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JF2 -“It is true that the AMA’s policy manual simply states that they are opposed to conversion therapy, without giving a reason why or directly stating there that the therapy does not work. However, if you look at other materials and statements produced by the AMA, it is patently obvious that their stance is that the therapy is ineffective, and has even been shown to be damaging and harmful”
I actually wasted my time and Googled it!
One of the things that came up is this topic in the CR. Yay us!
The other thing that came up was an article from AMA Journal of Ethics:
“5]. A comprehensive review of the evidence about conversion therapy in 2007 by the American Psychological Association concluded that there was no evidence showing that SOCE had any impact on adult sexual orientation or gender identity and that these therapies were often based on developmental theories with questionable validity [6]. More importantly, conversion therapy may cause harms that include depression, anxiety, and self-destructive behavior, fostered by the negative self-image that these efforts create [6]. “
You’re unbelievable with your manipulation!
That article is based on the APA, not the AMA!
But you’re doing a good job fooling people with your Gay bias!
JF2 -“Obviously, both partners should try very hard to avoid divorce. They should go to counseling and spend a lot of time communicating to work on their issues. Divorce should be a last resort.”
Your post is true, but hardly anyone listens! A lot of people think I got a raw deal and things will be better next time.
Who says it will be better?
ARWSF -“A friend of mine asked me to help her write a Shidduch Resume for her, she is divorced.”
Why are so many people divorced? And if you say – why are you? The answer is – it wasn’t my idea!
For the people who was their idea, who said that the second time will be better?!?
Sparkly -“health – maybe they met when they were teens and had no idea what they were doing. but im referring to the ones who met at a normal age and got married at a normal age”
Obviously you don’t know what the normal age is & that’s why you started a topic on that!
Btw, Chassidim get married when they’re teen-agers.
And the marriage works out!
Look, you obviously need a mentor. If you can’t use your parents, find a teacher or Rabbi to help you!
Sparkly -“health – im not trying to make up assumptions about you and your marriage im just trying to think why youd talk the way you talk. (once again this is posting since its not a one on one conversation i cant be certain im understanding you right.)”
You can’t understand me even with a one on one. Why do you think you have to understand me – we don’t even know each other?
“Just when i hear someone didnt spend too much time with their wive and got divorced it makes it sound like empty nest syndrome or you werent in it for her only your children.”
Just that you didn’t hear that. For some reason you put words in and then you tried to analyze them!
“(which is why im a little against shidduchim since i will be marrying a guy who i know WELL and i love while in shidduchim you got out on a few dates barely know the person and get married. i mean im not THAT desperate to get married.”
I know a guy who does Gittin – and the most ones are the MO’s, not the Chassidish!
The trick in marriage is to listen, and not talk too much!
Ever since you came to YWN – you posted on many topics.
Sparkly -” i have taken psychology classes and i have life experience.”
So with all that – you now are entitled to make up stories about me and my marriage?!?
Btw, you’re not even close to assessing my thought process!
Also, do you have a degree in anything at all?
Charlie -“Yes, Clinton was exonerated by multiple Republican led congressional investigations. They spent millions and could not find anything to pin on her.”
Charlie – we had this conversation in the other topic. Do you think by posting in another one, e/o forgets? I’ll remind e/o. From Trump vs. Clinton:
“squeak -Hillary is a hands on murderer. Whether its actively bumping off whitewater threats or taxi drivers in NY, or through negligence by ignoring impending terror threats, she has more layers of blood than skin on her hands.
Hillary is a liar. She says whatever works in the moment, whether its defending her husband or pretending snipers attacked her. Today she says Israel is her priority, tomorrow she’s kissing Arab terrorists.
Hillary is as corrupt and as buyable as they come, whether its selling pardons for votes or taking absurb fees for speaking from wall street companies. There is nothing she w9nt do for the right price.
