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Chance, you are so right.

Some people wanted to ban coffee till they found out it has some positive health benifits as well.

And I could argue that fatty foods do as well.

I used to visit nursing homes as part of the yeshivah program to

reach out to and show other yidden that they are not forgotten, and to encourage them to embrace yiddishkeit (at any age).

What I noticed was that the ones with Parkinsens and Alzheimers and other diseases of the brain were mostly the skinny ones.

Those who were “overweight” were largly free of such diseases compared to the % of those who were skinny and had such diseases.

The “fat” ones were mentally aware and could hold an intelligent conversation while the skinny ones were lucky if they even knew someone was in the room, let alone what they were saying.

And it is not just government control over what we may eat, it’s

unconstitutional government control in every area of our lives and health is just one more excuse to attack and vilify business.

They are also going after animal breeders quite viciously, for example calling them “abusers of animals” and we all know how they have devestated and mercislesly bashed, the energy industry and the auto manufacturers and they practically have people rioting on Wall Street calling for the blood of anyone in the financial industry.

In the movie; Escape from LA (Sequal to Escape from New York)

in one scene, the asssitant to the President for life (remind you of someone in office now who wants that for himself? perhaps) rattles off about 10 or 15 things that the government has banned like smoking and red meat and I think restrictions on where someone could go and what they could believe in etc…At the end of the list Snake Pliskin sarcsatically responds;

“Land of the Free”.

Health; The first law in this country is that the Constitution is to be followed and the laws now being passed more and more are against the Constitution.

I would want to see independent reviews of any product by those who have used it before deciding if I wanted to buy it or not.

Or I would want to see an undeniable demonstration of it not working (for example; if someone markets a carry home egg carton that guarantees the eggs won’t break if dropped I would want to see the container drop and break the eggs before I would go around trying to stop everyone from buying the containers).

Health you post foolishness like; “To chance and other naturalists,

Sorry to burst your bubble on red rice yeast, but it seems that the naturalists are the ones trying to make money on products that don’t work, not big Pharma.”

And then claim I im the one with “silly conspiracy theories” .

Do you do a stand up comedy routine too, or do you actually expect people to take your hypocrisy, seriously?

Further tell me how it only a “theory” when government is restricting everything we can do and eat, and it’s not a theory, look at the ‘laws’ they ‘are passing’.

No salt no transfats no smoking not more then 4 cats allowed on home, all kinds of restrictions and who a company must hire and who they can or can’t fire and under what conditions.

Now a court just rulled a Jewish organization was in violation

for not giving a prisoner Jewish materials because they did not think he was Jewish.

So are you going to say all this is ‘not’ happening while you continue to spout silly consoriacy theories against the private sector?

Jewish Girl, when you see a “black and white” picture in a newspaper you usually also see some grey in there.

But in fact it is not grey.

What it is, is actually the white (or off white) background of the paper with black dots spaced such that the more black dots the darker the overall “grey” color seems to be.

Fewer and more spread out black dots creates a lighter grey color.

So what looks “grey” is actually black and white mixed together, but

wherever a black dot in not placed in that area, is white and thus that microscpic section of white is not grey or black, it is still white.

It is the same thing in life.

We may not clearly see that good and evil are mixed together, but if you could look closely enough and see it from H-sh-m’s perspective you would very clearly see

there is no such thing as grey in looking at good and evil.

They are mixed together to ‘look’ grey, but the tiny particles of evil are still evil no two ways about it.

The same is true for the tiny particles of good.

But to “call” it grey is to say “we must throw up our hands and not try and do good or stop evil because it is all grey and we cannot separate out good from evil”.

But if we would follow Torah and truly try and understand what G-d wants from us

instead of having our own personal agendas which in some cases may not be

so in line with Torah, we could do enough to separate out the evil from the good

and address problems that some might otherwise find too overwhelming to deal with.

What is the difference between the regular news section on the front page and the other section titled “In the news” that appears at the bottom of the coffee room?

They are two different sections with no clear (that I can tell) indication of why something is put in one section rather then in the other one, or why there are two separate sections at all?

And speaking of the Coffee Room I no longer see a direct link going back to the room after a post, or any link going directly back to the main page from the posting section.

The print, especially for posts, is smaller and has less contrast against the background.

It may be harder to read, for some.

Try craigs list, they have many job openings in many different catagories.

King David (as I remember) was told through prophecy that he was to live exactly 70 years and die on Shabbos.

