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LB -“Is this a job for Super Glue?”
You should marry a guy that’s in the medical field. He’d take care of you!
Anyways, we have a medical version of Super Glue, buy I don’t use it because the companies that make it, charge an arm and a leg! It probably cost them to make it the same as making Super Glue.
There are many other ways to deal bleeding wounds.
Go get medical attention!Matan1 -“So you have no problem having a kid eat his lunch by himself, while his friends and classmates get to eat together? Do you think that’s good for that child?”
So you have no problem having a kid skip lunch, if all he/she likes is peanut butter sandwiches?
Do you think that’s good for that child?DY -“You don’t break that down into the type of sports being played (I’m against the more dangerous ones),”
Why should I? They are all dangerous!
From above:
“One hundred of the fatalities resulted from an underlying heart condition, 62 were due to a brain injury – typically a subdural hematoma – and 38 were from heat-related causes, according to findings published in The American Journal of Sports Medicine.”
What didn’t you understand? Don’t you think that underlying heart conditions & heat-related causes apply to all sports, except maybe Ga-Ga?!?“and you don’t consider in the reward factor.”
Yes, I did. The reward is death!
Btw, I’m not against playing sports, swimming, eating peanuts, driving in vehicles, etc.!
In life, you’re allowed to take some chances, not major ones!DY -“Because the risk/reward equation is completely different.”
That’s correct!
Sports is much, much worse!
From previous:
“Dr. Christakis points out in his BMJ article, about 10,000 children are hospitalized each year for sports-related traumatic brain injuries”Matan1 -“There are preventative measures to make allergens safe. Banning them”
There are preventative measures to make peanuts safe:
All kids should only eat in a lunch room & make sure everyone cleans off afterwards.
The allergic kids should eat in their classroom.Matan1 -“No one here has made a reasonable argument why they should be allowed despite the risks.”
And no one has ever made a reasonable argument why they should allow sports in schools!
DY -“Far from illustrating that there are other equally safe options, if anything it illustrates that the other options are not as safe”
If that’s true, why aren’t the pro-banning peanuts demanding banning sports also?!?
There’s no such thing as a safe sport! Well maybe Ga-Ga.Matan1 -“Or they could add throat guards to all players.”
So instute in your kids’ school everyone should wear throat guards! Let’s see if anyone complies!
You missed my whole point , (IDK if on purpose or not), there are things like sports, that people do on a regular basis, you should take every precaution, not just banning it!
The same thing with peanuts, the schools shouldn’t just take the attitude of banning. They should look for solutions, eg. all kids should only eat in a lunch room & make sure everyone cleans off afterwards.
The allergic kids should eat in their classroom.Matan1 -“That’s why there are throat guards to protect these injuries”
Enough with your manipulation! Even in the pro’s, it’s just the catcher (and ump) that wears it.
So if you believe every school should ban peanuts, for sure they should ban Sports!
But that would bring a very antagonistic group with the ban. So the schools just pick on the groups that don’t have a voice!
I believe in democracy, not in dictatorship, like you!Matan1 -“How many yeshivos do you know where kids are playing tackle football?”
Another manipulation from you! Football was just an example.
If we ban peanuts – we should certainly ban Sports!
From VIN:
“Long Branch, NJ – A fifth grader the son of a Lakewood, NJ, Yeshiva principal was killed after a baseball hit his throat on Friday afternoon.”Matan1 -“Injuries, sure, but death?”
Of course death! Stop with your manipulation!
From the Daily News 2013 – And this is just football:
“Each year in the U.S. an average of a dozen high school and college football players die during practices and games, according to a new study that finds heart conditions, heat and other non-traumatic causes of death are twice as common as injury-related ones.
Researchers reviewed data from the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research and found 243 football deaths recorded between July 1990 and June 2010.
One hundred of the fatalities resulted from an underlying heart condition, 62 were due to a brain injury – typically a subdural hematoma – and 38 were from heat-related causes, according to findings published in The American Journal of Sports Medicine.”YWN reader -“What about Bein Adam L’Chaveiro?
