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Saical Hayosher – Change your name to Hatzolah Macher
“Along with the experience is knowing what to do in cases far and beyond what they are trained for”
What does this mean?NDG -“1) Just what type of health professional are you?”
Much more than you!
All you know is CPR!
“I have tKen and fact taught CPR and the first step was always to direct someone to call 911.”“2) When have you last practiced at the health profession.”
Recently.
“3) Why did hatzalah deny your membership?”
When I was a Bucher, many moons ago. So I really don’t blame them. Since then I’ve been married and divorced.
I’m willing to take them over but not for free.
“Sure there may be some politics, but that is any agency and that does not detract from the fantastic job they do”
I guess you missed my point. I wasn’t talking about politics, but about the kind of job they do!
NDG -“And actually having performed CPR is much different than just taking a course.”
Well, did the guy/gal live afterwards?!?
Lowerourtuition11210 -“Health: You are missing the point. The Stamar Rov did not state to start an ambulance service. He told Mr. Weber and others to get trained and call the organization Hatzaloh”
So you’re agreeing with me when I wrote -“But it could have been Weber’s decision to start it ”
So stop trying to make into a liar!
When you wrote – “Please stop trying to rewrite history.”Joe -“Health, do you violate issurim when saying conservative conversions are invalid? Etc.”
Your posts are going way off by the minute!
From above:
mentsch1 -“Joseph it is well known that Yael was not converted by the rabbi in question
He referred her to the BDA who converted her”Are you saying now that the Bais Din of America are conservative?!?
Joe -“So clearly he was not observant long before marriage. Does anyone actually believe that when she underwent the process she intended to become observant when her fiance was not?”
So Joe do you still claim to live in Lakewood? We in Lakewood tend to be actual Frum, not a Faker like you!
“These self-styled guardians of the faith and keepers of the flame, etc…”
You are a prime example of this!“Does anyone actually believe that when she underwent the process she intended to become observant when her fiance was not?”
Actually, I heard that from my Chassidish Rov!
Do you think that because you’re anonymous here you can post many Issurim?!?iacisrmma -“He followed Daas Torah and himself took the training. And little by little the organization we now know as Hatzaloh was born. So please stop criticizing what decisions were made under the guidance of the Heiligeh Satmar Rebbe 50 years ago.”
My problem is that it couldn’t have been the Satmar Rebbe’s decision to start Hatzolah according to your version! But it could have been Weber’s decision to start it or it could have been my version of the former events.
According to your version, why didn’t the Rebbe say e/o should learn CPR instead of starting an ambulance squad?!?iacisrmma -“The person died in only a few minutes but none of the people who witnessed the event had any medical knowledge to even offer assistance. ”
According to your version of the events, why did they need to start Hatzolah?
All they really needed was a Frum movement that e/o should learn CPR!“I can only hope and daven that you never need the assistance of either Hatzaloh or EMS “biz a hoondred un tzvantzig”..”
Thank you. Same to you.
yitzchokm -“Health You’re not a liar, you’re just pompous.”
I’m a medical professional, so it’s par for the course.
“You’re disparaging one of the most successful and well-run Jewish Community programs we have.”
I’m just speaking the truth, but you’re entitled to your opinion.
“You’re saying that they don’t know what they’re doing, and you can do it better.”
That’s correct; and been saying this for over 15 years!
“You vastly underestimate their capabilities,”
And you overestimate their capabilities!
“and whenever some challenges you, you feign ignorance as ” why are you picking on me?”
I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about, but go ahead – challenge me in this thread.
Kollel wife -” I still recall his words – we go to get that baby out of you (to stop the hemmorraging.) Surely EN should have been able to do that?”
Surely you are very wrong! Taking a baby out of the womb, where it didn’t come out by itself, is called practicing medicine. In this country only a MD, DO, NP or PA can practice medicine. I’m not a Midwife, so I don’t even know if legally in your situation, they can remove the baby.
I’m sorry to counter your Motzay Shem Rah!
iacisrmma -“Health: Hatzalah was not started in response to poor EMS response time. The founder of Hatzaloh, R’ Hershel Weber, saw someone suffer a heart attack and died while waiting for the City ambulance (I don’t know if it was called EMS in the 1960’s). At the time, there weren’t any people who passed by who could help the person.”
