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October 28, 2021 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm in reply to: Man Bites Dog: Israel soft to racist Arab attacks acted fast, suddenly… #2021980HistorianParticipant
Examplary cases that stand out in weird prosecutor’s routine:
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* GARBOU BROTHERS ON R’ MALI (Apr/21)
Sara Ha’etzni-Cohen, “Israel’s iron fist is anything but”, ILH, Oct 7, 2021
[https://www.israelhayom. com/opinions/israels-iron-fist-is-anything-but/] Israel’s iron fist is anything but]
The Arab Israelis that attacked Rabbi Mali in Jaffa were known antisemitic nationalists, yet the police prosecutor failed to note the racial motive behind the attack.
R. Eliyahu Mali is a resident of Jaffa and the head of Shirat Moshe Hesder Yeshiv in the city. Around six months ago, he and a colleague were violently assaulted when two Arabs began to kick, curse, and threaten them in broad daylight. In their resourcefulness, Mali’s colleague documented the incident, something that resulted in his hospitalization. These were the days leading up to the riots of May 2021, and the images were widely distributed and resulted in a public outcry.
This week, the sense of shock grew following reports of the plea deal reached with the attackers, Ahmed and Mahmoud Garbua. In return for their confession, a ridiculous plea deal was signed that will see them sentenced to between five and nine months of community service. It is absolutely insane that the Israeli Police Prosecution and Tel Aviv Magistrate Court Judge Roy Perry both signed off on this agreement.
The police prosecutor did not even bother to assign a racial motive to the attack, something that would have resulted in more severe punishment. They failed to do this despite the fact that, as they were hitting and kicking and explicitly threatening the victims’ lives, they shouted that “Jaffa will not have Jews.” One of the attackers has a rich history of posting nationalist and antisemitic content on social media, including praise for Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, videos on “J. dogs and America,” and “the truth about the sons of monkeys and pigs.” He has also expressed a desire for the liberation of “occupied Jaffa.” And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Racial motive? What racial motive?
Yishai Friedman, “The ‘non-racist’ attacker from Jaffa works for liberation ‘from occupation’ and admires Hitler,” Makor Rishon, April 22, 2021.
[https://www.makorrishon. co .il/opinion/339719/]
*JAFFA LYNCH (May/21)
Omri Maniv, Jaffa resident who was lynched: “There was a racist motive – they knew I was Jewish.” [https://13news. co. il/item/news/domestic/crime-law/lynch-in-jaffa-1254621/] NEWS 13, May 23, 2021.
* A. KRINAWI VS OTHERS B/C HE ATTACKED A… POLICEMAN
Yoni Rotenberg (@Yoni_Roten) Tweeted
June 10, 2021:
[https://twitter. com/Yoni_Roten/status/1402911653734277123?s=20]
The two indictments filed: one against a minor who threw at a community center in the city (there is no racist motive), the other against Akram Krinawi who threw stones in several places in the city, and attacked a police officer (there, there is a racist motive clause).
Asaf Mishnayot (@AMishnayot) Tweeted
June 10, 2021:
[https://twitter. com/AMishnayot/status/1402912033901891584?s=20]
Only I notice the fact that the police only mentioned the racist motive when one of their own was attacked?
October 27, 2021 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm in reply to: Man Bites Dog: Israel soft to racist Arab attacks acted fast, suddenly… #2021618HistorianParticipantShalom, on charging with ‘racial motives,’ here are the results.
The following is a very small number of indictments on racial grounds, 18 out of so many, given the were hundreds upon hundreds racist Arab attacks on Jews. Source received by email include translations.
In Lod alone there were over 650 violent attacks on Jews reported by May 27, 2021. (See: Sara Ha’etzni-Cohen, “The prosecution’s indifference is shocking,” ILH, 05-28-2021).
Add to Lod, the acts in: Jerusalem, Jaffa, Ramle, Acre, etc._______
Attack on yeshiva students: Police arrested three suspicious Arabs Baruch Shapira, 4 Ader 5781, 16.02.21, JDN.
Three suspects have so far been arrested on suspicion of involvement in a lynching committed on yeshiva students last week at a gas station near Migdal. “Expect attackers to be charged with serious violent offenses and attempted murder for attempting to run over victims of racist motives.
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Live: The presenter wore a kippah and wore a yellow badge Yair Kalpa, BHOL. 13 Sivan 5781 24/05/2021.