The school has a tremedous responsibility to children with special health needs (i.e. allergies, diabetes, etc). They want their children safe.”The school has a tremendous responsibility to all children, so we must ban SPORTS!
They should want to keep the children safe.Matan1 -“What is inherently dangerous about sports?”
Even if you play close to 100% well, like the professional sports players, many get hurt!
Now take kids, which are just learning, there’s a much greater chance of injury. Some of the injured will be permanent or end in death.
Now if you believe in banning peanuts, for sure you should believe in banning sports!Mw13 -“As others have pointed out, a lack of peanuts has never killed anybody. Peanuts have. Shouldn’t the answer here be obvious?”
As the statistics have pointed out, a lack of sports in school has never killed anybody. Sports have. Shouldn’t the answer be obvious?!?
iacisrmma -“What I am worried about is the school that does not have the peanut ban in place, a child has a severe allergic reaction and sues the school. What will happen then?”
The truth is until I came upon this topic in the CR – I never researched this topic. But I just did and I’m posting what I’ve found!
I believe the article. All schools should ban sports, much more than peanuts!
Our society is controlled by a few elitists!
“Food Allergy Deaths: Less Common Than You Think
By Meredith Broussard
In her December 8 New York Times article, “Researchers Put a Microscope on Food Allergies,” Karen Ann Cullotta cites a statistic commonly used in articles about food allergies: “Up to 200 deaths each year are attributed to the most severe reaction, food-induced anaphylaxis,” she writes. A similar statistic appears in Nicholas A. Christakis’ recent British Medical Journal article, “This Allergies Hysteria is Just Nuts,” which is referenced in the Times‘ “Well” blog today. Dr. Christakis writes in the BMJ that “Only 150 people (children and adults) die each year from all food allergies combined.” Having seen these statistics used over and over again in the media and the medical literature, I wondered: how many people really die of food allergies? 150 or 200? As it turns out, the real number of food allergy deaths is much smaller: just 11. The 150-200 death estimate comes from the media resource kit of the Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network, a lobbying and educational group headed by a former marketing executive at Dey Pharmaceuticals, the maker of the EpiPen adrenaline injector (which is prescribed to millions of food-allergic patients). It’s time for journalists and doctors to stop using FAAN’s exaggerated statistic.
We don’t need to rely on estimates for numbers of food allergy deaths because we have actual data. Since about 1998, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) have been tracking the number of food allergy deaths just as they track all the other causes of death across the United States. When someone dies in the US, his death certificate data is pumped into a massive database and indexed according to the 10th revision of the International Statistical Classification of Diseases, Injuries, and Causes of Death (ICD-10), a standardized system developed by the World Health Organization. ICD-9, the previous standard, did not have a code for food allergy deaths, but now we have solid data for almost ten years. The underlying number of food allergy deaths according to ICD-10 codes isn’t publicly available in CDC databases because it is so small—statistically insignificant, according to the CDC. A call to the CDC press office revealed that the number of deaths from food allergies, as collected from 2.5 million death certificates across the country, is miniscule. Only eleven people died from food allergies in 2005, the last year for which we have data available. More people died from lawnmower accidents.FAAN justifies its exaggerated estimate by citing a 1999 article from the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology called “Epidemiology of Anaphylaxis in Olmsted County: A Population-Based Study.” Deaths from anaphylactic shock are quite rare—so rare that the Olmsted County study is one of the very few studies that provides any rough numbers suggesting prevalence.
The study gives us useful data on the potential prevalence of anaphylaxis, meaning a severe or multi-system allergic reaction. It does not give us very good data on anaphylactic shock, the most severe consequence of anaphylaxis. Not a single person in the Olmsted County study died from food allergies. Of the 133 Olmsted County residents who had allergic reactions over the course of five years, and furthermore out of the six people admitted to the hospital for allergic reactions, not a single person died of anaphylactic shock subsequent to a food allergy.
Only one person in the Olmsted County study died. The cause of death: his throat swelled up while exercising. Yet we see schools calling for bans on peanuts, not gym class—even though, as Dr. Christakis points out in his BMJ article, about 10,000 children are hospitalized each year for sports-related traumatic brain injuries.
