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Ubiq -“Evolution is how species develop from other earlier life forms over time.”
You’re correct as the biological definition, but my comment was on WS’s post. The Yeshiva world understands a different meaning of “evolution”. That’s why they don’t teach it!
HealthParticipantWS -“I was once talking to someone about MRSA and referred to it as evolution”
I understand why you called it that, but it didn’t really evolve, like the word evolution. In other words, it’s not something from nothing!
HealthParticipantAvi K -“We are the tzaddikim of the generation”
Who appointed you a Tzaddik – your mommy?!?
HealthParticipantAvi K -“You wrote “Important note: there is a large in-between category not mentioned in this paragraph, namely those who do not observe – or even commit some sins – but without the malicious intent of heresy. Lashon Hara against someone in this middle category is forbidden. Do you then admit that today’s non-observant are not in the above category as they lack malicious intent”
I agree with this statement. But the so-called “religious Zionists” are Not included in the above category!
HealthParticipantMD95 -“How can I get it too? THINK FIRST”
You’re joking! Just Don’t speed! If you just made a mistake, follow my advice that I posted above.
HealthParticipantAvi K -“How do I know when you post something in Hebrew that it is a faithful rendition?”
Why not? Don’t you speak Hebrew? If s/o doesn’t, they can learn!
HealthParticipant2scents -“Of course no one hired you to teach medicine and based on what you write no one will ever do that!”
I wouldn’t take the job, unless I could make sure that they do what’s right! I don’t want to be an accessory.
HealthParticipantUbiq -“out of curiosity, Did you look this up before you started the thread or did you search for it afterwards?”
I answered this above! By changing the wording, doesn’t change the meaning.
HealthParticipantUbiq -“sorry to bother you but a few questions
1) First and formost, aAre yous ure you spelled the neame correctly a google search only reveales a 92 page report ojn invistigating mechanical casues (not medical) of an accident.
Are you sure regarding tuitle, can you please proivide author, or publisher to make it easier to find?”
Spell out the abbreviations & you’ll be able to find it. It’s also on Google books.
“2) you realize you arent providing a book that says “there is a difference between 1 & 2″ at least regarding medical causes. Right? (in fact it isnt even a book, where you telling the truth when you said this?”
According to Merriam – Webster dictionary a magazine is one the definitions of “Book!
Again your whole post is geared towards proving me wrong!
Are you really a doctor?!?
HealthParticipantPBA -“lol we’re still on this”
Of course we are, because no one hired me yet to teach EMS medicine!
HealthParticipantUbiq – Here is the proof that you’ve been waiting Impatiently for:
Name of book:
“ID for general risk management of counter measures of MVA.”
Page 172
“The noncontact vehicle (NCV) will generally not leave skid marks.” In other words – a single vehicle accident!
From the magazine EMS World:
“If there are no skid marks, the question of why the patient did not attempt to stop indicates a possible pre-event condition like hypoglycemia, CVA, ETOH use, etc. Medical causes of a MVC are often recognized late in patient care.”
HealthParticipantAvi K – What’s the point in bringing a book that translates the C.C.? IDK if it’s even a exact translation!
HealthParticipantAvi K -” You have made a contention against my sources. “
In Sefer Chofetz Chaim, it says, that you can speak bad & hate certain Jews. Klal 8 # 5.
HealthParticipantAvram – “You’ll have to be patient. Health is writing the textbook now, and won’t know what the final title is until after it’s come back from the publisher.”
Very Funny! But it’s not so funny when you need EMS.
What would you do if you needed EMS or Hatzolah and the one(s) that came were incompetent?!?
HealthParticipantUbiq -“It wouldeve been easier to just tell me the name of any book that says “There is a difference between 1&2”
No, it wouldn’t have! Because I had to research it myself.
“How long can that take?”
I already answered that – “I’ll try for next week.” That would be this week, sometime soon!
“how long is the title?”
I’ll post the title, with everything else.
HealthParticipantAvi K – It’s all over the Sefer Chafetz Chaim. Open one up.
HealthParticipantUbiq -“Whoah slow down. Earlier you admited this was your own chiddush.”