Sharon Gal decided to convey a message – and wore Jewish symbols. During the monologue he said: “Maybe it will remove doubt, and the indictments will be worded here according to reality.” Gal continued: “It is quite clear that violence is violence and racism is racism, and it is equally despicable, no matter who is behind it. We all know that there is no symmetry, and there have been countless attacks on nationalist backgrounds upon Jews by Arabs in recent weeks.
___Yori Yalon and Shahar Klaiman, “Israel arrests 17 more rioters as Arab-Jewish clashes in Jerusalem continue”, JNS, Apr 25, 2021.
…began on April 13, the start of the Muslim holiday of Ramadan, and have been escalating over the past week.
According to Jerusalem District Police Chief Doron Turgeman, the suspects arrested on Saturday night—for “assaulting police officers, throwing rocks, setting off fireworks and hurling firebombs”—join 140 others taken into custody since the beginning of the “unrest,” bringing the total number to 157. Most of those arrested so far have been Muslims, Turgeman told Kan Radio on Sunday morning.
Turgeman also said that 54 of the detainees are being held under suspicion of attacks with a “racist motive.”__
Itzik Saban, Minister Ohana: “Attacking Jews in Jerusalem – an act on racist ground, the justice system must be deterred”, ILH, Apr 23, 2021.
The Minister of Internal Security referred to the events of recent days in Jerusalem, and called on the judicial system to severely punish young Arabs who attacked Jews with an ultra-Orthodox appearance in the capital in recent weeks – “This is not a prank”.
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Yehuda Weiss, “Indictment Filed Against Arab Who Slapped Jew on Light Rail Train”, Hamodia, May 4, 2021.
A screen shot of the Arab slapping the boy on the train, April 14.
The Yerushalayim District Prosecutor’s Office has submitted to the city’s Magistrates Court for Youth an indictment against a 17-year-old Arab, who attacked chareidi teenagers on the Light Rain Train in Yerushalayim last month.
The indictment charged the Arab with an attack due to racist motives, and harm to privacy.
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Tik Tok terrorism: An Arab from Jerusalem is accused of attacking an ultra-Orthodox Jew for racist motives, 0404, May 3, 2021.
An indictment was filed today (Monday) in the Jerusalem Magistrate’s Court against Ramzi Radaida (Radaideh), an 18-year-old Arab resident of the city, for assault that causes actual damage out of motive of racism or hostility towards the public and assault simply out of motive of racism.
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Haim Goldich, “Charge: Attacked two undercover police officers for racist motive, YNet, June 21, 2021.
A 24-year-old man from the a-Tour neighborhood in Jerusalem was charged following an attack by Border Police officers disguised as ultra-Orthodox. The police arrested two people after one of them sprayed tear gas into their car.
The attack on two Border Police undercover operatives about ten days ago in the a-Tor neighborhood of Jerusalem ended today (Monday) with the filing of an indictment against 24-year-old Lui Stlyah (Loui Stliah), a resident of the area
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Lilach Shovaldniel Seriotti, “Lynch cases and a shooting incident carried out by Arabs on Jews during the ‘Guardian of the Walls’ were solved.” ILH, June 10, 2021.
Two residents of Wadi Ara are accused of carrying out a shooting attack, from which a civilian escaped unharmed. Two residents of Kafr Qara were charged with aggravated assault. A resident of Acre participated in riots in the city and caused much destruction… it was determined that the three offenses were committed on racial grounds.
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Yonatan Yifrach, “An Arab terrorist attacked a father and son: ‘You are Jews, your place is not here.’ ” Ch 20, June 6, 2021.
An Arab terrorist riding a motorcycle attacked a father and son on the Jaffa promenade, hit the father with a helmet and his friends sprayed them with pepper spray. Among other things, the assailant called out to his son, “You are Jews, your place is not here.” Although the details of the attack are in the possession of the police, an indictment has not yet been filed against him, “demanding that the terrorist and his accomplices be prosecuted for a serious assault of a racist motive.
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Aviad Glickman, Maor Tzur, “7 Arabs accused of murdering Yigal Yehoshua: “Act for racist motives’ “, News 13, June 24, 2021.
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Ilana Curiel, “Charge against a person involved in a lynching attempt in the Negev, which attacked during house arrest: ‘Slaughter, d_g Jew’,” YNet, June 14, 2021.