The flawed food allergy death statistic has been questioned, investigated and debunked in articles published in Forbes, Child, the New York Times, and in a piece I wrote for Harper’s earlier this year. I understand why the inflated number persists: 200 annual deaths make food allergies seem like a terrifying potential health crisis. Health crises attract research dollars. Pharmaceutical firms can profit substantially from health crises: concerned parents are happy to buy a device like an Epi-Pen (and renew the prescription every six months for the next twenty years) if it means preventing a child coming to harm. But our world is already terrifying enough. Do we really need to exaggerate the threat of a health condition as manageable as food allergies?
The time has come to stop using FAAN’s wildly exaggerated estimate of food allergy deaths. Food allergies are real, and certainly deserve respect and research, but stretching the truth about food allergy deaths creates unnecessary anxiety and fear for everyone. Especially those of us with food allergies.”
adocs -“even something non-political, the automatic knee-jerk ridiculous response is to accuse them of voting for someone of the other political side.”
Actually you’re the one is having knee-jerk reaction! I honestly don’t know why he responded the way he did.
I responded the way I did, because I’m familiar with that poster.
Do yourself a favor – don’t come here and post your ingenuity, unless you’re a full time poster!Yidd23 -” it will be heavily patented and therefore not worth it for most farmers.”
It is patented, but my point was the government should pay farmers to use it.
That’s what I wrote previously – certain people have more rights (peanut farmers, like Jimmeeey Carter) than others (not just the people with allergies, but also those that are forced to accommodate those people with allergies, whether right or wrong)!Yidd 23 -“It’s also peanut skin cream, peanut cosmetics, peanut-enhanced textiles.”
What would happen if the peanut growers used the non-allergenic peanut?!?
Btw, I like peanuts, but anybody that’s allergic and comes to my house – don’t worry I got an epi-pen!LC -“Health, did you eat too many peanuts?”
Hey, how many times did you pull the lever for Hil-Liar-y Clinton?!?
DY -“You want to punish the innocent and let the guilty go scot free.”
The only ones that are the guilty is the government!
And it’s not D. Trump, who’s trying to change the way Washington DC works!
There is this mentality in this country that certain individuals have more rights than others!
I won’t go into details, except for this topic.
Do you know that they invented a peanut that has no allergic antigens?
Why doesn’t the government require all peanut growers to use this peanut?
Oh I know, because the so-called government is so worried about Russian collusion!PBA -“Health,
You can’t start an IV en route, while the ambulance is moving. Maybe at a red light.”Didn’t you say your on Hatzolah or your brothers are on Hatzolah?!?
Anyways, you’re very wrong!
From Science direct:
“Success rates for initiation of intravenous therapy en route by prehospital care providers
Corey M. Slovis. Author, 1990
Department of Medicine, Emory University School of Medicine, Atlanta,
Emergency Medicine Residency, Emory University School of Medicine, Atlanta
Abstract
The optimal extent of prehospital care, including intravenous (IV) therapy for critically III patients, remains unclear. The authors evaluated the success rate for IV cannulation in a moving ambulance by trained emergency medical technicians and paramedics in 64 – 1 adult medical- and trauma-related cases. At least one IV line was started in 80% of medical patients and 92% of trauma patients, regardiess of blood pressure. In hypotensive patients, the success rates for at least one IV in medical and trauma patients were 80% and 95%, respectively. These data suggest that IV lines can be secured with a high degree of success en route to the hospital by trained personnel, and that prompt transport of unstable patients should not be delayed solely to obtain IV access.”2scents -“What you are suggesting is not only not practical and dangerous but also not legal, an ambulance is required for patient transport. Not even sure why we are even having this nonsensical discussion.”
The fact is you don’t specifiy what’s illegal about it? Is it just a tort? I think your expression of illegal is just another way that you manipulate everyone!
And btw, cops do it all the time. Are you suggesting that they constantly break the law?!?“True, blood is required for and NS or LR is not sufficient, but even blood is not definitive treatment and the patient might require first line drugs to control the hemorrhage or even surgical intervention.”