“There isn’t time to do it at every MVA, but it’s imperative at least to do it at a 1 car MVA!”
“Is this what the book said (what book?) or is this your own chiddush? (for the fifth time)”
“My own.”
All I said was the top line was my own, Not that there is a difference or not!
Why didn’t you understand that??
“”I’ll try for next week.””
“I’m excited Though if easier, all i really want is the name of ONE book
that says “there is a difference between 1 & 2”
“Is that too much to ask?”
YES!! Why can’t you wait till I have time? I’m Not getting paid for this info.
HealthParticipantstam a deya – “Before Taplin it was Ben Tzion David. Look him up”
I agree with you. I doubt it was Taplin.
HealthParticipantAvi K – “Mdd, that does not apply in our time (Chazon Ish Yoreh Deah 2,16 and see also Rambam Hilchot Mamrim 3,3 and Rema Yoreh Deah 340,5). Even in Chazal’s time it only applied where one was a witness to an aveira. If that applied in our time we would all have to hate each other”
The Chofetz Chaim holds it even applies in our day & age!
HealthParticipantROB -“Health: Trump has every right to propagate his fascist views but a fascist he still is-see mw13 posting just above-“
He’s not a fascist! Just because it’s in 1 definition, doesn’t mean it’s in all!
“and he is the most dangerous man in the US right now.”
Wrong! Obama is!
“If elected -chas vesholom- he will become a one man dictator within months.”
He’s not like all the DemonKrats, that were elected Pres.!
“If you cannot see that your proposal to dismantle the medinah and give it over to Arabs condemn millions of jews to slavery and death,”
Enough with your Zionist lies & scare tactics! Are they all in slavery or in the grave in Yemen or Iran?!?
“By hating Israel , you are , of course, denying one of the ikrei emunah,namely the arrival of Melech Hamoshiach.”
Believing Zionism is the beginning of the Geula, is Kefirah!
HealthParticipantROB -“Health: Now i know why you are supporting Trump!”
Why do you make up stories? Is it because your liberalism is affecting your mind?
BTW, I like Bush, but I’m defending Trump’s right to free speech!
Do you think only the leftists have that right? To call s/o that doesn’t think like them a fascist?!?
“Both of you give strength to the enemies of the Jews ,namely the Arabs.”
Wrong! The ones who give strength to our enemies is the Zionists, by their rebellion against Hashem! And the Zionist’s belief in appeasement, such as giving back GAZA & the West Bank!
“Both of you seem to hate the state of israel”
So what’s wrong with that? You’re supposed to hate Reshayim!!!
HealthParticipantUbiq -“I’m sorry I dont follow. You said that medical conditions only need to be considred with one car (you later changed to at least need to be considered”
For the umteenth time, that was just a response to a poster. It was why I personally picked one car over two! But there is a difference between 1 & 2 that’s written in books. Some people need to have more than two cents before they practice medicine!
“Is this not what you meant?” Yes, obviously. Do you do that to your wife also?
“Do you have an approximate time frame for when itll be available?”
I’ll try for next week. I’m looking forward to the spin you & other so-called medical personnel will put on it!
HealthParticipantNeville ChaimBerlin
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HealthParticipantUbiq -“But at that point you seemed to be saying that the only time a 1 car accident was “more probable” to be the result of drunk driving was late at night but during the day with two cars it wa sno mor likely (super sorry if I misunderstood,”
I was responding to this:
“Feivel -“What though makes you think an impaired driver in traffic is more likely to veer off the road and hit a pole or something rather than hit another car or cause another car to hit him?”
“Not “in traffic”! From my personal experience, the impaired driver (e.g. a drunk), after the bar closes, go into their car. At this time it’s late at night when there is no or not a lot of traffic around.
But you’re right – it’s not more likely to hit a tree than a car when there is traffic around”
About why I decided there was a difference between 1 & 2 cars.
I wasn’t talking about the reality between 1 & 2.
“I knew it from many years ago. Your posts are getting more illogical!”
“How? (for the third time)
and how did you expect others to research it?”