‘Abd al-‘Aziz’ Amrani, a resident of the Bedouin diaspora, violated the conditions of his house arrest for a robbery – and participated in the riots in the Negev. The indictment against him attributes to him offenses of terrorist act and causing racist damage.
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Ilana Curiel, “Six residents of the Negev are accused of participating in riots in the south”, YNet, June 10, 2021.
Indictments have been filed against four young men and two boys from Malkia for throwing stones at vehicles in the south during riots last month. “Act for a nationalist-racist motive,” it read. So far, no one has been accused of lynching attempts to set vehicles on fire on the roads.
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Haim Goldich, “Accusation: A teacher at a school in Jerusalem attacks a racist motive in the Old City”, YNet, May 26, 2021.
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Hagit Hornstein, “Indictment: A severe resident of Haifa was attacked and injured by a racist nationalist motive”, Kolbo News, July 20, 2021.
Five Arabs, three of them residents of Haifa, are accused of participating in the difficult events that took place during the violent riots in the city last May. Among the offenses attributed to them: an act of terrorism of aggravated intentional sabotage and intentional sabotage of a vehicle motivated by racism.
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Kan News @kann_news Tweeted: (June 19, 2021):
They asked him if he was Jewish or Arab, and beat him to the point of unconsciousness: Five Arab-Israelis are charged with a series of terrorist offenses and racist assaults, for attacking Beni Salman in Haifa in May.A lawsuit has been filed against Benny Salman’s attackers in Haifa. By Eden Kleiman, HAIPO, July 20, 2021.
Today (20/07/21) The Haifa District Attorney’s Office filed an indictment in the city district court against Nur Waked (21), Joan Zabidat (21) and Adam Omer (19), residents of Haifa, and against Shadi Mahmoud (24) and Rani Abu Tarif ( 19), that a place is prohibited from publication, which attributes to them the offenses of terrorist act of aggravated sabotage, intentional sabotage of a vehicle motivated by racism, and recklessness and negligence motivated by racism – each according to his part, for their involvement in attacking Haifa resident Bnei Salman (48) and sabotage In a number of vehicles on a racist nationalist background.
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Oded Bar-Meir, “Vehicles smashed and stones thrown at the head: Serious indictments against boys in the Negev at the ‘Guardian of the Walls.’ ”
Beersheva.Mynet, July 12, 2021.
The indictments were filed for committing acts of terrorism during the military operation. Among other things, the indictment reveals a harsh description of stone-throwing in a vehicle and the smashing of stones on the head of a passenger, who finally managed to escape with the help of a local sheikh. Oded Bar-Meir, Beersheva.Mynet, July 12, 2021. The Southern District Attorney’s Office (Criminal) has filed three indictments in the Be’er Sheva District Court against six defendants, including five minors: one is about 15 years old and the other is about 17 years old from Umm Batin. The indictments attribute to each, in turn, the commission of acts of terrorism, throwing or firing a stone or other object at a vehicle, intentional damage to a vehicle from a racist motive, rioting and other offenses..
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kann News July 12, 2021:
6 residents of Um Betin, (including 5 minors) are accused in carrying out terrorist practicality or contingent of a stone or another object towards transporting vehicles, interruption and other offenses from racist motivation during the operation of the Guardians of the walls.___
“Maniac J…, this is our area”: 6 accused of assault on a racial basis in Haifa. Lior El-Hai, Ynet, Aug 9, 2021October 24, 2021 9:35 am at 9:35 am in reply to: Evictions: Sheikh Jarrah, No; Beit Dror, Yes? – Arabs first class citizens in Is #2020070HistorianParticipantThis is “fresh” from today:
Abraham Bloch, @avribloch Tweeted
Oct 24, 2021:Students of the Chomesh Yeshiva complained to the police that Arabs were throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at them, and also placed an explosive device at the entrance to the yeshiva. In response, large police forces raided the Chumash yeshiva this morning and arrested students.
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Related, here are two articles from YWN:
‘Arrested for Entering Chomesh but Acquitted After Claiming Discrimination’
February 23, 2016Arrested for Entering Chomesh but Acquitted After Claiming Discrimination
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‘Arsonists Target Yeshivat Chomesh In The Shomron’
May 25, 2017June 23, 2021 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm in reply to: 1939: First already known use of human shields in Palestine – Mufti’s terrorist #1985740HistorianParticipantThe full name of the one used human shields in 1939 was:
Yusuf Sa’id Abu Durra (1900 – 1940 – nom de guerre: Abu Abed). He was one of the chief Arab rebel commanders during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine.