So what is the problem with that? Obviously, the patient was waiting for an ambulance & it took a long time. He/she didn’t get a timely response time.
So Stop Trying To Make Me Into a LIAR!2scents -“Health, as someone that keeps on saying your not PC, why dont you explain why Hatzalah is not the solution for the longer response times that EMS has.”
Oh you’re correct, if that what was EMS was all about! But people not gullible, like me, know what EMS is really about! The way Hatzolah is now basically doesn’t serve the purpose of EMS.
“If you want to be taken serious stop making such silly comments about you taking over the community EMS system, NYC Hatzalah is a very large operation only someone very skilled and knowledgeable can manage this on their own, people like that usually already have real jobs. just saying.”
Once upon a time, I’d have rebuttal, but after all these years – I think what’s the point!
Kotlorism -“We as a community need to stop being so gullible, especially when it comes to life and death”
I agree with this statement, but your implication is wrong.
When the Frum community realized that NYC had a problem with EMS response time, they started Hatzolah. This was not the solution!
Being that I’m not PC, and most people in the Frum community are, there’s No point in going into details.
I’m willing to take over the Frum communities EMS systems, but not for free!iacisrmma -“Since this thread started about a call in Borough Park and that 911 was called we have to talk about NYC EMS, not EMS in other city and states. From post 1291276: “That’s when you call EMS! Hatzolah doesn’t have trained dispatchers.””
Basically what you did was to put words in my mouth, so you could criticize me and defend your beloved Hatzolah!
To e/o else, I was commenting on someone’s post.“I felt that this was misinformation as Hatzaoloh dispatchers here in NYC are trained not only as EMT’s but also as dispatchers.”
I’m sorry; but you’ll have to do better than that. I spoke the truth, but you’re trying very hard to manipulate the readers!
2scents -“health, it is exceptionally uncommon for a middle age frum woman to have advanced directives. other signs are usually associated with long downtime’s which does not seem to have been the case”
You’re correct about the first part, but about the second part, only if you were there can you make that determination. I wasn’t & I don’t think you were!
2scents -“yet they usually have some sort of training.”
You figured it out – I was talking about EMD training!
iacisrmma -“Health: Who said anything about Hatzaloh dispatchers being EMS dispatchers? Hatzaloh has their own dispatchers; they are not tied to the EMS system”
“Doesn’t even state they have to be an EMT”You didn’t even begin to understand my previous post! Actually, your quite funny 😁.
Look I don’t want to argue with you, but obviously you don’t know anything about EMS!
There’s such a thing in this world called an EMS dispatcher. It has nothing to do with NYC EMS.
That’s why you don’t need to be an EMT to take EMS dispatch training!iacisrmma -“Health: Hatzaloh doesn’t have trained dispatchers? Dispatchers are Hatzaloh EMT’s who have taken on the extra duties to be a dispatcher. Why are you spreading misinformation?”
Actually I’m not! But you are! Being an EMT doesn’t make you an EMS dispatcher.
But I’m sorry to burst your bubble!2scents -“Being cold is not a criteria for not doing CPR, I cannot post links but you can do a quick google, especially not under the New York State BLS protocols under which EN operate.
The other signs of certain death, take time to set in.”You are technically correct, but I’m assuming that poster is Not a medical professional!
These are the protocols from NYC EMS:
When are the circumstances that you don’t have to resuscitate:
“Extreme dependent lividity;
Rigor mortis;
Tissue decomposition;
Obvious mortal injury; or
A valid Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) order and/or MOLST is present.”He should have wrote this – Maybe EN came and found Rigor mortis;
Tissue decomposition; Obvious mortal injury; or
A valid Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) order and/or MOLST and realized there wasn’t much to do. Maybe Hatzalah still performed CPR, while EN thought there was no point!Yidd 23 -“In the old days the midwife was called for all kinds of medical emergencies”
Nowadays midwives practice medicine alongside doctors and other medical personnel.
Basically they practice regular medicine in the Ob/gyn area, not other areas.
But I don’t think they are involved in Ob/gyn surgery.Ubiq -“Great! theyve been scanning the CR eagerly awaiting someone to finally step up”
But not for free! But not 2 million that I’d charge you for my SCOTUS case.