He asked H-sh-m “let me live longer so that I do not die on Shabbos” he was told no because his sons reign was to begin then and his reign could not overlap his sons reign.

I believe he then asked to die earlier so that still it not be in Shabbos and was told that he had to live his full life.

So his life’s length was set no matter what.

Now what would have happened if he had eaten nothing but transfats every day all day.

He still would have lived those 70 years and not a single moment less.

Now you might argue that he might have been sick and suffering.

But ‘might’ is the operative word, you do not ‘know’ for sure.

What if King David would answer that he liked the transfats and it was worth any suffering he would go through from it effects?

Did anyone have the right to tell him how he had to live his life?

I had heard that medical researchers had found that kids growing up without pets had a higher rate of asthma and similar breathing ailments.

What if the government ordered every family with children to have at least one cat and one dog in the house in the name of “health”?

Sam responsible I do not have a Rambam to look up.

But if he had assured all food except bread and beans, as I said, we would have known about it long ago.

Either he did not assur it or we follow others who hold differently, those are the only two possibilities.

Besides people who live longer because they do not have heart attacks or cancer, often live long enough to get Alzheimers.

What if given the choices someone would not want to live long enough to get Alzheimers?

Do you think you or anyone else has the right to force someone to live a worse life not eating things they enjoy, just so they can live long enough to get a disease they constantly live in fear of?

Smartcookie my point about junk food is that parents should exercise their influence on their own kids and not try and force society into what they ‘think’ is good.

Now the liberals want to ban McDonalds from giving a toy with each happy meal in the false name of stopping childhood obesity.

All that will do is put some people out of work, when McDonalds does not need them because they sell less food, to fewer customers.

The liberals forcing this on us could not care less, about stopping childhood obesity.

This is just a scam to attack business and further destroy the freedoms and economic propserity of this once free, country.

All this “health” stuff has perhaps a small kernel of truth with massive propaganda packed around it like several feet of styrofoam around a single glass bead and you are told the entire package is one huge ball of glass.

Once you have given up your freedoms and money to pay for it and open it, only whne it’s too late, do you find out you have been royally ripped off, and permamently lost out, big time.

It’s like the fake global warming scam, we are supposed to reduce our choices and freedom and lifestyle because of some big ‘scare’ that big brother government is going to ‘fix’ and ‘make all better for us’, who ‘are too helpless’ to run our own lives or make our own decisions.

Pretty soon the government will be comming into our homes and cutting our food for us because knives are too dangerous for ‘regular people’ to handle and it will be illegal to even have a butter knife because it’s too dangerous.

But of course it won’t be needed because the butter will be illegal by then, anyway.

Just wait till all regular food is illegal and we are ordered to live on Soylent Green crackers.

Sam Responsible, I did stick to the point.

You apparantly want sugar banned and I provided some

alternate ideas to the claim that sugar is as evil as you seem to want to make it out to be.

As for your quotes and things to look up I do not know much Hebrew other then some very common terms, such as those I use below, so I do not know what you said or have an English Rambam to look up.

But if the Rambam said that sugar was assur I think we would have heard about it long ago.

If you are intrepreting from the Rambam to make up your own halachos, I must ask if you are a paskening rav and who holds by your psakim.

If you do not want sugar in your house, don’t have it, but who gave you the right to try and get it banned for everyone else?

Our Neshamas are part of H-sh-m, so the seeming contradiction to me, would be why

H-sh-m would separate the Neshamas from himself, just to earn the right to be reunited as a reward.

It does not bother me that we must become givers, but to set up the Universe such that suffering ‘must’ be part of it seems to me, to be the opposite of giving and kindness.

When I looked at this thread title, I had thought it was about actually being ripped off as in what happened to me which was that the one time I ever worked in a summer camp, they never paid me what they had promised.

I had also known nothing about camps never having been in one before that and did not know that those working there had to fight each other for rooms stay in or at least

be the first there to get one.

Silly me I had thought that they would have made sure there was a place for everyone they hired.

I also had not known that people who worked there were so obnoxious, like the one who was in charge of tools and did not want to allow me to use any to put a door on the

room I finally found for myself, even though he had more then one, and no one was using any of them.

Or like the other one who worked in the canteen and went out of his way to insult

everyone he served.

Or the other one who ran the kitchen who loved to yell at and bully everyone else.

This guy couldn’t run his own crew properly and he blamed everyone else for his failings (Note; I did not work in the kitchen, thank G-d, I just observed how this guy acted, both in the kitchen and in general).

Well…….That is why my first time in any summer camp, was my last.