So what? Did I mention all the hospital treatment?
“That said, fluids is first step in the treatment”
Another manipulation! Are you representing Hatzolah with your posts?
I’ll repeat – the care of this patient that the OP presented, – is rapid transport with IV’s started enroute!
Your explanation doesn’t hold water!
All your posts explaining why they did what they did on scene care are just excuses!
The possibility that they did adequate care is very remote!!!
In hospital, they can start IV’s and order blood or blood products at the same time. There is no excuse, in almost all cases, to delay transport!2scents -“Health, I have mentioned this several times, the first responders usually are on scene with the patient before the ambulance arrives to assess and treat. To where should they take the patient, to the street?”
You obviously didn’t understand my question!
When the first responder found a critical pt., along with the bystanders like EN, all he should have done was pick the pt. up and put her in his personal vehicle and then transported her to the hospital.
I’m actually questioning this in all cases where the treatment is in the hospital. Moreover, the way the OP presented the case, she needed blood or blood products, not only saline or Ringer’s lactate.
So any pre -hospital care is putting her life in danger!2scents -“I have no idea if the members were there before the ambulance or not, but there is nothing that would indicate that the ambulance that normally responds from a central location was on the scene before the EMTs and Paramedics that would give your claim any substance”
I have a question for you – if the first responder saw a critical pt. with other responders there (EN), why call for medics, pick up the pt. and transport?!?
And unless you know about the call, obesity isn’t usually an issue!2scents -” The ambulance is dispatched from a central location, it is likely that the first responders and realized that this patient will benefit from more advanced care so they requested that ALS get dispatched.
The Hatzalah paramedics also respond with their private vehicles with complete ALS gear, this enables them to arrive and initiate care before the ambulance arrives. Is that hard to grasp?”Unfortunately your manipulation never ends! I’m very aware how it works. It’s quite possible in this case that’s what happened – that’s why I asked for all the times to be posted here.
I also know that’s it’s not set in stone!
YWN a few months ago, posted an article about an incident about a guy collapsed on the street in BP.
And guess what they showed in the picture? The first responder wasn’t a guy in a car, but the bus!
Why don’t you tell us the times of the bus in relationship to the medics response, in the OP’s case?
Are you hiding something?!?2scents – I already told you why I spelled that way because I using his terminology:
“I was quoting bk 613:
” I would imagine it would be a violation of HIPPA/ patient’s right to privacy””2scents -“Treating shock is beyond the EMT’s scope of practice. True, the EMTs can place the patient in shock position which might preserve the patients vital organs and even keep the patient warm, yet they cannot offer fluid replacement which is the first step in treating any hemorrhage or even transport to definitive care without an ambulance. Is that not so?”
Stop with your hypocrisy!
From the OP -““Needless to say in under a minute a hatzola member was at the door, he right away realized the critical state she was in, he called in for Paramedics. In no time she had 2 paramedics at her side starting IV lines on both of her arms and forcing fluids in to keep the blood pressure from going even lower, and trying to raise it a bit. They quickly whisked her out, etc.””Why didn’t they do immediate TRANSPORT?!?
2scents -“Health, just wondering why you spelled it HIPPA instead of HIPAA, is that because you are discussing this with ‘non-professionals’?”
Another clown!
I was quoting bk 613:
” I would imagine it would be a violation of HIPPA/ patient’s right to privacy”Bk613 -” (although I do have several years of pre-hospital and emergency medicine experience)”
This is very questionable! If you’re not a Hatzolah guy, then you’re a Hatzolah wannabe trying to score some points with them! Btw, I don’t believe a word you wrote, because any medical professional, even one that works in the pre-hospital environment, would know that the questions I asked, no way violated HIPPA!
“You are a private individual that is slandering a very popular organization on a public forum so yes that does open you up to public scrutiny”
That’s funny!😲 It’s like calling the kettle black. I came here to defend EN, not to attack Hatzolah. But the best defense is an offense. You yourself seem to know that very well by your posts to me.
Bk613 -“You are claiming you are a medical professional and bashing an organization based on that. You want people to just believe you and not question you.”
