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YY -“Health, I didn’t imply that it’s easy to quit. I’m assuming my son-in-law had to work hard to quit. And obviously it doesn’t take years for everyone to quit”
Obviously not.
Again your implication is wrong!
Those that finally do quit – it usually takes years.
Abba-S -“R’ Moshe never prohibited it he just said G-d watches out for the __ ___.”
Wrong! He always said it was Assur to start!
yehudayona -“My daughter married a smoker. Within the first year of marriage, he quit smoking.”
I’m glad it worked out for you. But your implication is wrong!
It’s Not that easy to quit, and those that finally do, it takes years!
mynameismysecret -“The torah says you should be healthy, smoking is not healthy, but just because you smoke you are “OTD”. So now all the fat people of the world are OTD too?”
Look there is a Big difference between a smoker and a fat guy!
The smoker once he started to smoke, it was a conscious decision.
The fat guy or gal, usually didn’t decide to become fat, it usually takes over-eating for many years.
So it makes sense for s/o to say they’re OTD!
Mr.Yidd23 -“Is raw milk dangerous for adults with healthy immune systems?”
In NJ:
Find locally sourced Raw Milk and more at local farms in New Jersey today at Agrilicious.org.
Joe -“So without marrying smoking boys, even more girls will be left at the altar unable to marry anyone.”
Wrong! There is enough men to marry. They could marry an older guy.
I started a topic on this called – “Who wants to be a Tzaddikes like Rus?”.
YY -“just because someone smokes doesnt mean they are otd!”
Sure they are! As a matter of fact, some Yeshivas will throw out a smoker!
[the American Psychiatric Association]
In 2009 NARTH responded to this with a 128 page document!
I brought down the beginning of the article:
“This document was prepared in response to certain statements and resolutions of the American
Psychological Association (APA) that are inaccurate and not grounded in science, in direct violation of
Advisory Committee, we feel obligated to inform both the scientific and lay communities about the
plethora of studies that lead to a singular conclusion: Homosexuality is not innate, immutable, or without
significant risk to medical, psychological, and relational health.
We wrote a reasonably comprehensive, historical review of more than 100 years of clinical and
research literature. The literature we reviewed includes older, less methodologically sophisticated stud-
ies as well as more recent, representative, and methodologically rigorous studies. We acknowledge in
advance the methodological limitations of the earlier studies, but include them because these earlier
reports for the most part met acceptable research and publication standards at the time they were written, and because their conclusions are supported by the most current, methodologically sound studies available.”
DY -“You neglected to say that ordinarily, you say haetz first.”
After my last post, she (LU) owes me and you an apology!
JF2 -“Health, yes I see that article, but I still don’t see your point. Wonderful. So what? There’s nothing in there about “PC” anything.”
From that article:
“The evolution of the status of homosexuality in the classifications of mental disorders highlights that concepts of mental disorder can be rapidly evolving social constructs that change as society changes.”
In other words:
“It’s not because of scientific evidence, but because it’s Not PC anymore!”
SL -“apy wrote:
Your 17, in college and dont have the guts to quit, working in (based on the discussion here) a remote basement where it is just you and the doctor, or at times,”
Thank you.
Here it is again:
“apushatayid
official spokesperson for the CR mods
Your 17, in college and dont have the guts to quit, working in (based on the discussion here) a remote basement”
This CR is becoming like a Soap opera!
People make up stories to keep it interesting!
This is why I posted previously – they make mountains out of a molehill!
SL -“And I don’t remember you saying it was a basement like one poster suggested”
Where did one poster say that? Maybe it was deleted?
lesheimshamayim -“I would like to go to the bahamas and am searching around for good websites to find vacation deals (airfare+hotel). Any suggestions?”
Try CheapOair.
A lot of deals.
DY -“The fifth chelek of Shulchan Aruch.”
They say common sense is Not too Common!
LU -“But at the end of the day, you will be proud of yourself if you muster up the courage to quit.”
Who are you to tell her to quit?
She definitely needs advice, not from anonymous posters, but from her parents or from a Rov or from both!
lesheimshamayim -“I would like to go to the bahamas”
Before you go, check out if the Bahamas have Zika there?