When I was a kid, no one I knew had ever heard of allergies to nuts.

Why in the last 40 years are there suddely so many allergies to nuts?

Has anyone asked themselves, what message H-sh-m is sending us when things that

have traditionally been harmless, are suddenly poisonous, to so many people?

I thought I remembered learning somewhere that in some cases (not all cases);

Forgetting Torah might be a consequence of not studying and learning when someone should have been studying and chose not to.

Something like; “If you choose to not learn for on day it will be forgotton two days” meaning that a person would have to work two days, to relearn what he forgot over one day, if he was deliberately negligent in not learning.

Work and other obligations are of course not negligence.

But if someone knew that a certain time, was the time he should have been studying, and deliberately decided it wasn’t important to “bother with”, that would be negligence.

Of course there are many reasons why someone might forget, and each person knows themselves and whether they are learning as much as they should.

And not ‘all’ Goyem, hate Jews, if they did there would be no such a thing as a “righteous Goy” like those who saved Jews during WW2 at the risk of their own lives.

Nor would any want to convert and obviously a decent number do want to convert, despite the halachas of pushing away of potyential converts.

Plenty of non Jews have channels on youtube that are specifically pro Jewish and anti nazi.

Sure there are far more antisemites, but not ‘all’ Gentiles, are antisemites.

If double parking is so bad why do school busses do it every day and collectively block streets in Boro Park for hours at a time?

Some busses stop 3 times on one street and I have been stuck behind some and have been help up for over 1/2 hour just to go one block, which made me late for work.

And it does not help when the mother of a child has to further hold things up by having extensive conversations with the driver while he is the middle of the street, blocking traffic.

I know of one person who used to work where I do and he used his free time to learn computer programming and then he became much more valuable to my boss fixing software problems in the system and finally he started freelancing and now makes far more on the outside as an independent consultant.

Actually now that I think about it, I know of two people from my place who did that and a third one who came already with such knowledge but increase his value through expoerience and learning and went out on his own and now makes at least 3 times what he made, at his old job in the place where I still work.

There are many ways of learning to adcvance your career even if you want to change careers thare are many ways to learn online so your time is not wasted just sitting around or playing games.

Then of course there are websites to study Torah on, as well.

It reminds me of something I heard when I was in yeshivah about a gadol who was asked how he became so great and he responded “in 3 minutes”, which he explained was the 3 minutes waiting in line or waiting while a simcha started or anytime he had a ‘free’ minute he got in just a bit more learning and he had done this in yeshivah inbetween shiruim while others were relaxing and taking it easy.

Ben Levi; How liberal was the Rockefeller wing, compared to today?

That is compared to McCain and his unconstitutional McCain

FineGold anti free speech legislation, for example?

The problem is that since Reagan, too many Republicans have fallen for the scam put up by the Democrats demanding that they have a “big tent” and include anyone who wants t join no matter how liberal they are.

It could be compared le Havdeal Eleph Havdallahs, to alowing anyone to “convert” to Judaism without any real sincerity or going through all the “pushing away” and studying and interviews, they are supposed to endure, to test their sincerity.

If it had gone on for several generations, there would today be almost nothing left or genuine Torah true Judiasm and extremly hard if not impossible to restore the True Torah following, without the core and well tested and established sincere yidden separating themselves from the huge tangled mess and starting all over again.

I will admit that the Republicans have finally taken one step in the right direction by all solidly voting against this health scam bill.

I just have a big question as to how sincere they are in making it a permanent turn around and question how long will it last?

But I think specifically because we have this crises we can’t afford to blow it.

I am afraid if the Republicans from this point on and weaken even slightly this country will cease to exist within 3 years.

You are right about the school system they teach things that even for a Gentile are wrong such as the idea that G-d supposedly cannot exist and they teach it as if it were a scientific and proven fact.

If conservatives pass liberal laws they are liberals as are the liberal laws they have passed.

The mess caused in this country by liberalism (well actually liberalism causes problems everywhere, no liberalism would mean no problems, at least none caused by people deliberately harming otehrs, but for now I am focusing on Americans problems) has been going on, for well over 150 years.

This is why I strongly disagree with Sean Hannity and his claim that we need to stick with the Republican party, no matter what.

They are way too liberal and the liberals have so solidly entrenched themselves in the Republican party that I do not believe the conservatives can ever totally take it back

and as long as there is even a small sliver of liberal support from withing the Republican party it will always eventually wind up the way it was when McCain was running his extremly liberal and very poor campaign.