A normal salary.DY -“I heard a very different version of the story. Many details, some extremely significant, did not occur as posted by the OP or by 2scents.”
You forgot to mention Joe!
He’s the most pro -PC Frummy we have here!Avram in MD -“It certainly is in a case of cardiac arrest. I think because of that dispatchers try to walk the caller through starting CPR while waiting for the first responders to arrive.”
That’s when you call EMS! Hatzolah doesn’t have trained dispatchers.
Kotlorism -“Question 1: Why did it take 10 minutes for ezras Nushim to arrive? Etc…”
Why do you make an assumption & ask it in the CR?
If it’s true, ask the leadership of EN, not the CR! I smell an agenda!
I personally think that EN should offer an alternative option for EMS, and Not rely on calling EMS or Hatzolah or private ambulance companies!
Btw, I’m willing to take on running them.Gadolhadorah -“If some rabbonim and askanim want to run around hoding these “asifahs” on the evils of cooperating with the IDF draft, using the internet, and other issues of concern…etc.”
Another post I agree with! Even though I’m on the right when it comes to Frumkeit.
Godolhador -“What was originally meant as a limited waiver of the draft for a small number of serious learners has morphed over the years to a sense of entitlement for ANY chareidi bochur to avoid the draft or any form of alternative public service and shift the burden on to others. ”
I agree with you, but you won’t agree with my opinions. Even in the rest of the world, Yeshivas have become an excuse not to participate in society!
In EY, there are good reasons not to join the IDF (which I believe in), but in Chutz Learetz, anyone not in Yeshiva is a Goy. (So says the Frum world.)
The fact is there are many Frey people in EY with exceptions for IDF service, the Yeshiva guys should come first for exceptions!
I don’t agree with making demonstrations or public outcries, this includes Asifas against internet! It doesn’t matter what side you’re on!CG – “do what they advise. no insult intended, but dont go by whatever random people in the cofeeroom tell you to do”
Does that include you? Or you’re the exception?!?“ask a doctor you trust, as well as a rov, and do what they advise”
Btw, I never said not to do that!
And if you read the whole posts before commenting, you’d see that some of the discussion was about the pt. didn’t have time to shop around!CG -“health – why is it more unlikely for the non jewihs kid to search for birth parents than the jewish one?”
Simply, because at the time that kids would start wondering about this – the kid has been a Jew for many years.YY -“Health, the term “real parents” is offensive to adoptive parents”
I used that term because it’s shorter than saying “biological parents”!
Take a chill pill 😁!Gamanit – “What is wrong with adoptive children seeking out their birth families? ”
And what is wrong with parents raising their own children?!?
If they gave them up for adoption because of a lack of money, there are plenty of extremely poor families.Kitov -“Today everyone eats machine matzos on passover”
Speak for yourself! I don’t eat machine Matzos.
I do have internet obviously.Joe -“Health, you could adopt a yiddishe kindd as an infant.”
No one is saying – You can’t! I was explaining why some people prefer adopting Goyim instead of Yiddin.
People have posted problems with adopting Jews above. Another potential problem with adopting Jewish kids is that they can, later on in life, seek out their real parents. This scenario is very unlikely when adopting a Goyishe kid!Joe -“Health: How’s bringing up goyishe children preferable to bringing up yiddishe kinder?”
Because almost always, the kid will remain Frum. The reason being, especially when you adopt very young, the kid doesn’t know any other way!
Essentially you become like his/hers real parents. This isn’t the case when you adopt a Jewish kid.Joe – “Halachicly, the biological parents are always the child’s parents and continue to have parental rights”
That’s why most Frum people who adopt look for white Goyishe people either here or in another country!
LS -“I’m not an abortion advocate but please don’t equate a fetus with a person. I may be wrong but doesn’t halacha treat the fetus differently in that if it dies less than 30 days after birth, there is no Shiva?”
FYI – That’s your mistake. The Gemorra specifically states by Goyim killing of fetuses is murder!
By Jews it’s a Machlokes Achronim.Yidd 23 -“No, he specifically denied the birther claim when asked. That makes him a liar”
Why does that surprise you? All politicians are liars. Not just that, he was a TV actor before politics. Do you know what actors do?
The reason he won the election was because he’s the lesser of two evils!Yidd 23 -“Even Trump’s given up that stupid game.”