LU -“Health, as I already told you, the words “equally preferred” mean chaviv not chaviv or shalem”
Exactly! Here’s the quote again:”From Halachahpedia:
“HaEtz and HaAdama
When you posted this:
“For example, most people (of both genders including B’nei Torah) think that if you have a Haetz and a Haadamah, you make the bracha on the Haetz first, and this is incorrect according to the Mishna Berurah and most comtemporary Poskim.”
Again you’re wrong! Almost always it’s Not INCORRECT! They usually are equal in both Shlaimus and Chavevus!
JF2 -“Health, you’re going to have to do better than that. Psychology Today is reputable, yes, but you didn’t explain the relevance of the article you quoted except to tell me that I should bother to read it. Well, I did read it and I’m not getting the context. Try again”
I didn’t quote the whole article.
Go to Psychology Today:
“Hide and Seek
When Homosexuality Stopped Being a Mental Disorder
Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.
Posted Sep 18, 2015
Neel Burton M.D.”
The gist of the article says – is why they don’t consider gays to be mentally ill anymore. It’s not because of scientific evidence, but because it’s Not PC anymore!
LU -“It means there is no chaviv”
Yes and No. It also means that they’re both Sholaim or both not. Therefore I wrote “then HaEtz takes precedence over HaAdama”!
JF2 -“I guess when you have no actual scientific evidence on your side, the only thing you can do is keep parroting “____ ___ _____ ___”.
I quoted from Psychology Today. That to my knowledge is a scientific mag.
“Health, your above post makes no sense. I am aware that homosexuality was once included in the DSM, but you haven’t explained why that’s relevant.”
If you bothered to read it, you’d know why that’s relevant to our discussion!
Mod – 29-“without a headache”
If you get headaches all the time, it might be hypertension.
Check it out!
Who said all the time? Who said I ever had one before reading your post?
LU -“You have spent a lot of time trying to tell me that I am wrong, and yet you have not brought a single proof that I am wrong, and if fact the only source that you brought (which is not even a source) agrees with me”
If you want to continue this discussion, first answer my question of – -“are equally preferred”
“Do you know the meaning of this according to Halachah?”
Mod – And btw if you want to make a comment to me on the main page of CR – write Mod so & so, not my name.
???
Mod – you must be 29.
I didn’t chant.
I was responding to her post.
Why didn’t you read it?
I read it every time you wrote it. After the fifth time writing “Gay agenda!” (some deleted some not) I got a headache. The format of the comment is a chant. If you would like to change it up a bit it might go through. Or you may be lucky enough to get a mod without a headache. – 29!!!!!
JF2 –Health, you need to tone it down, enough with the chanting please!
LU -“are equally preferred”
Do you know the meaning of this according to Halachah?
LU -“I don’t know why you are having such a hard time understanding what I wrote. I spent a lot of time explaining it to you, and I don’t know why you still don’t understand. I think if you reread my posts carefully and really try to understand them, you will be able to understand them. If you still have any questions, you can ask me politely, and I will try to answer them for you.”
This applies to you, not me!
I don’t know why you are having such a hard time understanding what I wrote. I spent a lot of time explaining it to you, and I don’t know why you still don’t understand. I think if you reread my posts carefully and really try to understand them, you will be able to understand them. If you still have any questions, you can ask me politely, and I will try to answer them for you.
Sparkly -“maybe you should start dating mo girls”
You might have a point! Seems like MO girls are better than know-it-alls!
LU -“It sounds like your’e saying it’s okay as long as it’s not after closing hours, and that you consider it to be making a mountain out of a molehill if it’s just during day time hours.”
That’s exactly what I’m saying!
But this situation could be different and I just responded to that!
Sadgirlygirl -“im alone with him most of the day..and another point he isnt here right now so im alone with a different male patient..”
Now this is a question. Ask your local Rabbi or your family’s Rabbi.
Don’t come here for some anonymous advice!
LU -“You wrote that the Halacha is that if there is no chaviv or 7 minim, Haetz comes first. According to the Mishna Berura that is not correct – the next thing we look at is shalem.”
Stop putting words in my post! I did not write what you said.
I’ll repeat it, so you can stop trying to manipulate e/o!
“From Halachahpedia:
“HaEtz and HaAdama
This sentence was put there so the guy who wrote the article didn’t have to go into the Din of Shalem! “If both or neither are preferred then Shivat HaMinim takes precedence.”