If anyone is a potential mussolini, its her. Imagine if Hitler came to power while whe was president. Do you think she would oppose him or befriend him? Only blindness or expeftation of personal gain could bring you to vote for her.”
“Health
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Ctlawyer -“I made a statement that Trump is worse than Hillary., in the end the Marines are DOD employees, not State. That’s what I pointed out.”
This isn’t a court of law! Trump is Not guilty of negligence that caused the death of an ambassador & other Americans!
“It doesn’t matter if the Secy of Defense knew of the danger or not”
It does matter – it absolves him of negligence. OTOH, it was Hillary’s responsibility to protect the embassy in Libya!”
YM1 -“ur allowed to say loshon hora about a goy kaal v’chomer if it will affect “
Btw, you don’t need a Rabbi to become Jewish.
As far as I know she is Shomer Torah and Mitzvos. Maybe not totally Tzinus, but that wouldn’t be Mevatel Geirus!
You’re one of the reasons why they should do away with Bein HaZemanim!
How many Blatt did you learn after Pesach, 4 or 5?!?
So you were just Oiver Mozay Shem Ra during the 3 weeks!
Why didn’t you wait for the Nine days?!?
Quick! Dr. Middos! Get over here, quick!
Sparkly -“charlie hall – are you mo?”
He’s more than MO – he’s Open Orthodox!
Sparkly -” but it sounds like thats the reason why its called empty nest syndrome. you probably married off most or all of your children and didnt have a good enough relationship with your wife and you got divorced since you were in it for the kids not the spouse.”
Wow! You’re the first. You know that I married off most of my kids and I was in it for my kids and not for my spouse?!?
Are you married? Did you ever get married?
Just FYI, I didn’t marry off most of my kids.
But keep living in your little dream world!
I truly hope – you’ll one day wake up!
Sparkly -“health – if someone says i used to means they probably dont have that thing anymore in your situation you got divorced is what it sounded like.”
I already posted that I got divorced.
“also everyone knows if your all in it for the kids and not for the spouse likely theyll be a divorce.”
Stop making up stories! Especially if you never met me!
SO -“address list (do they have something like that? A do not disturb list?).”
No they don’t! They just go door – door!
“I didn’t know what to do.”
Teach your kid – to ask who it is and not to open the door to strangers!
Sparkly -“health – the way you stated it was like you didnt have a good relationship with your wife.”
“The way I stated” – what?
Are you a mind reader now?!?
JF2 -“That…doesn’t say what you think it says. It tells you what conversion therapy was designed to do. Conversion therapy as a treatment for homosexuality is, by definition, based on the assumption that homosexuality is a disease or disorder. Otherwise there would be nothing to “treat””
Actually your misrepresenting what they’re saying!
This is from a website called Faith in America:
If anyway it implied what you’re saying – they would spell it out!
They’re a pro-gay site.
“American Medical Association (2003)
American Psychiatric Association (1998)
They do bring other organizations that are more pro – gay.
Those two aren’t!
What they’re saying don’t force s/o to change from being gay because they aren’t all crazy.
If they want to change, they can!
Sparkly -“also maybe thats why you got divorced like how you said when i was married because you didnt have a good enough close relationship with your wife.”
As far as I know, I never met you in my life! But you know that I didn’t have a close relationship with my wife?!?
Yes, I said I got divorced. So tell me how many years I was married for?!?
Maybe you misunderstood – “I spent more time with my kids then my wife,”
I spent more time with my kids – then my wife did.
Sam2 -“Mods what was the point in allowing Health’s last line through”
OK Sam – they removed it for you!
“Health: Are you unable to make a point without stooping to an irrelevant insult”
That was very relevant!
No one, including you, have cleared up the AMA’s actual position!
YM1 -“BTW his daughter is not jewish according to the rabbinute so that’s “
How do you know that? I think you just were Oiver Mozay Shem Ra!
Just because Rabbi Lookstein can’t do Geirus, doesn’t mean she isn’t Jewish!