Do you even know what not in the public eye means? Did you finish high school?
Me claiming that I’m a medical professional has nothing to do with the OP. If you start a topic putting down EN, you had better defend your position!“On top of that you have the audacity to demand more info about them? That seems hypocritical.”
Like I previously posted – anybody can ask questions on Hatzolah’s care. They are in the public eye and are supported mainly by Jewish people! I’m a private individual.
You obviously don’t know the meaning of “hypocritical”!“Why doesn’t the public have the right to know that information?
I would imagine it would be a violation of HIPPA/ patient’s right to privacy”Are you a Hatzolah guy? It sure sounds like it. Refusing to give information about the call, that doesn’t include private information is not a violation of HIPPA.
It sure sounds like you’re trying very hard to manipulate the public!2scents -“If you yourself mind on offering this information, then please do not ask others to do so, especially when I have never claimed to hold any training or that I even practice medicine.”
You have repeatedly either wrote that you’re on Hatzolah or support them.
So therefore you & them are open to public scrutiny! I’m not in the public eye.
When I ask a question about Hatzolah’s actions in a topic called ” ANOTHER Ezras Nashim Horror Story?”, the public has a right to be heard!
I asked – “Let him/her post transport time, when was the ambulance on the scene, when was it called for. And relate these times with regards to paramedic being called & their care.
And vitals that were taken on scene.”
Why doesn’t the public have the right to know that information?
It seems that Hatzolah is trying to hide something!Ubiq -“You claim to be a medical professional, why not be upfront what is it that you do (my guess is phlebotomy or maybe an US tech (if anything at all) but I really have no idea) And if you dont want people to know, (whcih of course is fine) why mention it at all?”
I’ll respond to this question in my next post to 2scents.
“You clearly have some beef with hatzolah, (and it isnt that they didnt admit you) elaborate what is it, perhaps you are mistaken, or perhaps your opponents dotn know what you are reffering to. If you want ot be taken seriously make cogent arguments providing examples, back up your claims.”
I didn’t want to post publicly that information. I’m not the type that goes on the internet, like YWN, and tries to besmirch them. While some so-called Frum people came here to Bashmutz EN.
I did go on You tube and punched in Ezras Noshim. One of the things that popped up is a video making fun of EN. That guy had a beard & Payos. Why do people like that think that they are religious Jews?
Back to your question – I did go to some Rabbonim, because it involved life & death, but nothing was done about my issue!Ahron -“How do you define real emergency”
Makes a difference between life and death!” You do say for the right price you have the ability to run the organization”
Exactly, for example, I would institute personal responsibility. The way it is now, anyone with a complaint, Hatzolah white washes it! They don’t really investigate it and/or they do nothing about it.“Interesting how you believe the whole organization is bad because you saw .0001% of their calls and in your professional opinion whatever profession that is they were lousy.”
After viewing them for many years, you see how they are! There is such a thing as a medical mind.
I have it and you see by their actions that a lot of them don’t! I doubt that this applies to every single one, but there has to be a system that deals with the incompetent ones!2scents -“Health- very unprofessional for someone who claims to be a professional”
Who are you to decide – unprofessional or not?
The only thing I believe you in – is that you’re part of Hatzolah. Why don’t you tell us your degree or level of training & how many years of experience that you have?” such as writing medical lingo, instead of calling it medical terminology”
And btw, I used lingo so everyone here can understand, not just some medical professionals, which obviously you don’t understand the audience that reads YWN!
Ahron -“NY Hatzoloh responds to over 70,000 calls a year and is equipped to treat all kinds of medical emergencies. They are governed by state protocols as are all NY ems systems.”
That’s nice! A lot of people like to play Russian Roulette. How many of those 70 grand are real emergencies?
I admit they do save lives. Nowadays they train laymen to use AED’s, it doesn’t mean they are medical professionals when they regain a pulse.“Some providers are good and a minority of them are bad.”
Change that to – most providers are bad and a minority are Ok!“You have admitted that you were not accepted to Hatzoloh how can you be unbiased?”