What I don’t understand is why you keep on insisting that we’re wrong and you’re right?!?
LU -“So Health, even if it is something that happens all the time and has become accepted practice, it doesn’t make it okay.”
I didn’t say it was OK. I wrote -“After closing it could be problematic – if they’re there alone.
But the posters here are always making a mountain out of a moehill!”
Mr. Yidd -“Women don’t like being told that they can’t use their brains, Health”
Tell that to Chazal – Lol Hamelamaid Torah etc.
Ben Levi -“Jfem -You seem to be misunderstanding”
Not at all! This is typical of the Gay agenda!
They won’t stop because they know that the other side will eventually throw in the towel!
JF2 -“How many doctors do you know that have ONE staff person, no nurses or anything, and that one person is a 17 year old? Forget gender for a second. Something’s off here!”
You’re right! Something is off – your post!
Many small businesses have only one secretary. The owner is male and the secretary is female!
LU -“Health and DY: I’m not sure what your point is. The sources you’re quoting simply prove my point”
Wrong! I’m proving my point!
“You just proved girls should Not learn Mishnah Brurah”
“Health and DY: btw, you neglected to mention that when the Haadama is shalem it comes first according to the Mishna Berurah even if it’s not chaviv or 7 minim”
I wasn’t talking about Shalame.
“For example, most people (of both genders including B’nei Torah) think that if you have a Haetz and a Haadamah, you make the bracha on the Haetz first, and this is incorrect according to the Mishna Berurah and most comtemporary Poskim.”
This is what we were talking about!
The impression from your post is to say Haadomah first.
This is WRONG!
Girls should stick to Kitzur Shulchan Aruch!
Your defense is No defense.
We’re still right, even though you made a long post defending yourself!
Joe-“Yes, it is a problem. Speak to a Rov immediately.”
This goes on throughout the business world! Not just in doc’s offices. Firstly, people go in and out all day long. After closing it could be problematic – if they’re there alone.
But the posters here are always making a mountain out of a moehill!
Ben Levi -“Jfem,
Why oh why do you keep ignoring the crux of my posts”
Simply because she’s wrong!
She’s also pro the gay agenda!
Here’s an article about why psychotherapy has changed their perspective about gays from Psychology Today:
It’s based on popular belief, not Psychological new knowledge!
Nothing to do with reparative and conversion therapy!
In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM, and 3,810 to retain it.
The APA then compromised, removing homosexuality from the DSM but replacing it, in effect, with “sexual orientation disturbance” for people “in conflict with” their sexual orientation. Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.”
LU-“Avi, I disagree with you about women learning Kitzor Shulchan Aruch or Chayei Adam as opposed to Mishna Berura. If you learn Kitzur Shulchan Aruch or Chayei Adam, you will not know what to do l’maaseh. It is true that there are times when we don’t posken according to the Mishna Berurah, but in general, if you act according to the Mishna Berurah, you are on safe grounds. The best is to learn Mishna Berurah with Dirshu (that’s what I do), since he brings the opinions of the contemporary poskim.
The only problem with women learning Mishna Berurah might be that most women don’t have the necessary training and background, and might come to “posken” incorrectly. I assume that is why many schools learn Kitzur Shulchan Aruch. In any case, if one wants to ensure that she knows halacha l’maaseh properly, she is probably best off reading a quality English Halacha Seifer, but I don’t think they exist yet for every topic.
To take another example: I taught Hilchos Brachos last year, and I studied it in depth, and I realized that there are many, many halachos that people are not aware of. For example, most people (of both genders including B’nei Torah) think that if you have a Haetz and a Haadamah, you make the bracha on the Haetz first, and this is incorrect according to the Mishna Berurah and most comtemporary Poskim.”
The thing you’re rallying about applies to you!
You just proved girls should Not learn Mishnah Brurah!
From Halachahpedia:
“HaEtz and HaAdama
Sparkly -“Health – can you please stop making fun of girls? Like grow up already.”
I think that you’re the one that has the growing up to do!
When s/o calls a guy a girl, it’s not making fun of girls, just him!
Sparkly -“health – please stop being against feminism its kinda of rude to us (girls).”