The research that I was talking about I haven’t posted yet.
I’ll post it when I have the time!
HealthParticipantMW13 -“And here I was thinking I had finally found a topic that nobody could tie into Zionism. But apparently on the YWCR that’s never the case.
You are far more obsessed with Zionism than any Zionist I have ever met”
There’s nothing wrong with being obsessed with Zionism. It’s Avoda Zora, but even if it’s not, at least it’s based on Kefirah.
Every Frum Jew should be opposed to it!
How come your Not?!?
HealthParticipantUbiq -“(you also severely limited your case to late at night when there is no traffic, these limitations were not in the OP)”
What are you talking about?!? You are clueless!
“How did you know it before you researched it?”
I knew it from many years ago. Your posts are getting more illogical!
“nope you also admitted that there isn’t actually a difference (i.e. in practice, which is what this thread first was about (or at least seemed to be)), but rather you believe there should be”
Look EMS should always look for medical causes, but they don’t! And this was the purpose of this topic. I theorized they should at least look for medical causes at a single MVA! This is for all the time, 24/7.
HealthParticipantUbiq -“Is this logical to you? you make a statement, bully people who ask for response and you havent even researched it yourself in other words you werent sure it was correct?”
Wrong again! I knew it in my mind, but couldn’t prove it – till now.
The only one who’s doing any bullying is you.
“since then pretty much every stamentyouve made in this thread was either factually incorrect, illogical or both!”
The only thing I admitted was I used the word “only” and it was an exaggeration, but the rest was factual.
HealthParticipantRob -“Health: If you quote someone,do it accurately. Trump did NOT put any qualifier on his ban of ALL Moslems. He said “until we know what is gong on” which means never. He also asked to ban ALL Moslems, including citizens. Under intense attack, he softened his stance slightly but he is the same bigot he has always been.”
I’m not a mind reader like you! IDK that it means Never! It’s funny how the libs are attacking Trump, and Not the Demoncrats. The libs gave us a total of 8 years of Obama and the country is not any safer than it was before 9/11. What I do know is that if he was really the fascist like the libs say, he’d be calling for expulsion of all Muslims!
This is a quote from CNN:
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”
“An, what has all this to do with Zionism???? Actually, your position on israel is the anti-thesis of Trump; you want the Moslems to take over israel!!!”
Obviously you don’t know my position on Israel because you’re to busy putting it down and screaming your Zionist views!
I believe that main thing that should be done is to protect Jews!
Either give it all to the Arabs or get rid of them from Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.
HealthParticipantTo all: The same Zionists who post on YWN are criticizing Trump!
What is it you all went to the same Communist or Socialist school?!?
BTW, one thing you have in common – that you are all liars! All he said was to ban Muslims, temporarily. This is to start getting a hold of what’s going on in this world!
The libs believe the Terrorism is ending, just give in to them. But in reality it’s the Beginning. Wake Up Libs!!!
HealthParticipantUbiq-“Do you mean to say at the time you posted this thread, you hadnt even researche dit yet, and were “conned” into researching your own theory after my prodding?”
Of course I had it in my mind before I started this topic. But I never figured s/o would grill me on it!
This is what I meant by -“Look you conned me to research it myself, but I had posted on the first page s/o else should do it!”
“No, but if i note a glaring factual error or illogical argument I often point it out.”
Look I made some mistakes, but what do you claim is
“a glaring factual error or a illogical argument”?!?
HealthParticipantUbiq -“Health I’m so confused.
Why is it a problem with copyright? You do know that quoting an excerpt from a book is not a copyright violation (furthermore I doubt the material can even be copyrighted)”
Look IDK copyright laws, so I’m being Machmer!
“At any rate,
Does it mention a difference based on the number of cars/vehicles involved?”
Look you conned me to research it myself, but I had posted on the first page s/o else should do it! It wasn’t my responsibility to teach anything to EMS or Hatzolah. Why are you interested in this topic anyway? Do you just look for topics to find problems? Do you attribute these problems because it’s a Yeshiva site?!?
Anyways, I’ll post my research which I did, when I have the time!