Are you a Poisek?
WS -“doesn’t do much for your saying that it’s only an opinion.”
Why not? That’s my opinion on what I’ve seen! You can disagree and many here have! I have life experience, do you?
“And the statistic is interesting, though I’d want to see more of the study, but that could be adjusted for if, for example, the mother is the one more often in “parent mode” with the child”
Actually the newspaper or the study themselves try to defend it.
But the fact remains women scream more than men!
Young Girl – when I was married – I spent more time with my kids then my wife, but I hardly had to resort to yelling!
JF2 -“Health, what are you talking about? The AMA says that conversion therapy does NOT work.”
And where does it say that?
I quoted from them above:
From the AMA’s website:
“the use of “reparative” or “conversion” therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.”
The obvious implication is that it works! Just you shouldn’t call gay people crazy or force them to change!
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Sparkly -“health – so no evidence no truth just opinion. you stated it like a fact and thats why you were arguing above with people about your opinion”
Start growing up! This is an opinion site. Look around at all the posts.
But just to humor you, I did a web search!
From the UK Telegraph 2014:
“The study involves an analysis of more than 5,000 two-parent families with a view to understanding how the adult relationships affect those of their children. It throws up statistics such as this one: mothers are 16 per cent more likely than fathers to shout at their children.”
Ben Levi -“And please do not point to the AMA again”
Why not? They implied conversion therapy works!
It’s just that the APA bought into the PC!
JF2 -“The current consensus among leading medical experts is that sexual orientation is hardwired at birth”
What proof do you have?
SL -“That is why I did not speak definitively, and said nobody else should either.”
Now there is a difference between a theory and observational study.
He has a physical study. Although it’s not foolproof, his observations are more likely to be correct than yours!
Sparkly -“Health – and how do you know this? wheres the statistic?”
I didn’t say I had statistical proof. This is my opinion!
Do you know the difference?
SL -“I’m not so sure there aren’t people people born with predilections to murder or shoplifting”
Well there are people who are sure! J. Fallon is a neuropsychologist who has proven that he and others can be born a psychopath!
JF2 -“Health and Ben Levi:
Conventional science and medicine has rejected conversion therapy. No credible, reputable association or institution will make the claim that sexual orientation can be changed or that conversion therapy works.”
Stop with your liberal lies!
I’m actually surprised that YWN lets you post here, because you’re pushing the gay agenda which is against the Torah!
From the AMA’s website:
“the use of “reparative” or “conversion” therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.”
The obvious implication is that it works! Just you shouldn’t call gay people crazy or force them to change!
ZD -“However the past Jerusalem parade became some sort of connection to a murder and people were protesting a murder as well, who murdered someone in the name of hate”
Are you condoning this parade because s/o got killed in the last one?
Are you for real?!?
2scents -“so much that it is left to wonder why she is not prosecuted.”
It’s good that she wasn’t prosecuted, because if ch’vs, she becomes president, we can now impeach her, like her hubby!
Ubiq -“Health -Thanks! Got it”
You’re welcome!
Ubiq -“Reparative therapy has essentially been debunked and proven to cause a lot of pain, trauma and damage.”
“Stop with the PC garbage in our day and age”
I dont follow, you responded to that with “Being gay, if you want to be Dan L’caf Zecus, is a Mental Disorder.
If not, they are Resashyim Gemurrim!”
Do you mind elaborating? He says Reparative therapy doesnt work. To which you reply It is either a mental disorder or they are resahim?”
“Reparative therapy has essentially been debunked and proven to cause a lot of pain, trauma and damage.”
To which I answered:
“Stop with the PC garbage in our day and age”
The rest is just me, I’m not responding to WriterSoul, per se!
Sparkly -“men and women scream as much as one another.”
No they don’t!! That’s the average, women more than men, whether you believe it or not.
JF2 -“Which later posts? What sources? I don’t “clearly see” anything at all.”
