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The time for “Put Up or Shut Up” is past. Now, Trump supporters, just Shut Up.
How far is too far? My office is on the 17th floor. When the elevator is out of order, it is too far to use the stairs.
To Old Crow Hearts: Assuming you are technically correct, i.e., that there is no president-elect until all states formally certify their election results, would you bet that when the states do so certify, Trump will be the president-elect? If so, please call me at 1-800-STOOPID.
Re huju’s estimate of English speakers in India: I checked, and he is wrong. India has about 125 million English speakers, out of a population of about of more than a billion people.
To charlieha the second: I think India has a bigger population of English speakers than the US, but I am not sure.
A few guys on talk radio think they run the world. Other talk radio guys think they have a direct line to Hashem, or His/Her son.
There are plenty of anti-Trump Republicans and conservatives, e.g., William Kristol, Bret Stephens, the Republicans who run The Lincoln Project. It is not enough for a politician’s views to align with yours. He/She must also be competent, educated, experienced in governing, moral, honest, and even-tempered. Trump fails all those tests. Plenty of Democratic and liberal politicians also fail those tests.
Religious right-wingers – Jewish, evangelical Christians, others – chose to overlook Trump’s incompetence, et al. I would like to hear from some YWN readers why they did so.
Yeah, Jews should not be comfortable in America. We should go some place safe, like Germany, or anywhere else in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Have there been any anti-Semitic incidents in Antarctica? Just bring that heavy wool talis.
So far, 36 of 38 courts where Trump’s lawyers – should that word be in scare quotes? – have sought relief have found insufficient evidence and have thrown the cases out of court. (I don’t know what is happening with the 2 cases still pending, but they will not have materially adverse outcomes for Biden and Harris.) Those of you looking at the evidence that Trump’s lawyers present in press conferences are looking at the wrong forums. You can kid yourself as long as you like, but on January 20, 2021, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will become the president and vice president of the United States.
Some of the commenters have overlooked the fact that the question is purely hypothetical. My reaction if Trump legitimately won: First I would break out in hives, then I would move to Canada, if they would have me. America would become a failed democracy.
And for those of you who want to eliminate voting by mail, please explain why it would improve the integrity of the election process.
Since when does frum attire have any concern for style? It should not, and generally does not.
stevehynes: You are a silly child.
According to a lawyer I know who practices in New York, Trump has a reputation for not paying his legal bills. Any lawyer taking Trump’s election cases should insist on being paid in full up front. Not that that would improve the outcomes of Trump’s election cases.
I think the pollsters underestimated Trump’s support because they underestimated the reluctance of many Trump supporters to admit that they would vote for Trump. The Trump supporters in the Coffee Room may be shameless, but lots of Trump supporters worry about drawing criticism from Trump opponents.
It’s nice to see akuperma can be a voice of reason every once in a while.
It’s clear that common saychel does not know what he/she is talking about. For starters, he/she ends with a statement that yeshivas should be worried about crippling rules but offers no evidence. Does that sound familiar?
To ujm: I did not say that Trump lost because Hashem wanted it. I said that no one on this thread offered that as an explanation.
No less an authority than the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneersohn, said the connection between Hashem’s will and the Holocaust is extremely complicated, maybe too much for us to understand.
No one on this thread has suggested that Trump lost because Hashem wanted him to lose.
The wisdom of a lockdown is a question for epidemiologists. The rest of us should back off.
The answer to the opening poster’s initial question is, yes, someone can explain it. That person is CTLawyer. A few others got a few things right as well, but CTLawyer’s answers hit all the nails on their respective heads. The answers that refer to left wing media are not worth the paper they are not printed on.
Trump supporters have been chanting, “Lock her/him up” for 4 years. Trump supporters should now realize that (i) there were no valid criminal charges that could be pressed against the targets of their chance, and/or (ii) Trump is so incompetent that he failed to lock anybody up except for (A) Hispanic children whose parents wanted to come to America and (B) his former lawyer.
The frum voters are such a teeny weeny portion of the electorate, and in only one state – New York, which in presidential elections, is reliably Democratic – that no candidate cares about their votes. I think Trump pretended to care, and made some nominally pro-Israel policy decisions, only to get the financial backing of Sheldon Adelson. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
But keep in mind that Trump also got support from anti-Semites like the “Proud Boys” and right-wing anti-Semitic militias. On balance, Trump’s loss is good for the Jews.
It’s always a good idea for state legislatures to overturn the results of lawful elections.
To charlieha the Second: Why do so many people call you charliehall?
No one has mentioned this, so I will: Scientific evidence suggests that toieva occurs in twice as many men as women. That means that there will always be more women than men looking for marriage. What has amplified the crisis is the rise of social media in the last 10 years, enabling more discussion of the impact of the excess supply of women and the resulting number of unmarried women. If the science is correct (and I am not certain that it is), then no amount of effort would to make a serious impact on the number of unmarried women.