You misunderstand me. I not against feminism per se. Just a lot of times it contradicts the Torah!
I’m a Frum Jew.
JF2 – “Health: Um, why exactly would the APA not be reputable according to you? They are the foremost authority on the subject in this country. I think you are the one with the bias.”
Excuse me! Stop with your manipulation! I posted right afterwards why in this case the APA is Not reputable!
If you want to refute my post, first you must refute Ben Levi’s post!
Charlie -“All the fact-checking sites show that she is as credible as any politician today”
You’re right! They’re all Liars!
“But there is a Putin”
Too bad he isn’t here! We need a president who respects the Torah!
Not s/o who’s extremely liberal!
“”OTOH, it was Hillary’s responsibility to protect the embassy in Libya!”
No, it wasn’t. The SoS has no military assets are all.”
But that has nothing to do with responsibility!
From Yahoo news:
“Since the terrorist strike, investigations have detailed failures on the end of the State Department and the intelligence community, which included a Senate Intelligence Committee report in January 2014 that said both were at fault for failing to prevent the attack, according to the Washington Post. However, there was only one specific reference to Clinton throughout the report.
“The document contains only one mention of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, whom the panel’s Republicans name as the official who should ultimately be held responsible for the failures in Benghazi,” Adam Goldman and Anne Gearan wrote for the Post.”
Shopping 613 -“I can tell from sparkly’s writing she’s a girl. We female teens have this writing style it’s easy to pick it out from the crowd”
I can tell without that!
Because Feivel didn’t correct her outlandish grammar.
He only corrects mine, because I’m male!
JF2 -“This is an article published in the AMA Journal of Ethics, citing an APA study. The AMA obviously approves of the study, or it wouldn’t have published it at all…but regardless, I’m not sure that it matters. The AMA and the APA are both reputable associations. And they often work together, as is standard practice. No “manipulation” here”
I see that you won’t stop with your manipulation!
All they approved was this guy’s article, not the APA’s position on conversion therapy!
The APA is Not reputable when it comes to conversion therapy!
Why don’t you read other posters here?!?
From previous:
“Ben Levi –
The fall 2012 issue of Dialogue features a 21 page article from Elon Karten Ph.D a practicing psychologist who deals with many frum people struggling with this problem.
In the article he documents that the “taskforce” that condemned “reparative therapy” consisted of individuals who were on record about their positions before the selection while those who were more neutral were turned away!”
For the last time, Stop with your Gay bias!
YM1 -“and stop trying to make gayros with no BEIS DIN thats right beis din u were right u dnt need a rabbi u need a BEIS DIN.”
I’m not going to argue with you because it’s the three weeks!
But jeeze – did you have to call me a girl?!?
I’m just going to clear up the Halachah. I found this on the net – about Geirus:
“Rabbi Moshe Feinstein makes it clear that they need not be rabbis, though it’s expected that someone knowledgeable put some serious thought into: “is this person sincere in their commitment? Do they understand what they’re getting into? And is the Jewish people better off with the addition of this person”
So all my posts are applicable, no matter what you or anybody says!
To become a female Jew – all you need is Kabbolas Mitzvos and Mikvah.
As far as I know, she had that.
But keep on posting your Am Haratzos (4 – 5 Blatt a Zman) – Your giving me a good laugh!
ITFT -“He lamented that “in todays society the polio victims would be counseled against seeking treatment and most would die.”
So true!
Also you see the hypocrisy in our generation when it comes to their liberal agenda. What did they do when AIDS first came out? They should have isolated them, instead they spent billions trying to treat them!
iacisrmma -“I am sorry but if all else fails, then divorce is the only option.”
Not always! Unfortunately there is such a thing as a recalcitrant husband!
Lu -“Health – not everyone gets divorce because they think it will be better next time. I think that’s a bad reason to get divorced. I think that someone should only get divorced if he/she thinks he/she will be better off not being married to anyone than being married to their current spouse”
You missed my point! We live in the throw – away generation – if s/o doesn’t like their spouse they divorce.
They should try to work it out. If all else fails, then there is the option of divorce!
Sparkly -“health – i dont need a mentor im too old for that. maybe you need a mentor”
If you’re too old – so am I.
Your responses are very childish!