Health

Meno -“What? You said two things that directly contradicted each other. I just quoted those two things. This is the same thing LU was doing. No one is manipulating anything.”

Of course it is! You’re taking my posts out of context.

This is called manipulation!

This is what I really hold:

“If someone collapsed, I posted what any logical person should do.”

“By this I mean anyone with any common sense would know what to do in this situation. If there are people that wouldn’t know this w/o being trained, then those people should be taught at a young age!”

LU – Thanks for repeating my posts!

Funny that you only repeated the posts that you could manipulate the readers that you’re the one that’s right!

How about repeating this one?!?

“By this I mean anyone with any common sense would know what to do in this situation. If there are people that wouldn’t know this w/o being trained, then those people should be taught at a young age!”

Meno -“Though I’m still not sure I agree fully, because one of his main points is that CPR is easier to learn that flying a plane, which is true, but it is still not easy enough. The level at which most people learn CPR is not really adequate to help in a real life situation, and to expect them to learn more than that is unreasonable.”

You’re the one that claims that you can only help out if you had some training – I guess that you know better than the AHA!

“Is there really? Maybe there is a chiyuv to become a doctor and a firefighter also”

I never implied or said that!

Oh btw, I am like a FF & like a physician, personally!

Meno -“The case with the pilot is not hypothetical. It actually happened.”

You are correct – it did happen, probably more than your one case that you brought down.

I actually did a search on the net, after you posted it.

Now tell e/o what’s the difference between the two cases!

“It’s a lot to ask from a person to practice a lot just to prepare for an unlikely occurrence.”

True, but the other option is to do it w/o any practice!

Btw, the AHA is doing just that for e/o!

Now let’s talk about Jews, even if you aren’t interested in doing it because it’s morally correct, but there is a Chiyov.

So unless you’re the type of person that doesn’t wash Negel Vasser when it’s not convenient, then you can’t make excuses in this case!

Ubiq -“Even if rare for an individual collectively it isnt rare. Etc.”

This must be a first for me!

+1

LU -“You said that people need to know what to do in the situation of someone collapsing (even though it’s not common) because it is life threatening. So Meno pointed out that according to that logic, everyone should know what to do for any life threatening situation, such as a pilot falling dead”

That’s what happens when you think you understand s/o else’s logic!

I asked what you would do if you were in that situation that was shown in the video. It wasn’t a hypothetical question perse.

Her case with the pilot is purely hypothetical!

I hope you Now understand the difference!

This isn’t Rocket science.

Meno -“Then by the same logic, every boy & girl, ages 8-10 should be taught how to fly a plane.”

Again, there’s No correlation between what I wrote and s/o learning to fly a plane!

LU -“If you have a reason why you think that Meno’s argument is not a valid argument, please state it. But to keep repeating your initial assertion is not a response.”

What does a pilot losing his ability to fly have to do with this topic?

There is absolutely no correlation!

Here it is again, for those that didn’t understand it the first time:

“If someone collapsed, I posted what any logical person should do.

If you’re saying it has to be taught – then every boy & girl, ages 8-10, should be taught it!”

Yidd23 -“A person who is not trained to help in any way can’t do anything except call for help”

From previous:

“Wrong! They should

Step 1:

Check to see if the scene is safe.

Step 2:

Etc…”

Yidd23 -“It depends. If they look like they’re doing it on purpose as a game, frown and move on. If it looks like something is really wrong, I’d ask him to see if he responds. If he says he’s okay, I’d move on.”

And then you wrote:

“A person who is not trained to help in any way can’t do anything except call for help”

Well; which one is it?!?

Gamanit -“Health- requesting additional assistance- even as EMT- is part of scene size up. It is prior to checking level of consciousness. Below are the steps of scene size up:

Request additional help if necessary”

Well, did you pass your EMT course? How many times did you end up taking it, till you passed?

Why don’t you read your own post before you write it?!?

You wrote “if necessary”!

Think before you respond to me.

And if you want me to explain it, I would have to charge you.

LU -“They should call for help right away”

Wrong! They should

Step 1:

Check to see if the scene is safe.

Step 2:

Etc…

Meno-“It’s very easy to give instructions for one specific situation, but the reality is that there are a thousand different emergencies one could encounter, and it’s unreasonable for a person to be trained to deal with every single one, and it is unreasonable to expect an untrained person to be able to act properly under that kind of stress.”

Of course there are! So e/o should learn CPR & first aid.

“And if you’ll say that a person collapsing on the floor is more common, so everyone should be prepared – I’ve been alive for quite a few years, and I have never seen it happen, so it can’t be that common.”

I wasn’t talking about more common, but about life threatening!

“Well to start, all the exclamation points”

I always use exclamation points, it doesn’t mean anything!

Meno -“”I wrote false information!”

1.

not according with truth or fact; incorrect.

“the test can produce false results”

synonyms: incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious,”

Those are all the synonyms. But “wrong” is not correct!

I was going with these synonyms -“flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise;”

“You gotta learn to chill out”

Who said I’m not? I just was being accurate, so people shouldn’t get the wrong impression!

Meno -“What was the wrong information they were giving?”

I wrote false information! I don’t get the mag either. But YWN had the video of the incident. They just wrote call Hatzolah. Giving the impression that’s good enough!

I wrote a detailed post what a person should do in that situation – right above!

DY -“what do you think someone should do, and how did the magazine err?”

No problemo! I’ll do it after Shabbos. But first I’d like more posters to answer my OP question!

Lightbrite -“If no one is there and I feel safe, then talk to the person”

You’re the first one that’s even getting close!

The reason I started this topic, because YWN news that they had a article about a video of s/o laying on the ground.

Not only did not one poster get it right, but the magazine in Yiddish was giving e/o false information.

This to me is the most disturbing!

Yidd23 -“People who play such games usually are fairly obvious.”

How so?

Abba_S -“This depends if the person appears to be homeless, in which case I call 911(note I live in NYC), and request an ambulance.”

Why would you do that?

All homeless people lay on the street.

Ubiq -“um, no Hillary is a big liar. I have said that repeatedly”

Well, did you vote for her?!?