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SJSinNYC
Now I understand your position! You think EVERYTHING is a anti women conspiracy!
Arosem I am so glad you have never been abused by feminists or abused in the name of feminism, becuase my life has been ruined by it from childhood till my 20’s or so.
By that time a patters was set then other then stepped in to make sure I could never fix the wreck, my life had become.
Speaking from experience, I have been directly involved with divorced people who were lied about and cheated by their feminist wives.
Since you are (falsly)claiming that not supporting lies by femninists is supposedly “claiming that no abuse exists” which I never said.
By YOUR claims against me your are by that same token claiming that women have never lied in divorces, or abused the court system;
Aside from your outlandish and ignorant claims that women supposedly never abuse the system, and never LIE to judges and courts who are extremly sympathetic to the feminist man hating, aganda;
My factual claims which you cannot refute and which are supported by my two examples that very much apply to the situation of a family and by statistical data, like all the court records which show MASSES of men convicted just because in each of THOSE (not ALL cases, but THOSE many, that I am talking about)
cases, a woman claimed abuse and divorces where the woman was the abuse and the cheater etc…and who still was awarded everything by the pro feminist anti male judge.
A prosecutor who deliberately withholds evidence to promote the feminist agenda in the Duke Lacross case,will do the same thing in divorce cases, so it DOES very clearly, prove my point.
And you claims that the children in most cases are more damaged by parents staying together are refuted by the cghildren themselves who later talk about how they were the ones whi were traumatized and felt guilty that THEIR fighting with their siblings or not always getting the top grades or not keeping their rooms clean enough, was what they as kids, had thought CAUSED the divorce.
This is besides the many many cases where the parents (usually by far, the mother) get custody and then very often uise that time to brainwash the kids into hating the other parent (again by far usually against the father since it is usually the mother, who does it)This happened to my step father and to a frend of mine and I just read about another case (among many that are ut there)where the mother had moved to another state to far for the father who had no money left after paying exhorbitant alimony to take time off from work to visit often.
When he did visit there was always some sudden trip or other thing the mother suddenly had to take the kids to go do so he could not see them then.
She lied that he did not care about them so he supposedly never came.
She kept them out of sports because she was pocketing the money he sent for sports equipment (which was supposed to be taken out of the amlinony that he always paid in full every month) telling them he did not want to show any fatherly love for them.
Years later one fo the boys who he had been very close with before the diviorce with said he never wanted to ever talk to his father again.
That is how messed up he had been by feminist ways.
“They certainly have far more to do with feminism, then with broken engagements.Whatever.”
That is just saying you have no argument, to refute what I said above, but you want it to seem like you do.
“We discussed it over there. In fact, I still have an open question out to you there. Please respond there.”
I have.
Now lets see if you will stick to discussing it, only over there, as you seem to be implying that I supposedly should.
SJSinNYC
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Kasha, divorce shouldn’t be a dirty word at all. There are plenty of marriages that should disolve including:
1) Physical/emotional Abuse
2) Cheating
3) Lying before marriage
4) Drug and alcohol abuse”;;;;;;;;;;;;;
And in Crown Heights or Williamsburg how often does a case like this come up?
Very rarely unless you ARE talking about cases so mild, that they do not qualify as “bad marriages”.
“And probably plenty more. We should support people who get divorced not make it a dirty word.”
I challenge anyone, to find a qualified Rav who will agree with this statement about not making divorce a dirty word.
Often such things are falsly claimed by women (or their families in a few cases) who have ulterior motives for breaking up the marriage, like for example; Where they can cheat the husband out of his business or inheritance.
Sometimes it is because the women want to become secular and so they falsly claim abuse.
Sometimes they falsly claim abuse of the children when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
The feminist controlled courts, almost always side with the women with no m,ore evidence then a false claim by the women.
There are many men (not necessasrily Jews, certainly not all or most are Jews, but some probably are)
sitting in jail for no other reason then women told outright bald faced lies, about the men supposedly ‘abusing them’ and the courts believed them just because of the feminist influence on all of sciety.
A couple of examples prove the point (even though they are nit marriage examples, the same ideas still apply) like;
The Twanna Brawley case, where Al Sharpton used a woman as a false witness to lie that cops had suoposedly abused her and wa dismissed only because of massive publicity on behalf of the cops that embarrassed the judge into dropping the case for lack of evidence.
Another case is the Duke Lacross case where the prosecutor went ahead forcing the case against the innocent boys, and would getting fired for prosecutorial miscinduct, again ONLY because of
months of nationwide publicising of the case on FOX News and Talk radio.
Cases of false charges in marriage are usually more private and les scritinized by conservative media so sometimes such cases can cause an innicent man ti be railroaded into jail on false charges.
When he is telling and encouraging her to think of her career as more important then anything else that is pushing, and like I said, I never heard of a feminist who would marry a man, who would NOT do that.
That’s not pushing. That’s a woman saying “I want to do XYZ” and her husband supporting it.