It shows your understanding about politics! The president only stopped his talking about Obama’s eligibility in becoming president when it no longer mattered.
Ubiq -“Nothing you mention in your post is hypocritical. On th eother hand if you criticise Obama for being “born in Kenya” you ARE being a hypocrite, since here you take the strange view that Once elected things done prior to being President arent relevant”
Stop with your liberal lies!
Obama being born in Kenya is very relevant. Many posters have discussed this previously. The facts are he wasn’t eligible to become president of the United States.
It’s a wonder to me how the DemonCrats pulled off such a farce on the American people!CTLAWYER -“He is being enriched by foreign government spending at his properties.”
I’m not a lawyer, but if there was any legal basis to what you’re saying, the DemonCrats would be all over it!
CTlawyer -“Impeachment is not enough. The Senate must also convict him. There is no hypocrisy in my opinion of Trump. I have detested him for decades.
My opinion has nothing to do with political agenda.
He is a thrice married serial adulterer.
He has been through business bankruptcies multiple times, etc.”Of course you’re being a hypocrite! His actions prior to becoming president is a reason not to vote for him. Now that he is president, he has done nothing so far that can be considered impeachable offenses!
CTlawyer -“I don’t have to root for him to fail, he is a failure”
Stop with the liberal hypocritsy! And I’m tired of all the DemonCrat leaders!
Your opinion of him is based on your political agenda.
But one thing I’ll tell you, if he behaves as badly as Billy Boy, while he’s president, (remember Monica), I’ll support impeaching him.Yidd 23 -“Continuing to fight for what you believe in does not make you a sore loser”
And what do the DemonCrats believe in?!? I’ll tell you some of the things:
1. Gay marriage.
2. Abortion on demand.
3. No death penalty.
4. Unrestricted access to the US.
5. No enforcement on the illegals that are living here.
I could go on and on, but I don’t see the point!MW13 – You can hope whatever you want, but it doesn’t mean it will happen.
The problem with the DemonCrats is that they’re sore losers!
They claim Trump is an obstructionist, but the truth is that they are.SG -“Carlos and Gabby closed. There is a new dairy place there, haven’t tried it (yet).”
What’s the reason they closed down? I’d assume because it was in that corner, a bad location!
So Upper Crust will have the same problem.Ubiq -“Ill give you a hint it rhymes with prussia”
I love the conspiracy theories! If you think Comey was on to something with regards to Russia, why would firing him solve anything?!?
I’m sure they’re are more people in the FBI than Comey. Besides I think that the Congress (plenty of DemonCrats in Congress) is investigating this whole Russia/Trump thing.
How come they aren’t investigating Clinton & company – because the DemonCrats didn’t win the Executive branch of government?!?Huju -“Actually, the liberals (of which I am one) did fool the American people in the last election – their candidate (crooked Hillary) got a majority of the people’s votes”
Oh please stop, you liberals have been complaining about this since Harrison won the election 150 years ago. He was a republican. How many times did the DemonCrats control the US government?
They had plenty of times to change the law. If you believe in democracy, you can’t just complain when the election doesn’t go your way!
Btw, the President is elected by the Electoral College, in case you’re interested.MW13 -“Should Director Comey have been fired?”
It depends whether the Deputy AG was telling the truth!“What do you think Trump’s real motivations were in firing him?”
The real motivations were to do the right thing! That’s why he listened to the Deputy AG.“Will all of this help or hurt Trump?”
That depends on whether the American people can be fooled by the DemonCrats!
They will make the most out of this for their political advantage.
But from the last election – you see that the American people couldn’t be fooled by the liberals!LU – I really don’t understand your point. First of all, you didn’t post the whole Teshvuah, and also, if I’m correct with what you’re posting, I wrote “usually”!
CTlawyer -“There are many Frum day schools that are mixed gender enrollment in the US”
ZD -“And before you say Yiddishkeit is different, There are many Co-Ed yeshivas and Dayschools who are co-ed because they could not financially survive without being co-ed”Those Frum schools that do that because of the parent clientele. It’s not ideal. It’s usually Kiruv types of schools!
CTlawyer -“Georgian Court became fully coeducational in 2013”
I don’t live in that area anymore. It just shows that their religion changes, when it becomes more feasible for them.
Compare that to Jewish Frumkeit.