holymoly

“Some were. What about Syrians who ride bikes on shabbos or have their TVs on during Shabbos? Want to start this?”

The problem with the A movements that have gone awry is that they do things “leshem shamaim” and think they are correct. Most Sephardic “movements” that may blatantly disregard shabbos observance do not do so leshem shamaim and think they are correct. They know they are incorrect but don’t care. One is much different then the other. One has a chance of teshuva vs. the other cannot as they are always doing things “leshem shamaim”.

Now as far as the comment “Sefardim who go to Ateret were infused with a foreign spirit. ” One should be careful when stating this with such a short sighted vision. Obviously YO has not been around to see the actual metamorphosis of the Sephardic community. In the 40’s- 80’s it was a torah desert, where many shuls were actually making minyanim early shobbos morning to accommodate the people that needed to go to work and keep them at least close to the religion. Ateret filled the community with Torah study as the graduates have always come back and have integrated into the mainstream and taught Torah to the masses and laymen. Working on shabbos is few and far between today and torah study is flourishing. I shutter to the thought of a world without ateret, where the sephardic community would be today. YO obviously has a very limited background and does not like the adoption of some Litvisher yeshivah concepts into a sephardic yeshivah like Ateret, which is a different discussion in of itself. But to launch an unwarranted attack on ateret leads me to believe that YO is ill informed, or does not understand the actual history and progression of events. This lack of integrity is further perpetuated by the opening of such a Krum forum to begin with. We each have our weaknesses and strengths and to just open forums to point out, one groups weaknesses or strengths over another is counterproductive and not beneficial to either group. The aibishter has his plans. Our job is to continue to keep on learning Torah and doing mitzvos.