-exclusively, in English.
Joseph and Goq gave the sensible answers.
To rebyidd23: Las Vegas is a city, not just gambling. And sewers are water, not just … well, never mind.
Reply to the falsehood of “It’s time for truth”: I said I could not imagine anything worse than the Holocaust, from which you concluded that I was concerned about my own death. The Holocaust was not about my death, or any single Jew’s death. The Holocaust was the attempted (and nearly successful) genocide of the Jewish people.
The answer to the opening poster’s question is, No. But we will probably have a chance to see for ourselves in less than 2 weeks.
And, thank you, ubiquitin, for posting some relevant facts.
To yehudayona: And I suppose its not oregano, or oragano, but origano.
There is a fundamental problem with the question presented. It fails to inquire about Jewish women participating in polygamous marriages. Now, oregamic marriages don’t have that problem. Any or all the spouses can do oregami, regardless of the other spouses’ wishes.
To takahmamash: The correct answer is “a balabatish shoe store.” So, yes, it is a trick question. And what neighborhood does the opening poster live in, that he needs help finding Shabbos shoes?
There are two basic ways to determine the “winner” of a presidential debate. One method is by following some set of debate rules, as they do in high-school and college debating societies, e.g., who cited the most facts, who marshalled the best arguments, et al. The other method is to look at the polls following the debates to see who is more likely to win the election. By that measure, there is one clear winner: Hillary.
Having said all that, I think CTLawyer has the best answer.
There is a lot I disagree with in the opening post, but I want to comment on only one allegation: that immigrants have diseases. When Eastern European Jews started arriving in the US in large numbers, at the end of the 19th Century, one of the leading arguments against them (and other immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe) among the anti-immigrant native Americans (a term which at that time referred to white Americans descended from English and Scots-Irish immigrants) was that they were riddled with disease. They were not. And a small number of them and their descendants went on to become leading researchers and Nobel laureates for their work fighting the diseases they did not have.
So learn a little history and get a better grip on your facts.
I prefer oragami to polygamy, and there are no halachic issues.
I knew a guy named Cheap Jim – never picked up a check.
I just noticed that there is a fine-print description under my screen name. Did I do that, or did the mods? It’s accurate – I actually wrote that in one of my posts – and I don’t mind if someone else applied it to me, but where did it come from?
Me. – Mod-100
Reply to Health: Hillary was an effective US senator and secretary of state. Those are accomplishments. The baloney about her responsibility for the deaths at Benghazi is, well, baloney. And her connection to the death of Vince Foster is nonsense.
I don’t like Hillary for a lot of reasons (mainly her arrogance and bad decisions about using her own e-mail server – which is irresponsible but not criminal), but Trump is incompetent, petulant, childish, and disgraceful. There are 2 and only 2 choices in this election, and Trump is by far the worse choice.
Reply to “It is time for …”: I have no idea what you are trying to say, except for your assertion that there are things worse than the Holocaust. Perhaps I am unimaginative, but I cannot think of anything worse.
In answer to the opening poster: With a 10-foot pole.
In answer to the opening poster’s question: Frum Jews who support Trump after hearing Trump describe his assaults on women within his grasp are, to steal a phrase, fake phony frauds. Maybe you have been fooled into thinking he is a great businessman (he’s not), or a tax expert (his accountant is, but he’s not), or just enormously smart (he’s not even close), but being so mistaken about those things does not make you reprehensible. But if you heard the tape of his descriptions of his own assaults on women, and still think he deserves the support of a frum Jew, you are egregiously wrong.
Joseph got it right. The rest of you are off on tangents.
As for disasters for the Jews: Hitler was a disaster. Hillary (and every other candidate for the US president in at least the last 50 years, with the exception for Dopie Donnie) is not even close.
To Health: Oh, yeah, I forgot the Clintons killed Vince Foster (who was not a journalist or opposition politician, so he does not count). But the investigators never found any evidence that the Clintons killed Vince Foster. So I guess that makes them smart.
To DaasYochid: Finally, someone understands me.
I have noticed the appearance of “communicated content” articles in YWN, but not in the excessive numbers the Opening Poster mentions. I would be curious to read a statement from the editors explaining how they select the “communicated content” that they post, even if the answer is, “If it feels right, we post it.”
Re Ben Levi’s typo: Great typo, the “roght” of his (Boehner’s) party, if you pronounce “roght” as “rot.”
To Health: I already consider the Clintons worse than Obama, so they do not have to kill anybody. And as far as I know, they have not done so. The harder question would be, how many journalists and opposition politicians would the Clintons have to kill before I would vote for Trump over Hillary? I won’t think about that question until I have to, i.e., until Bill or Hill kills someone. And in about a month, the question will become moot.
No.
To a talmud haborei: Ok, I’ll be a yenta.
I am not a doctor, not a nutritionist, but I once heard a doctor say 4 ounces of whiskey, or equivalent amounts of wine or beer, are advisable for men over 40, once a day, 7 days a week. And I know someone who followed that advice, was a heavy smoker, and died in his 80’s of a non-cardio-vascular illness. So I guess that proves it. Joseph, have another glass of wine.
To cherrybomb: “Hutu” is an ethnic group that lives in Ruwanda and Burundi and fought a ghastly civil war against the Tutsis 10 or 20 years ago. The weapon of choice was the machete.