HistorianParticipantTime and time again the slur promoters prove they do not want real change. On the contrary, their goal is making Israel look bad.
This explains, as soon as Arab countries made officially peaceful recognition with Israel and the lie of “racism” was exposed even further, desperate Hagai of betselem had to use the slur, which Omar did after him.
Interesting though, now two rather very, very liberals, Daniel Kurtzer and Aaron David Miller just wrote in Newsweek against this HRW-Shakir thing, and against use of this term and that it really is counter productive.
First they denounce the language of so called “crimes” compared to real crimes against humanity. They add that Shakir makes it sound as if conditions are in a vacuum. Of course the constant anti Israel violence and real threats are real.May 4, 2021 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm in reply to: Four shuls attacked in the Bronx over the weekend #1971083HistorianParticipantIf I am not mistaken, the very first push of anti Haredi incitement in NY in context of Cobid, was an Israeli-American “progressive” journalist. it was before the Levaya where Deblasio reacted the way he did.
April 12, 2021 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm in reply to: 50 years sgo, diabolical Hitler’s שר”י agent was attacked [Nazis in Arabia] #1964237HistorianParticipant5TResident, true, but didn’t emply them in anti Jewish hare propaganda.. Whereas Egypt did! In a combination of using them as a tool against Jews.
April 9, 2021 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm in reply to: When the Jews of Constantinople saved hundreds of Armenians fom certain death #1963801HistorianParticipantFrom: James Larry Taulbee: International Crime and Punishment: A Guide to the Issues: A Guide to the Issues: A Guide to the Issues (ABC-CLIO, 2009), p.112
A Crime without a Name
Henry Morgenthau, the American ambassador to Turkey (1913–1916) during the first Wilson administration, watched the unfolding policy of the systematic slaughter of Armenians with great concern. He termed it “race murder” because no existing English word captured the full horror of the events he observed.
Others referred to the policy as the “crime without a name.” Even though the United States would not officially take a position, Morgenthau felt morally compelled to express his personal feeling about what he saw as unacceptable.
The answer he received from Mehmet Talaat, the Turkish head of state, reveals much about the following discussion of these crimes: “Why are you so interested in the Armenians anyway? . . . You are a Jew, these people are Christians. . . . What have you to complain of? Why can’t you let us do with these Christians as we please?His response, quoted in WSJ on May 3, 2015. In an article by L. Gordon Crovitz, titled, ‘The Diplomat Who Called Out Mass Murder’
Morgenthau replied: “I am not here as a Jew, but as American ambassador. My country contains something like 97 million Christians and something less than three million Jews. So, at least in my ambassadorial capacity, I am 97% Christian. But after all, that is not the point. I do not appeal to you in the name of any race or religion, but merely as a human being.”
He added: “Our people will never forget these massacres. They will always resent the wholesale destruction of Christians in Turkey.”
WSJ article adds:
Morgenthau recruited American missionaries and philanthropists in 1915 to form the American Committee for Armenian and Syrian Relief, which solicited donations from across the U.S. The group distributed vivid posters with the tagline “Give or We Perish.” After leaving his post, Morgenthau often spoke on behalf of the relief effort. Americans contributed $100 million, equivalent to almost $2.5 billion today.
April 9, 2021 5:24 am at 5:24 am in reply to: When the Jews of Constantinople saved hundreds of Armenians fom certain death #1963613HistorianParticipantI think ujm was referring to violent attacks from (aggressive) Armenians upon Jews prior to the genocide. But saying lives is a must.