Stop with your lying! I wrote – I didn’t blame them for not accepting me, because I was single at that time! I’m against them because of their lousey care.
Ahron -“You have not written anything of substance you discredit any validity to your opinion by so blatantly spewing your vitriol.”
Because I’m not like you and the naive Jews, that worship Hatzolah. Every perceived problem like with EN, they post on the internet.
I don’t know anything about EN, but I do know about Hatzolah! I like their videos that’s make believe.
Oh btw, I went to many Rabbonim about Hatzolah, but so far they have done nothing!2scents -“after being questioned you now decided that the details and documented times be provided to you, probably so that you can see if there were any wrong doings. Is there any reason that this should be provided to you?”
Because the OP had an agenda to besmirch EN, so I decided to see if your Hatzolah did a perfect job!
So before anyone takes the OP’s word for it, let’s see what kind of job Hatzolah did.
As a Macher on Hatzolah, you should be able to provide that info, quite easily!
Is there a reason that you won’t provide it, because you can leave out the private details?!?RYossel -“What i believe should of been done is…EN Dispatcher should work with Hatzoloh and announce a birth call on its system. Hatz should be notified to pick up Suri and have members on scene before Suri can arrive. Once Suri arrives she takes over and has Hatzoloh ready for any assistance she requests.”
That’s nice, but you’re forgetting one thing, EN wanted to work orginally with Hatzolah, but they refused!
oyyoyyoy -“dude, if the whole world likes hatzalah besides for you, maybe theyre right?”
Hey dude, how many of those that like them are professionals giving their professional opinion, not their PC opinion?!?
2scents -“it is the facts that matter. So far there was nothing that would indicate that transport was delayed, I find it puzzling that you are bashing the personnel that handled that patient without even knowing if there were any wrong doings”
That’s correct! But go read my previous post – here it is again:
“Look this topic was started by a guy named “achdus”, let him/her present detailed information about the case, so everyone here can make an informed decision!
Let him/her post transport time, when was the ambulance on the scene, when was it called for. And relate these times with regards to paramedic being called & their care.
And vitals that were taken on scene.”2scents -“There are some instances in which resuscitation would be initiated on the scene, not just if transport was to be delayed for other reasons such as entrapment, this would be up to the providers to decide, the same is when the patient is presented to the ED, they would decide what if any intervention should be done for this patient before sending this patient to the unit that would care for the patient.”
I’m sure there are cases that are legitimate scenarios that transport can be delayed, but the case above Was Not presented that way!
I just get the feeling, that you’re just protecting your beloved Hatzolah.
Look this topic was started by a guy named “achdus”, let him/her present detailed information about the case, so everyone here can make an informed decision!
I got the feeling she could have been transported much earlier than she actually was!
Let him/her post transport time, when was the ambulance on the scene, when was it called for. And relate these times with regards to paramedic being called & their care.
And vitals that were taken on scene.lowerourtuition11210 -“Talk about a personal attack! I make the Brocha sheloh asani ishah.”
That I say everyday! That isn’t an attack on women. There are a lot of P’shatim. Get yourself a Frum education!
“Defend EN all you want; just don’t bash Hatzaloh”
Practice what you preach!
This topic started with someone bashing Ezras Noshim.2scents -” The Hatzalah EMTs and Paramedics have a grassroots response and are usually within close proximity of the call location, which normally means that initial basic and advanced care has been initiated before the ambulance is on location. So the patient gets treated prior to transport without any of the treatment delaying transport.”
That’s fine.
But I was posting on this particular case, and it wasn’t presented that way!
From previous:
“Needless to say in under a minute a hatzola member was at the door, he right away realized the critical state she was in, he called in for Paramedics. In no time she had 2 paramedics at her side starting IV lines on both of her arms and forcing fluids in to keep the blood pressure from going even lower, and trying to raise it a bit. They quickly whisked her out, etc.”2scents -“Rapid transport is without question a high priority, yet there are scenarios in which transport should be delayed for a couple of minutes in order to stabilize the patient.”
The only one I’ve seen in a lot of EMS books, is when you’re involved in disentanglement (for e/o else – you can’t remove the pt. right away). In this case, it wasn’t presented that way!