I realize that! You only see what you want to see – namely with your gay bias!
I’ll repeat it: “Why don’t you rebutt Ben Levi’s post of -“The fall 2012 issue of Dialogue features a 21 page article from Elon Karten etc.?!?”
“If you believe the conclusions of the American Medical Associational to be nothing more than “popular opinion” and “PC”, then I really don’t know what else there is to say.”
Obviously you love to misconstrue what they said – I wonder why!
From the AMA’s website:
“the use of “reparative” or “conversion” therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.”
If you read my post – Jewish Feminist – I wrote – “Being gay, if you want to be Dan L’caf Zecus, is a Mental Disorder.
If not, they are Resashyim Gemurrim!”
There is nothing in that statement – that contradicts the AMA!
JF2 -“The fact is that nearly every professional medical association out there (American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, etc) has disavowed conversion therapy. You have to be a serious conspiracy theorist (looking at you, mentsch1) in order to believe otherwise (and, Time for Truth “ask any old mashgiach” is not a reputable source, sorry.”
Clearly your gay bias has affected your posts! You rebutted my post with “ask any old mashgiach”.
Why don’t you rebutt Ben Levi’s post of -“The fall 2012 issue of Dialogue features a 21 page article from Elon Karten etc.?!?
Probably because you can’t!!!
WS -“Reparative therapy as a broad-based effective treatment has been debunked.”
As you can clearly see from later posts that conversion therapy does work. And they bring opinions that what you believe, by quoting the popular opinion, is just based on the PC!
Following the PC, in this case, is against the Torah!
Btw, I’m in the medical field, not the psychological field!
Mods -“I don’t find humor in your name calling”
“It has been widely discredited. You are absolutely off your rocker if you think this is in any way political.”
When she implied that I’m off my rocker – Why did you delete my post and not her’s?
iacisrmma-“Really? Men don’t shout?”
They do; but not as much as women!
JF -“It is proven scientific fact.”
What is?
“Conversion therapy, moreover, can be harmful and dangerous, resulting in higher rates of anxiety, depression, and suicide among patients who enroll in the so-called therapy.”
A lot of things depends on who is doing it and the reception of the client.
“It has been widely discredited. You are absolutely off your rocker if you think this is in any way political.”
Mods – Why did you delete my post and not her’s?
I don’t find humor in your name calling
Ubiq -“Just becasue it a mental disorder doesnt mean it is curable.”
I didn’t say it was! I just quoted from NARTH!
“You can call it what you want that doesnt change anything WS wrote. Though I meant my comment in reference to WS’s comment to which Health was responding.”
You’re too busy with putting me down that you didn’t pay attention to what I was responding to!
This is what I was responding to:
“Reparative therapy has essentially been debunked and proven to cause a lot of pain, trauma and damage.”
WS -“Reparative therapy has essentially been debunked and proven to cause a lot of pain, trauma and damage.”
Stop with the PC garbage in our day and age!
It’s a tremendous Chutzpah that you and others are allowed to post on a Frum website!
From Nicolosy’s website:
“A crucial turning point in the history of LGBT political activism was the decision by the American Psychiatric Association in 1973 to declare that homosexuality was no longer considered a mental disorder:
The late Dr Charles Socarides, clinical professor of psychiatry and a founder of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, documented in detail the history behind the APA decision from a firsthand-witness vantage point. Along with a few other prominent psychiatrists including Irving Bieber, he tried to prevent the APA change, but their attempts were ignored or dismissed.”
Being gay, if you want to be Dan L’caf Zecus, is a Mental Disorder.
If not, they are Resashyim Gemurrim!
Simcha613 -“I’m getting the vibe that people here would feel more sympathy for someone who is a mamzer than for someone who is gay.”
There’s nothing wrong with being a Mamzer. I believe most gays became that way. They weren’t born that way!
“Being gay is more than just a desire, but in the same way our spouses complete us in emotional and psychological ways, a gay person wants the same sort of emotional and psychological companionship.”