It shoumd also be noted that Jews, jut another minority, feared they would get the same treatment as Armenians from the Turks uf they protested to much…In the words of writers, even by unfair critic Mr. Kieser, p.302:
That Jews would face fate of Armenians as many feared …
Or this:
The Jewish World, (Messrs. Philip Johns & Company, 1898), p. 156:The Zionist Movement
West End Meeting …
Mr. O. J. Simon… regarded the Ottonan Government as a dangerous power. For notwithstanding that he had treated the Jews comparatively well, it had but few Jews and they would be massacred like the Armenians and the Greeks…Debate At North London
… he differentiated between Zionism and the religious idea…
But if the Sultan did sell Palestine to the Jews, those who went there would suffer the same fate as the Armenians.Yet, here is more on:
<emp>Jews helping Armenian victims</emp>
___Palestine Daily Mail (Doar Hayom). January 3, 1922. Page 1. [Free translation]:
Mr. Klorisky, the wise and sharp one in our local politicians, did well to raise a great voice for the benefit of our brethren who are beyond the Euphrates; And beautiful was his proposal to the High Commissioner to open the gates of our charitable country to some of the refugees …
But there remain other great friends of the Armenians in England itself, and in America in particular, and among these friends we are glad to name, in particular, Dr. Weitzmann in London, and H. Stephen Wise and Morgenthau in Washington.
From clear sources we know that these three Jews, not only did help the Armenians with advice and money, but thanks to them the governments continued to be interested in the future of Armenia and since – Dr. Weizmann is involved, he will cerainly do much for the Armenian question.
דאר היום 3 ינואר 1922. גיליון ס”ח No.68
ארמניה לא מתהויפה עשה ה’ קלוריסקי, זה הנבון והחריף שבמדינאינו המקומיים, להרים קול גדול לטובתם של אחינו אשר מעבר לפרת ; ויפה היתה הצעתו לנציב העליון לפתוח בפני קצת מהפליטים את שערי ארצנו הנדבנית…
אך נשארו עוד ידידים גדולים לארמנים באנגליה עצמה, ובאמריקה ביחוד, ובין הידידים האלה שמחים אנו למנות, ביחוד, את ד”ר וייצמן בלונדון, ואת ה”ה סטיפן וייז ומורגנטוי בושינגתון.
ממקורות ברורים יודעים אנחנו, כי שלשת יהודים אלה, לא בלבד שעזר עזרו לארמנים בעצות ובכסף, אלא שהודות להם התמידו הממשלות להתענין בעתידה של ארמניה ובהיות – ד”ר ויצמן בקן, עשה יעשה בטח הרבה גם לשאלה הארמנית.
HistorianParticipantTrue, ujm. The JewishVirtualLibrary has an interesting chart in a page titled:
‘Demographics of Israel: Population of Jerusalem
(1844 – Present)’November 5, 2020 9:42 am at 9:42 am in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1917031HistorianParticipantShukairy has had a remarkable history . As has been revealed in the pages of Prevent World War III, he worked with the Nazis in the Middle East and was a henchman of the notorious Mufti of Jerusalem who advised Hitler…
Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the … Congress, Volume 110, Part 22. United States. Congress. U.S. Government Printing Office, 1964, p.525
November 4, 2020 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1916887HistorianParticipantFrom July 12, 1946 article:
Out in Jerusalem, in an office situated ironically on Bethlehem Road, where, according to Jewish legend Mother Rachel weeps at midnight over the plight of her children, the people of Israel, I met Achmed Shukeiri, chief of the Arab Office, who reiterated in his conversation the words of Goebbels justified the murder of six million Jews of Europe “because Hitler could not have been all wrong,” and warned that his side was ready to “play along with Moscow.” They always play along, the Husseini-Shukeiri mob. Outside the Young Men’s Chr. Association building in Jerusalem, where the hearings of the Anglo-American Inquiry Committee were being held at the time, I met Jamal el Husseini; he issued the same warning as Shukeiri (he being Shukeiri’s chief) of playing along with Moscow, and reiterated his justification of the mass murder of six million Jews “for Hitler couldn’t be all wrong… you have got to see both sides of a question, my man, both sides of a question…” Jamal Husseini saw both sides so well that he joined in igniting, at a time most critical for the Allies, the Iraq coup d’etat to gauleiter the Middle East for Hitler…
“Behind Britain’s Zion Conspiracy”
By Bernard Lerner.
The Detroit Jewish News July 12, 1946 Page 2“British Actions in Palestine.” By Bernard Lerner, July 12, 1946, The Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Page 7
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1961 testimony in US Congress:
Shukairy got his start in “politics” in the early 1930s when he belonged to a group of fanatical extremists led by the ex-Mufti. This gang cooperated with the Communists and prior to the HitlerStalin Pact sought in every possible way to sabotage the Allied war effort against the Nazis in the Middle East. However, when Soviet Russia joined the Allies, Shukairy’s group split with the Communists and went all out for Hitler.</blockquote
Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the … Congress – United States. Congress – 1961, p.5735 (p.35).