FU (follow-up) to my previous comment: If the results aren’t in the papers by Friday, 11/6, be more patient and wait a few more days.
You cannot evaluate a candidate separately on policy vs. character. If a candidate has bad character, his/her policy proposals are malleable and can be changed by undue influence like money under the table or blackmail. And unexpected developments will require a candidate, when elected, to make new policy decisions. With bad character, the interests of the public is more likely to be overlooked when new issues, new information, or new technology emerge.
Finding out who wins the 2020 presidential election is easy. It will probably be in all the newspapers by Friday, 11/6/2020. In the meantime, be patient.
Well, it is now time for hindsight about October surprises, and YWN commentators’ expectations of October surprises. Seems like we all (including me, notwithstanding my extraordinary astutivity) missed the surprisingest surprise of all: Trump gets hospitalized with Covid-19.
As for the outcome of Tuesday’s election, we will have to wait until at least Friday, November 6, for a reasonably reliable vote count. The polls say Biden has a better chance of winning than Hillary did in 2016. For me, that is ice cold comfort.
To CTLawyer: Can I rent or buy the one you don’t go to?
Wasn’t Barack Obama going to destroy the Jews when he was elected in 2008? If I went back to the comments and Coffee Room discussions prior to his election, I would not be surprised if an Obama victory was viewed in the same dire terms as Biden victory is being discussed now. So how do we take the doomsday expectations of the pro-Trump commenters now? With a grain of salt? Or a hearty laugh?
If Trump wins, there will be dancing in the streets that looks exactly like the final scene of the movie “A Day at the [Horse] Races,” but the people dancing and singing will be white.
Enough with the Koolaid. Have some Baron Herzog claret.
There are several tricks – appointment of biased judges and court packing – to affect Supreme Court decisions. There is one democratic method method – amend the constitution as authorized by its terms. Right wing unhappiness with the Supreme Court goes back to the school desegregation decision of 1954, and continued with the decisions upholding rights of criminals, prohibiting the death penalty, recognizing a right to birth control, and rights against gender discrimination.
If Roe v. Wade is overturned, I would hope that supporters of abortion rights seek to amend the constitution. It takes a long time, takes super-majorities, and lots of money to drive the campaign for the amendment, but I think it could be done. Messing with the court itself, using political tricks, hurts the court and hurts democracy.
Clinical trials take years before they start yielding positive results. It is too early to be disappointed.
Trump’s friends The Proud Boys will shave it for you.
To Health: The president said (which does not make it true) that he followed a course of HCQ and zinc treatment a few months ago. How did it work out?
In light of your belief in HCQ and zinc, would it be wrong for me, a Biden voter, to encourage all prospective Trump voters to take HCQ and zinc, with the hope that they will be unable to vote in November?
To charliehall: Consider this. Allowing big Jewish funerals in the middle of a pandemic lockdown is not necessarily good for the Jews, as it increases the probability that some of the attendees will get seriously ill or die. But you are basically right – DeBlasio has, overall, been good for the Jews, including the frum. Now if only we could get the frum Jews to be good ….
Well, at least this has pushed his tax returns and financial problems off the front page.
We should all keep in mind that voting in the US gives us only 2 choices. This means one votes for the less bad candidate, not necessarily the ideal candidate, as ideal candidates do not make it to the finals.
Thank you, jackk.
To the opening: No one said massive protests are OK. All large gatherings – minyans, goyishe weddings, protests, parties at bars, parties anywhere else, backyard BBQ’s – are risky. Be low-risk or higher risk: the choice is yours. And remember, don’t be stupid.
To the opening poster: Were you driking when you wrote the headline for this subject?
Re Reb Eliezer’s first comment: You omitted the last sentence: But Trump is an idiot.
As long as the coronavirus is out of control in the US, the virus will adversely affect the economy. It depresses employment, and high unemployment adversely affects consumer spending, which is a primary driver of the US economy. If and when the federal and state governments take effective action to control the coronavirus, then the economy has a chance to recover. All the rest is kidding yourself.
I hope the supporters of Trump are a minority when all the votes are counted after election day. And, akuperma, where did you get your numbers about minorities? And what is a “minority”? Any group that is less than 50% of total US population?
Let’s be fair to the YWN editors. It is very hard to tell the difference between Trump’s gaffes and his actual policies and beliefs.
To the opening poster: A “gaff” is a spar on a sailboat, or a spar that holds a microphone.
October surprise: FDA announces Covid vaccine has been approved. November surprise: FDA announces Covid vaccine approved in October does not work. President-elect Biden announces his administration will investigate this in late January. (And, as the song says, “Dream on ….”)