HealthParticipantTo E/O:I got this from Wiki pedia. I first looked it up in the ATLS manual. It basically says the same thing, but it’s a problem with copyright. Just ask Ubiq.
“Disability/Neurologic assessment
During the primary survey a basic neurological assessment is made, known by the mnemonic AVPU (alert, verbal stimuli response, painful stimuli response, or unresponsive). A more detailed and rapid neurological evaluation is performed at the end of the primary survey. This establishes the patient’s level of consciousness, pupil size and reaction, lateralizing signs, and spinal cord injury level.
The Glasgow Coma Scale is a quick method to determine the level of consciousness, and is predictive of patient outcome. If not done in the primary survey, it should be performed as part of the more detailed neurologic examination in the secondary survey. An altered level of consciousness indicates the need for immediate reevaluation of the patient’s oxygenation, ventilation, and perfusion status. Hypoglycemia and drugs, including alcohol, may influence the level of consciousness. If these are excluded, changes in the level of consciousness should be considered to be due to traumatic brain injury until proven otherwise.”
HealthParticipant2scents -“Are for real?”
I just think, & sometimes it’s out of the box!
“Give sugar for a comatose trauma patient? I guess TBI is of no concern to you?!”
Funny! So you wouldn’t give dextrose to a pt. whose BGL is 30?!?
Oh, that’s right you don’t check glucose levels?!!
“Unresponsive Trauma patients do not come in to the ER with Dextrose bags hanging or with narcan on board. In fact there is no coma protocol in EMS (at least NY and the surrounding states) EMS should assess and if they find a problem refer to the appropriate protocol as a guideline and treat accordingly.”
Oh that’s right – you can’t save the pt. unless you have a written protocol!!!
That’s why I wrote at the beginning of the topic:
“ok there is a difference in the assessment between a 1 car accident and a multi- car crash. In any car crash, even though there’s the possibility of a medical cause, it’s Not probable!
But in 1 car crash, it has to be treated as a medical call, along with trauma.
HealthParticipantDY -“So talk about recent model vehicles – if deep down they know it’s true for all vehicles, maybe they’ll follow it for recent models.”
That’s funny. I know nothing about recent models. I never owned a recent model car. I’m not from the rich folks!
HealthParticipantDY – They might take me seriously because deep down they know to look for medical causes at every MVA. So they might remember this blog about a single MVA.
HealthParticipantDY -“If they won’t listen to an anonymous poster, why would they implement it”
Of course they won’t do it because I said so. But maybe they’ll read this post and at least check for medical causes at a single MVA!
HealthParticipant2scents -“Btw, whoever mentioned narcan for AMS, really doesnt know emergency medicine, assuming that the only presenting medical is AMS the patient should NOT get narcan, as long as the patient as a patent airway and spontaneously breathing with no cardiovascular compromise.”
Who says?? You?? Prove it! According to Wiki EM (from Harbor MC) the coma protocol is still in effect. That means you give sugar, vitamin B1 & narcan.
I think that this thread is a very important thread, when someone like 2scents, establishes themselves as a medical provider and provides medical advice it is very important to expose them for who they really are.
Its dangerous when one has an online persona as a medical authority so whatever they write should be accepted at face value!
HealthParticipantDY -“Why don’t you just say that they should always follow protocol?”
That’s very funny! If they don’t listen to the book, they’re going to listen to an anonymous poster?!?
So I came up with a practical solution that they can implement.
Just search for medical causes at a single MVA.
HealthParticipantDaasYochid -“If you’re basing your approach on statistics which specifically distinguish between cars and SUVs and pickup trucks, you had better be more specific”
What don’t you understand? I wasn’t arguing on the protocol. But since a lot of providers don’t seem to follow it, I surmised at least they should follow it when it’s a 1 vehicle crash! It doesn’t matter which type of vehicle.
HealthParticipantGamanit -“Ummm… I think right now EMTs do bear in mind in all trauma situations whether there may have been a medical cause.”
Ummm – No Way! It sounds like you are trying to do what’s right, no matter what others are doing.
HealthParticipantDY -“More like 100% inaccurate”
What you too??? You’re joining the bad crowd??