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From a report in “Ahora!” magazine, volume 186, 1967:
Shukairy worked with the Russian communists in the past, long before Nasser out of some consequence. But Shukairy is now openly linked with the Chinese communists, although the Chinese and Russian goals of revolutionary uprising seem now to coincide in the Middle East, it differs only as who will emerge on top. Shukairy cooperated with the communist party of Palestine, directed by Moscow before the Second World War. However, after Hitler attacked Russia and the communists around the world changed positions, the fierce and unpredictable Shukairy has aligned himself with Hitler for his programs against the Jews.
Original text in Spanish:
Shukairy cooperó con el Partido Comunista de Palestina, dirigido por Moscú antes de la Segunda Guerra Mundial. Sin embargo, después que Hitler atacó a Rusia ya los comunistas en todo el mundo cambió posiciones, el feroz e impredecible Shukairy se alineó con Hitler por sus programas contra los judios.
September 14, 2020 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1901640HistorianParticipantHere’s more on his extremism, back in 1946:
SHUKAIRY IN 1946:
1. ONLY RUSSIA SHOULD DEAL WITH PALESTINE CASE.
2. WESTETN DEMOCRACY FAILED.
3. <b>WILL NOT SIT WITH THE JEWS FOR DISCUSSION</b>.
4. PARTITION, OUT OF THE QUESTION. THREATENS ACTIONS IF INSISTED
From: Menahem Mansoor, “Political and Diplomatic History of the Arab World, 1900-1967: 1942-52”. ,(NCR Microcard Editions, 1972) p.1August, 1946 August 8
Ahmad Shukairy, Director of the Arab Office in Jerusalem, declared that ” the Arab World is looking eagerly for the stand Moscow will take” on the Palestine problem, and he saw no reason why “America should be a party to the Palestine case and not Russia.”From: La Grande Observer, La Grande, Oregon. Thursday, August 8, 1946. Page 5
Arabs Seek Russian Aid in Preventing Holy Land Split Delegation May Be Sent to Moscow in Effort to Enlist Help Against British
JERUSALEM, Aug. 8 (UP) Ahmad Shukairy. head of the Arab office, discussed today that unofficial contacts have been made with Moscow with view to obtaining Soviet support for Palestine Arabs in opposing Britain’s proposed partition of the Holy Land.
Shukairy said that it was possible that an Arab delegation would be sent Moscow even before the Palestine issue is raised before the United Nations general assembly now scheduled to meet Sept. 23 in New York City. “We are already somewhat late in doing this,” he said, but added that unofficial, contacts with the Soviet had- been made and that official contacts, will follow.
British Plan Hit
Shukairy emphasized that Arabs oppose in strongest fashion the British-plan to split Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish provinces under British control. He predicted that the Arab states will not participate in the discussions Britain- has scheduled so long as partition is on the agenda.
He also reemphasized that <b>Arabs would hot participate in any round-table discussion with the Jews</b>. Arab States which already have accepted invitations to the London conference, he said, did so before they knew that Britain had the partition plan in mind…
He said that <b>western democracy and democratic principles had failed in Palestine</b>.
Russia Face Test
“Palestine now provides an acid test for the Soviet regime,” he said, “whether it will project its philosophy toward assisting the Arabs.” If Britain insists on proceeding with its partition plan, he said thaf Palestine “which is on the verge of struggle will fight.”</blockqote>September 13, 2020 8:50 am at 8:50 am in reply to: Profile of less famous anti-Jewish racist, fascist (Shikriri) #1900891HistorianParticipantDear Charliehal. You mean economics, no ideological support… forced because of isolation stemming from the goliath sea of Arab Islamic neighbors boycotting the “other” in their midst. The non-Arab, non-Muslim entity. Now that is the GOLIATH APARTHEID.
Any wonder neo nazis and Iran/Hezbollsh/Hamas/Erduan can’t stand that the Arab Apartheid wall has been a bit weakened by the current UAE/Bahrain deals.HistorianParticipantMedia bias: see
* CAMERA [dot org]
and
* honestReportingHistorianParticipantTo charliehal.
I hope you dont rely on biased wikipedia’s for “information” re Israel and “Palestinians”.___
See:“The gathering storm, and beyond. Israel is the aboriginal homeland of the Jewish people across space & time.” By Irwin Cotler. The Jerusalem Post. May 14, 2008
HistorianParticipantDear n0mesorah, topic was BLM vs HAMAS. so I replied on both.