Pushing would be a man saying to his wife “I want you to go through medical school” even if she doesn’t want to. “;;;;;;;
Supporting would be supporting whatever she wanted to do, pushing
could also be(besides what you said)trying to steer someone into something that she may want to do but need a “push” to get going.
It may not be ‘HARD’ pushing but it most certainly is pushing.
If a someone considering marrying a feminist ‘supported’ her in following Torah more and feminism less, she and her feminist friends would most certainly claim he was ‘holding her back’.
They most likely would tell her to break it off or at least to give it to him for supposedlty ‘seeing women only as objects’.
This clash one way or another could easily cause a break up.
his is a topic for the feminism thread, so I will answer it there.
It really has nothing to do with feminism (your assertions beside the point), but I responded there anyway.
The Wolf ”
They certainly have far more to do with feminism, then with broken engagements.
Wolfishmusings posted ;;;;;;;”In the end, she did both. When the kids were younger, she was a SAHM. Now that my kids are all teens and don’t need the full-time attention as much, she’s pursuing a career.”;;;;;;
This is a topic for the feminism thread, so I will answer it there.
SJSinNYC
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Hereorthere, clearly a career minded woman needs to marry someone who agrees with that philosophy. But you specified For example Feminism is infiltrating the Jewish communitry and often unless the man is going to push the women into becomming a doctor or lawyer or business executive or some other “high powered” career some of them think these days that he will “think of her only as an object”
I’ve never heard of a man PUSHING the woman into a high powered position. “
When he is telling and encouraging her to think of her career as more important then anything else that is pushing, and like I said, I never heard of a feminist who would marry a man, who would NOT do that.
ShragaF I had meant to thank you for letting me know what I was missing in my thinking.
Thanks 🙂
But I repeat; But in that case, wouldn’t a frum novel possibly at some point mention some halacha or something a character learned somewhere and thus make the novel, Assur to read, in such a place?
Mosherose, you are right of course.
I had not thought of that.
But in that case, wouldn’t a frum novel possibly at some point mention some halacha or something a character learned somewhere and thus make the novel, Assur to read, in such a place?
Mischiefmaker I would be surprised if YW Moderator-80, was misquoting Rav Moshe (though I do not ‘know’ for sure).
So if Rav Moshe really said this, what would your Rav say in response?
One thing I do not understand so well.
If people want something ‘frum’ to read, why not study Torah?
Or read the midrash says?
Maybe it has nothing to do with spirits or angels but might be more based on down to Earth, reasons?
For example: Perhaps a baby that looks into mirrors will grow up being vain and could G-d forbid wind up being like some who always have to worry about their looks, and who can’t pass by a mirror without admiring themselves?
So if as babies, they are taught not to look at mirors, perhaps they might be less likely to get that characteristic of being so vain, and self absorbed, later on in life?
Squeak LOL
SJSinNYC I never heard of a feminist who would marry a man who would not say “go do it, get that high career climb the next rung of the ladder, your career is more important then anything else in life” and the like.
It is not that I am “comfortable” with a big range it is just that if I am too poor to KEEP it at 40 degrees I can tolerate it up to about 70 (if the humidity stays low) so if I can get down to that and it takes a long time to get back up to that, I save electricity.
That would be way too hot for my fridge. milk spoils way too fast for me at 40 degrees.
I try and keep it at around 33 degrees.
Ice cold milk is a Mechiaya that can’t be beat 🙂
If on Shabbos I need several fans going even according to you 4 fans would be like two light bulbs going and everyone I know worries about making sure even one bulb does not stay on longer then necessary.
Places I eat for shabbos often have bulbs on timers going off before the meal ends and we have to bentsch in the semi darkness.
If I had the money I would make my place like walk in fridge, i’d also have a horse ranch with thousands of acres and a large swimming pool.
In my present place I do not have control over the electricity and I do not have even a single dedicated line just for my use.
Anything that anyone can learn online?
Just vocational like learning electronics?
Torah courses?
College courses?
You need to say more about what you are looking for.
Chazal take a very dim view of not raising children properly by those who think being a good feminist is more important.
If you hate gambling don’t do it.
What do you want from me?
If you are a compulsive gambler I can’t help you.
I am not an addiction counselor and even if I were I couldn’t help you over the internet.
I’m sorry.
Also make sure you know every second where your kid is even inside a store.
Someone can be in one aisle and in two seconds the kid can walk around the next asile and be out of sight where G-d forbid anything can happen.
Do not leave strollers unattended, even inside.
Would you leave your money unattended, even for a second?
There is a big difference between knowing if the potential Chasson is compassionate and helps other people or if the potential Kallah is careful with Tznius, and trying to “remedy”
someone gettimg annoyed because they ‘clink’ their coffee cup too loudly or too often with their soon.
Researching the potential mate, finds out the necessary things before the first date, (and the dating itself helps find that out as long as it is short and intensive) and “therapy” usually just harps on making the less important things, into mountains that are then too big to climb.