If what you’re saying has any truth to it – then the best thing to do – is Not to parade around, but to seek psychological help!
Ubiq -“North Korea doesnt have elections.”
That’s why you belong there!
“NO country has mass voting in their primaries (please share any country that does)”
This one does; and that’s why Trump is the Republican candidate & Hillary will be the DemonCrat candidate!
Ubiq – Your whole post is full of Narishkeit!
Do you know what an exception to the rule is?
As an English teacher, I think you know – Feivel.
The gays were much better in the closet!
The exception is the armed forces.
Ubiq -“As usual, you dont know what you are talking about. The party is a private entity and is free to make their own rules. In fact as you may have noticed each state has its own system. Some have primaries some have caucuses some have both. Washington has a primary that deosnt count
Some states divide up the delegates proportionally some are winner take all, some are a mix.”
As usual you missed the point! It should be based on Democratic principles. If you don’t like Trump, too bad! Most Republicans voted for him.
There are places for people like you, like N. Korea!
Ubiq -“At the time it was the liberal position to support “dont ask dont tell”, while conservatives where against it. Conservatives very much cared “when they lived in the closet” and wanted them “outed” and prevented from serving, if a person had those tendencies, just keeping it to themselves was not good enough, and they were discriminated against even if “they lived in the closet””
Again with your liberal lies! We wanted them outed in the army! Why do you think that is? Because they have separate baracks for male and female. If they allowed gays in army, it would be bad news.
And btw, what do you mean by discriminated against? IDK any case were s/o was denied a job because of being gay.
I do know cases where s/o was denied a job for keeping Shabbos!
Joe -“If they committed their abhorrent aveiras in private without declaring to the world they commit this heinous sin no one would not treat them without dignity, as no one would be the wiser for their private sins. The fact is they insist on making their sinful ways a matter of the public record in addition to demanding respect for their abominable transgressions.”
This is true in the US also. In the US, no one cared when they lived in the closet!
Nowadays, not only are they in your face, but they want, and in some States they have, legal marriage!
Ubiq -“The DNC was right to keep out Sanders. The party elite/insiders SHOULD choose the party’s candidate. They are the ones who actually care about the party and its message.”
There is such a thing as a democratic process. The running for democratic primary is supposed to be democratic. Not just so who follows the party – line for line.
These parties are based on democratic principles.
This isn’t Cuba or N. Korea!
Obviously you don’t understand this, whether this applies to Trump or to Sanders!
Huju-“The “dictator” we have now has deported more illegal immigrants than any prior president. Why are you so disconnected from the facts? Do you think that facts have a liberal bias?”
I’m not disconnected from the facts; you libs are!
Who cares that he deported some? He is the one who hasn’t protected our borders. He let them in & won’t throw them out!
From Pew research.com:
flatbusher -“Commentators have observed that Trump has the making of a dictator.”
Does that bother you? If it does, then you should comment on the fact that we have a dictator now!
Do you know he stopped ICE from preforming their legal duties, including deportation of illegals?!?
“Plus his forming of a Super-PAC to destroyu Cruz and Kacich in the future is nothing short of evil.”
So did it bother you when the DNC did unethical behavior in support of Clinton?!? This is now, not in the future.
Don’t worry, the DemonCrats don’t do anything evil, not like Trump.
They are all angels!
Charlie – from political insider: “Documents show Hillary knew about Benghazi all along.”
E/o else go there to see the truth – how Hillary caused the deaths of American diplomats!
Charlie -“And Clinton has never accused any political opponents of having been involved in assassinations”
Because she and Bill have s/o do it for them. Check out the website called whatreallyhappened.com.
From there – B. Caceres said Hillary was responsible for the Honduran coup which toppled the democratic government of Zelaya.
Nowadays Honduras is one of the most violent places in the world!
Oh btw, she was killed during her sleep!