From previous:
“Needless to say in under a minute a hatzola member was at the door, he right away realized the critical state she was in, he called in for Paramedics. In no time she had 2 paramedics at her side starting IV lines on both of her arms and forcing fluids in to keep the blood pressure from going even lower, and trying to raise it a bit. They quickly whisked her out, etc.”
The first priority is TRANSPORT. I’ll repeat my previous post:
“The treatment in this case, Mr. Hatzolah, is immediate transport. If medics are available, they can start lines enroute to the hospital!”2scents -“Health- If indeed the patients systolic blood pressure was below 60 with no distal pulses, this patient is entering irreversible shock and might have multi-organ failure, so yes bilateral IVs would be a vital priority and lifesaving for a positive outcome. Even without MODS there is the concern of metabolic acidosis, lactate acidemia and renal dysfunction, all of this can be prevented/delayed with aggressive fluid resuscitation.
Besides, having IV access would mean that the patient can be taken into the operating room and the required procedure can be done without delay.
This is standard stuff”What are you talking about? Are talking about pre-hospital care or ER care?
Standard care in this case, is rapid transport and shock care enroute!
Do you mean that your Hatzolah didn’t provide standard care?!?And btw, even though I understand your medical lingo, because I’m a medical professional, this is a public forum, write – that e/o else can understand!
Meno -“I have never heard someone speak out against Hatzolah as vehemently as you are.
I’m very inclined to think the problem is you, not them.”
iacisrmma -“Health: At this point I agree with Meno. Your personal bias against Hatzaloh is clouding everything you say.”
The two of you sound like some women – when you don’t like what you hear – you resort to personal attacks!
I came to this thread, not to list all the cases which I know or heard about Hatzolah, but to defend EN.iacisrmma -“having personal experience over the years with Hatzaloh having answered numerous calls on behalf of my family I am grateful for their existence”
So you like playing Russian Roulette?!? At least with EMS, there’s the option of a lawsuit when they mess up. But with Hatzolah, if you sue them, they try to get you thrown out of Jewish life!
Saichel yashor -“Health: Are your initials RF and happen to be a judge….”
My name is not Judge Frier. And I’m a male and I have nothing to do with Ezras Noshim!
“Most of us don’t worship Hatzoloh rather appreciate the amazing lifesaving work they do and don’t like when other people disturb that work in exchange for people that can hardly put on a band aid.”
Who can’t put on a band-aid – me or EN?
What you don’t understand, is that people need a choice – either Hatzolah, EN or EMS!
It’s funny, how YWN allows topics trashing EN, but I doubt if they would allow anyone to start a thread trashing Hatzolah!Achdus -“Needless to say in under a minute a hatzola member was at the door, he right away realized the critical state she was in, he called in for Paramedics. In no time she had 2 paramedics at her side starting IV lines on both of her arms and forcing fluids in to keep the blood pressure from going even lower, and trying to raise it a bit.”
The treatment in this case, Mr. Hatzolah, is immediate transport. If medics are available, they can start lines enroute to the hospital!
NDG -“This was a suggestion by someone arrogantly referring to himself as a health professional. I would guess that you may be an HHA.”
IDK why it’s arrogant to refer myself as a health professional?
I can’t be an HHA, because I don’t know what that is!“You also apparently have a beef because Hatzolah did not admit you. Which does not in the least seem surprising.”
Stop with your lies, to protect your beloved Hatzolah. I did not say that my beef was that they didn’t admit me. You made that up! As a matter of fact, I wrote I didn’t blame them because I wasn’t married at that time.
“You also want to run hatzolah for pay. An organization that has hundreds of people volunteering, but you are soooo good that you would demand pay.”
You get what you pay for!
“Thank you for clearing yup for all of us why:
2) Why you will not tell us what type of health professional you are.”Because I’m more than one! And it’s not just EMT & paramedic, like Hatzolah guys.
“3) Why you do not practice in the health field.”
Why do I have to explain that to you? Maybe it’s private.
IMHO, people like you either on Hatzolah or worship them!