As for Hillary, just to be clear, I think she is a creep, but she is so much more qualified than the utterly unqualified Trump that I have no trouble supporting her candidacy. Politically, I am slightly to the right of Bernie Sanders. I expect her to be a disappointing president, because she has very weak core beliefs, but she will not be the unmitigated disaster that Trump would be. And she might even surprise me. In the Senate, she got a lot of credit for working with Republicans. Maybe she is what we need, a ready-to-compromise politician whom Congressional Republicans might be willing to talk to. Through no fault of his own, the Republicans in Congress utterly refused to deal with the first black president. It got them and the country no where. Maybe they will talk (probably talk down) to the white girl, but, to her credit, she can handle that.
To Meno: I did not make up the word “massagenist.” I hear it all the time when people talk about Donald Trump. Please clarify your explanation.
Re Utah’s first comment: A goy’s having Jewish grandchildren says nothing about the goyish grandparent, other than that he or she probably acquiesed in his son’s choice of a Jewish wife.
As for Trump’s charitable giving, what little we know about it is that (i) he has not contributed to the charitable foundation bearing his name for 8 years, (ii) he did not pay up on funds he raised for veterans until the liberal media pointed out that he had not made the promised payment 3 months after it was promised (he did subsequently pay up, under the spotlight), (iii) he has not released his tax returns, which would give us a precise measure of his charitable giving, and (iv) he used charitable foundation funds under his control to pay a settlement for one of his businesses.
As for his support of Israel, plenty of rashas (e.g., Madoff) support Israel. It’s the first thing they bring up at the sentencing hearings to show why they should get a light sentence.
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Can someone explain the difference between a masseuse and a massagenist?
This is a question for doctors and nutritionists, and what’s right for one person is not right for someone else. So all of us Coffee Roomers (a/k/a yentas) should shut up. Let me be the first.
I think it goes back to Rambam, but I forget why.
To Cherrybim: Why insult your garbageman?
To yehudayona: Sorry I missed your suggestion to seek union help.
To dovrosenbaum: Who said anything about sending kids to “government schools”? All I said was that they offer attractive employment opportunities to frum teachers, more attractive – materially, at least – than offered by frum schools. As for your slur on “liberal, communist-infected government schools”, you could have added a dig at “all” the frum teachers and administrators who don’t care about the “goyishe kids”. And among anti-Semites, the proof of communist infestation of schools is all the Jewish (frum and other) teachers and administrators. You seem thoroughly confused.
dovrosenbaum writes: “Something tells me that a frum teacher just doesn’t care about goyishe kids ….” This is a shameless and disgraceful smear against any and all frum public school teachers, of which there are many, including members of my family. And 100 years ago, it might have been the majority opinion of the principals and administrators who ran the public schools, who used this belief as a reason not to hire frum (or other Jewish) teachers. Fortunately for some of my ancestors, your view did not prevail, and they became successful (and beloved) teachers and principals, for Jews and goyishe kids alike. In fact, you might have benefited from a year with my aunt or cousin.
To dovrosenbaum: Hashem must have blessed you with an extraordinary parnassah. Frum teachers who teach in public schools make much more money, and have overall better working conditions, than teachers in frum schools. I wonder why teachers in frum schools do not seek employment in public schools.
Why has no one suggested contacting someone in the teachers’ union, if in fact there is a union representing teachers in the relevant district? Days off come from unions and collective bargaining.
And for those of you who think days off come from Hashem, consider why the first known days off in the US were Sundays.
To “donaldtrump”: As I noted above, the US already had a president who was sick all the time and lied about it, and he led us through World War II.
To dovrosenbaum: I have no idea how high (or low) my IQ is, and no interest in knowing what it is.
Did I graduate from an Ivy League school like Mr. Trump? It depends on what you mean by “like Mr. Trump.” Neither I nor my family had the money that the Trump family had, and so I just graduated by doing the work and taking the exams and passing them (sometimes with A’s, sometimes with lower grades). I don’t know about how Donald graduated an Ivy League college, but I do know that for the right price, anyone can graduate an Ivy League college (e.g., George W. Bush). Trump did say that he was first in his class, which is as true as his assertion about President Obama’s Kenyan birthplace. Why does Trump not release his college transcripts? Are they being audited like his recent tax returns. (Actually, there is a good reason why Trump should not release his college transcript – it is 700 years old, not relevant to his current run for president, and he’s said enough to make it clear that however smart he was in 1968, he’s gone downhill since then.)
And just to be clear, no I did not attend or graduate from an Ivy League college.
To adocs: I would like to discuss question. There are a number of possible answers, none of which would be uttered by most Coffee Room participants:
One possible answer: Obama is not anti-Israel. No one in the Coffee Room likes that answer because it runs counter to their strongly held, and substantially unfounded, dislike of Mr. Obama. Many Coffee Room folks do not understand that Obama’s overtures to anti-Israeli governments in the Middle East were not driven by hatred of Israel but by Obama’s recognition that the surest way to lasting peace for Israel is for its neighbors to accept Israel’s right to exist and to direct their attention to the weaknesses in their own societies rather than scapegoating Israel for the problems indigenous to the Arab nations.
Another possible answer, favored by anti-Semites: “Jewish control” of US foreign policy is so strong that not even a president who hates Israel can resist the “Jewish power” to force the US to support Israel.
The reason I like best: President Obama is smart, likes Israel and Jews, and knows that Israel is an important beachhead in the Middle East to resist the Wahabism of Saudi Arabia, the extremist Islamism of Iran, and the indifference of US oil interests in the region to anything that threatens the flow of oil and US oil company profits. Of course, I am a liberal and Democrat, so lots of Coffee Roomers don’t trust me, or understand me.
In answer to Joseph’s question: Maybe South Carolina, definitely a Trump rally. And just for the record, I don’t like the term “white trash.”
One of the differences between Reagan and Trump is that if Trump gets Alzheimers near the end of his term, his IQ will go up.