HistorianParticipant1. There is a difference between the idea that lives matter with an emphasis of groups who have been treated unfairly.
2. BLM as a movement has been tainted by hatred. Though not all BLM activists are necessarily haters.
3. Fedayeen, PFLP,PLO,Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa brigade , Tanzim… or any other Arab “palestinian” violent group were/are about between ethnic cleansing and eliminating the Jews in Israel. No matter under what banner they have used.
July 21, 2020 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm in reply to: Approaching 18 yrs to Meron Junction massacre #1884848HistorianParticipantFrom:
Daily alert, 2010-11-01 , 10:07:27The Open Racism of the Future State of Palestine
(Scholars for Peace in the Middle East) Shmuel Trigano –
When considering the possibility that an outside force could be given the responsibility of overseeing the implementation of a planned agreement with Israel in the West Bank, PA President Mahmoud Abbas told the Egyptian press in Cairo at the beginning of August: “I am ready to accept a third party which supervises the implementation of the agreement, NATO forces, for example, but I will not accept the presence of Jews in these forces or a [single] Israeli on the Land of Palestine.”
There is a perfect coherence between this demand and the refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The Palestinian Authority is building a racist regime based on the principle of establishing an apartheid between a Palestine untainted by Jewish blood and a mixed State of Israel.
According to the draft constitution of the planned state, Palestine proper would be Arab and Islamic:
“This constitution is based on the will of Palestinian-Arab people” (Article 1),
“the Palestinian people are a part of the Arab and Islamic nation” (Article 2),
“sovereignty belongs to the Palestinian Arab people” (Article 10),
“the legal character of the Arab-Palestinian people will be embodied by the state” (Article 13),
“Islam will be the official religion of the state” (Article 6).
___The writer, a fellow of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, is professor of the sociology of politics at Paris University.
July 21, 2020 11:32 am at 11:32 am in reply to: Approaching 18 yrs to Meron Junction massacre #1884799HistorianParticipantFrom:
Fort Lauderdale News from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, June 13, 1967 p.9
What Is Future Of Palestine Liberation Forces?
BEIRUT, Lebanon.
The Arab defeat in the Middle East war leaves a big question mark over the future of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its firebrand leader leftist Ahemd Shukairy.Shukairy narrowly escaped capture by Israeli forces in Jerusalem and many of his “Liberation Army” are now prisoners of the Israelis. “We will wipe Israel off the face of the map and no Jew will survive,” Shukairy declared two days before the war broke out June 5.
He vowed to lead the vanguard of his troops into the Israeli sector of Jerusalem and set up a “purely Arab government” there for all of Palestine.The 60-year-old former lawyer was seen briefly in Amman and Damscus in the last stages of the fighting wearing a khaki battle uniform.
Persons who saw him said he looked fatigued and dejected. His army of 15,000 guerrillas had moved into some of the Sinai and Gaza Strip positions evacuated by the U.N. Emergency force before the fighting began. Several thousand of them are believed to be in Is raeli hands with most of their arms and equipment.
Most of the equipment for Shukairy’s force came from the Soviet bloc and Red China, and he boasted that he had the support of the Chinese leaders.
Egypt and Syria gave him strong support, but Jordan and other pro-Western Arab countries objected to his ultra-leftist leanings and his campaign to overthrow King Hussein of Jordan.
Jordan never allowed the Liberation Army to operate on its territory, which would have been the logical springboard for an attack on Israel. Last December, the Jordanian government ordered Shukairy to close his office in the Jordanian sector of Jerusalem. Shukairy and Hussein made up publicly when the king signed a defense alliance with Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, but the Israeli victory ended that..HistorianParticipantThere are also other issues to be discussed . Including Cuomo’s nursing home matter and Deblasio coming late as TheNewYorker reported. And maybe the prohibiting tablets inside. Isolation is devastating….
HistorianParticipantDear ubiquitin.1884305
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I know people who are niftar. And there needs to be an investigation. IMHO.HistorianParticipantI use a message or a logo as a pic. No human photos.