And when Hannity keeps quoting the great Ronald Reagan, who said that we should work from within the Republican party to make it conservative, it was not nearly as bad as it is today.

It’s like the difference between a minor cut that can be disinfected and bandaged and

a limb G-d forbid, full of Gangrene.

In the first case it can easily be saved and in the second, unfortunately there is no hope in the second case.

Reagan is not around today so we can’t ask him, but I see no rerason to think he would disagree.

All liberal laws ‘ever’ passed would have to be repealed in order for this country to be set right again and the chances of that happening are slim and none

(especially if left to the Repubicans to do, the least libeal Republican has never to my knowledge ever even brought up this concept, let alone supported it, no liberal law (except perhaps slavery, has ever been repealed not by

Republicans or by anyone else)

, and Slim left town.

To FrummyMcFrum who is so bankrupt of any logic or reasoning that in typical liberal fashion all it can do is spout typical liberal mindless insults and name calling (which I had thought was not allowed on this site);

Some states were more loyal to the idea of a preserved union then to slavery but you cannot address my point that if there had never been slavery, there never would have been a civil war, because no state would have had any reason to think they should succeed in the first place.

And I notice that in your “definitions” you did not quote where they came from (perhaps because they are fake definitions?).

And if liberlism is so wonderful and so enlightened, how come every single antisemite who posts anywhere on the internet has ALWAYS been a Bush hating America in Iraq hating liberal and NEVER a Bush supporting America in Iraq supporting conservative?

How come Bush had two Blacks in his cabinet and Bill Clintinn never had any despite his label as “Americas first Black president”?

And how come Obama sat for 20 years listening to Rev Wright for 20 years scream about how ‘evil” America and Whites and Jews all supposedly are?

One vicious Bush hating liberal used to brag how his grandfather was a proud nazi serving his Fuhrer in WW2 and how he wanted all conservatives and all Jews dead, and how “right” he thought his fuhrer was.

And youtube is full of liberals attacking conservatibves and Jews and using the “n” word to refeer to Blacks who they also want to re-enslave.

Tell us all about Obama who told Americans enemies that America “has been arrogant” and his friends like Pentagon terrorist

Bill Ayers who said he “did not do enough damage in his treasonous attacks on this country”.

And further; Tell us all about liberal “social justice” when we are all going to be burdened with a corrupt health scam system while those who impose it on us will be exempt for having to participate in their “wonderful system”.

If slavery had never been the law in the South, the South never would have come to the point of wanting to Succeed from the Union which was the direct cause of the war.

Thus slavery was obviously one of the preceeding causes.

Also note I did not even say in my first post about this what was or was not the ’cause’ anyway.

I just said that it took a Civil war to end it.

But some are obviously more interested in finding excuses to attack others then in

actually understanding the points being made or in having a civil discussion.

How can taxes be raised on so many things and all the people will be forced to pay for this health scam and then the claim is that it will lower the debt?

Perhaps if everyone gets all their money taxed away, to pay for it.

But wait, peoples taxes are supposedly lower.

Can anyone here say their taxes are lower because, of anything Obama did?

And all through 8 years of Bush he was constantly threatened with death by the same ones who also threatened conservatives and Jews.

There is nothing rational about this health scam, system.

Under this scam, people will find it much harder to start a business since when they need employees and cannot afford the massive health insurance they must provide will

have to forget about hiring and if they can’t run the business by themselves, they will just go under (or never start the business in the first place).

The more the government gets involved the higher the insurance will go.

And this will eventually end private insurance companies which is what these anti business communists have wanted all along.

When you tell business “You MUST pay for tens of thousands of dollars per year (or more) in insurance coverage, but you are only allowed to charge a few thousand per year, and anyone with pre-esisting condictions must get full and immediate coverage”

The companies will go out of business under massive debt.

The government has the monopoly and when they demand that someone like me pay thousands of dollars per year it will put me out on the street because I barely make enough to live and government mandated coverage will mean I can’t pay my rent.

This whole scam is nothing more then anti business anti American, Stalinism.

I’m sure many Democrats are on the way out with no chance of winning again.

However? the damage they have done is irreversable.

Even if every single Democrat were out this instant and replaced by Republicans, they still would not REVERSE this vote.

Not one single liberal law has EVER been reversed (except slavery and THAT took a civil war to accomplish) .

This country has taken a header over a cliff and absolutely nothing at this point can stop the inevetable total destruction and disintigration when it hits bottom.

There is absolutely no hope whatsoever, anymore.