E/o says car accident, not vehicle!
HealthParticipantDY -“Your OP was about a car accident, not a vehicle accident.”
When you start a topic, e/o talks/writes the way you converse, not exactly 100% accurate!
HealthParticipantUbiq- “Lie! you theroized they should ONLY do it at single MVA’s”
When I said “only”, it wasn’t 100% accurate.
“This is only for a single car accident.”
Starting to think that the only purpose that you post on YWN is to knock down Frum people! I don’t think that you know anything about medicine.
But I made sure that no one would think it was 100% accurate!
From page 3
“IDK if you have treated accident victims, but I have.
The book says -“Trauma – Are there medical causes? (e.g. diabetes, CVA, MI, etc.)”
I haven’t seen anyone look for medical causes in MVA’s. From before – “There isn’t time to do it at every MVA, but it’s imperative at least to do it at a 1 car MVA!”
HealthParticipantUbiq -“you really think Ubiq will admit that he was incorrect?”
I dont. But I find it fascinating when a person can be shown to be wrong in black and white using his own words agaisnt him. over and over and over (and on several different points) and still inist he is right.
It truly amazes me. Discussions thta are merely a difference of opininon dont interest me as much, since we can agree to disagree.
HealthParticipantDY -“According to IIHS, there were actually more deaths from multiple-car accidents than single-car accidents in 2013, 6,975 to 5,664”
So what’s your point? Your not in medicine, are you? This whole thread started because No one checks for medical causes at every MVA. So I theorized at least they should do it at single MVA’S. It was based on death rates of single vehicles. Why would you change that because cars have a different statistic?
HealthParticipant2scents – I already made my point, you really think Ubiq will admit that he was incorrect?
It’s apparent from his & your posting that he & you will never retract, defending your so called degree in medicine and make sure to have the last word.
HealthParticipantUbiq -“About which part was I wrong?”
This part:
“You also said that it was something that could be “researched” i.e. that it wasnt your own chiddush – turns out that too is a lie”
What I quoted from Avram was after I quoted from IIHS:
This what I meant by “research it”!
But your whole goal is to put me down, so you ignored that posts that I’ve posted a few times!
HealthParticipantUbiq – “Do you know the purpose of this thread?”
Obviously you don’t!
IDK who you are fooling, but it’s not me!
Here is MW definition:
“3 : something continuous or drawn out: as
a : a line of reasoning or train of thought that connects the parts in a sequence (as of ideas or events) <lost the thread of the story>
b : a continuing element
c : a series of newsgroup messages following a single topic”
So there is more than one THREAD!
“These are YOUR quotes”
The word THREAD over there meant something else.
In other words there are at least 2 threads here!
HealthParticipantUbiq -“you posted that “difference” and i replied how it isnt relevent to the subject at hand.
How on earth does the fact that more deaths from single MVA’s prove that a medical issue is the most likely cause?”
LOL! You missed the point! I wasn’t trying to prove that. Do you know the purpose of this thread? It wasn’t to tell e/o that they should check for medical causes at every trauma, because that’s what the book says. It was to deal with the reality that they don’t. So I suggested at least check for medical causes at a single MVA.
It makes sense to pick single MVA’s because they’re more deaths:
“From IIHS: Deaths from single MVA’s 2013 – 10,950
*********Deaths from multiple MVA’s 2013 – 10,318″
“Well, I guess that is the closest youll get to manning up and admitting you were wrong and dishonest”
When are you gonna Man up & admit that you’re Wrong?!?
HealthParticipant2scents -“Just in case you are interested, MVAs (single and Multi car MVAs) are all included in the Trauma category, as with all trauma Pts the providers should (if appropriate) rule out any possible medical causes. this has nothing to do with your statement of a single car accident”
I made a mistake trying to teach you & some others anything. Do you know the purpose of this thread? It wasn’t to tell e/o that they should check for medical causes at every trauma, because that’s what the book says. It was to deal with the reality that they don’t. So I suggested at least check for medical causes at a single MVA.
And you’re calling me a “big fool”!?!
LOL
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