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Well, it’s so sad that politics came into place, when we are dealing about saving lives.HistorianParticipantTo ubiquitin# 1884191:
This is why I put a question mark by title after: j’accuse… and in my post I said if.July 12, 2020 6:26 am at 6:26 am in reply to: Do our eyes tell us what happened to GEORGE FLOYD #1881350HistorianParticipantOne of the most shocking aspects to me was, as he said “I can’t breathe” but cold Cauvin had his hands in his pocket , and the black cop couldn’t care either. I cried. Especially as a Yid, rachmonim bnei rachmonim
HistorianParticipantIMHO, if African American educators/influencers would talk more about Jews’ sacrifice for blacks, such as KKK’s murder of Schwerner and Goodman in 1964, it would help to reduce hate venom spread by racist supremacist N.O. Islam’s Farrakhan.
July 9, 2020 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm in reply to: 17th of Taamuz – A Tough Nut to Crack Connecting 5 tragedies which occurred #1881020HistorianParticipantDo Sfardim also refrain from hair cutting before 9 days?
HistorianParticipantWe all wish you, you find your bashert and build a Bayis Neemon
HistorianParticipantAt the beginning of the riots post Floyd’s killing, Tucker Carleson –unfairly and without proof — tried to blame Kushner for Trump’s lack of controlling the scenes.
HistorianParticipantWhat exactly “should” Trump say about the virus and how will help?
HistorianParticipantWithout going into his kev ed l if anti Jewishness in his personal feelings… or with whom he associates with which influence these feelings, he seems to be plain childish. The vengeful post Apr-29 levaya next day attack exclusively on Jewish areas with his police issuing citations en-masse, or his infantile behavior vis-a-vis parks fighting with innocent kids…
HistorianParticipantJune 21: 2 major tragic Jewish cases on this Gregorian calendar day. למספרם
June 21, 1962
י”ט סיון תשכ”ב
Graciela Sirota, 19 years old Jewish student brutally attacked, cigarettes burned on her, swastikas carved on her body by nazi gang TACUARA in Argentina with a message that it was revenge for eliminating Adolf Eichmann y.s. Many protested, Jews and non Jews. Shops closed posting: “closed as protest nazi aggressions”. Students mobilized.
Some 5 months later, this Nazi group was saluted and praised by United Arab Republic’s rep. in the U.N. Ahmad Shukairy (Shukeiri, Shuqairy – prayed during WW2 for Hitler’s victory and Britain’s loss and was former aide to Hitler’s ally the Mufti al-Hussein y.s.) And a bit over a year passed since he invented (Oct. 17, 1961) the apartheid slur on Israel without explanation, but using the condemnation momentum in UN against South Africa to tarnish Israel by comparing it to S.A. He later on, May-1964 became PLO’s first chairman.
For historical facts: That was about 6 years before the 1967 war and about 41 years before the anti-terror barrier erected.Notes:
On Graciela Sirota:
Richard S. Levy: ‘Antisemitism: A Historical Encyclopedia of Prejudice and Persecution,’ Volume 1. p.697Beatrice D Gurwitz: ‘Argentine Jews in the age of Revolt…’, 2016, p.53
On first historic (apartheid slur) comparison, by Shukairy:
Y. Oron: ‘Middle East Record,’ volume 2, 1961, p.188Shukairy aide to Hitler’s ally Mufti:
Congressional Record: proceeding and debates… Vol.107, part 24, US CongressShukayri admitting praying with his friends for Hitler’s victory.:
E. Kedurie: ‘Arabic Political Mmoires’, 1964, p.189‘Encounter,’ vol. 39, p.76. S. Spencer, Irving Kristol, 1972
Shukairy’ salute to Tacuara:
“Recall of Arab Delegate from U.N. is Sought; ‘saluted’ Tacuara”, JTA, Dec.3.1962“Chile Rebukes Arab Delegate at UN for ‘saluting’ Tacuara Group.” JTA, December 4, 1962
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21 June, 1964
י”א תמוז תשכ”ד
The KKK y.s. murder of African American Chaney, with the two young Jews, Schwerner and Goodman, while they tried to help African-Americans in their civil rights.
HistorianParticipantD Prager and M Medved are very convincing. ..
HistorianParticipantBob Grant…on the radio, can not forget him. Nostalgic.
HistorianParticipantYet to see any voices from those activists re anti Semitic Henry Ford’s racism including against blacks through his east on jazz music.
HistorianParticipantEven if one thinks he doesn’t “need” to wear one. Out out of respect, one SHOULD wear. This is a classic MARIS AYIN case.
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