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Ubiq -“I know, I know for 75 zillion dollars you will elaborate what “treatment” you are referring to.”
That’s your mistake – for 2 million I’ll give you my SCOTUS case.
The reason I didn’t elaborate on the differences between US care and elsewhere is because it’s too broad!
But I’ll give you an example – a relative of mine had lymphoma of the lungs. All they treated with is steroids.
Not the best treatment!From an article posted on NIH:
“Nevertheless, the Italian Society of Hematology produced clinical practice-guidelines for the management of these rare tumors. In patients with MALT or non-MALT primary lung NHL, the panel of expert recommended for first-line therapy, combination regimens with anthracycline-based chemotherapy or monotherapy in association or not with rituximab.
In addition, for patients with MALT primary lung NHL surgical resection can be the treatment of choice in localized tumors if complete resection can be achieved.
Radiotherapy is to be reserved for patients with a unique, small lesion and observation only can be an alternative in an asymptomatic patient with localized disease.”TLIK -“Many of my generation grew up with televisions in the home, and turned out to be successful klai kodesh.”
I agree with this. I think the reason people harp on these superficial things is because a lot of people in our generation need to put others down.
The easiest way to do this, if you yourself aren’t really Chosuv, is to put others down!WtP -“but any doctor who confuses a fungus with a cancerous cell is not worth the paper his medical degree is written on.”
I’m not going into this issue, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a connection between fungi & cancer.
The science community has already proved a connection between viruses & cancer.
From research in cancer UK:
“And in most of us, it appears to cause no harm at all. But there’s a sinister side to the virus too. In some people, it can cause cancer. In fact, EBV was the first virus found to cause cancer in humans. We now know that, every year, EBV infections trigger 200,000 new cases of cancer – and more than 140,000 deaths – worldwide.”Ubiq -““You obviously don’t understand Trump’s thought process.”) My question is what is his view? Does he view the house’s AHCA (now dead) or does he view it as mean? Or both? (ie thinks it s”fantastic” although “mean””
At this point he‘ll sign anything that will replace Obamacare.
“does he believe a universal health care system with a single payer is a good form of health care like he has stated repeatedly over the years (and as recently as MAy 17′) ?”
I think he does!
“As an aside you said:””The US has the best medical care,”
In what way?”
In treatment.Ubiq -“He has repeatedly stated he believes in universl healthcare
for example in his book in 2002 “We must have universal health care. Just imagine the improved quality of life for our society as a whole,” he wrote, adding: “The Canadian-style, single-payer system in which all payments for medical care are made to a single agency (as opposed to the large number of HMOs and insurance companies with their diverse rules, claim forms and deductibles) … helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans”He’s right in the way socialist medicine works. It’s better for the economy.
But he’s wrong why they live longer!
It’s because of nutrition & exercise. The US has the best medical care, in spite of the DemonCrats trying to destroy it.DY -“However, just because you do research, there’s no guarantee that you didn’t miss something.”
Of course they missed things, but not something that would influence others to do bad things!
They accepted the girl, but because of pressure they kicked her out. IDK what the reason was, but surely it wasn’t because – “It’s a lot more likely for a girl to be sent out for fear that she will have a negative affect on others’ middos and yiras shamayim”!huju -“Repeal without replacement would mean death or severe illness for many people. Perhaps the opening poster owes us an explanation for what he would do for all the people whose health would be severely jeopardized by a repeal, or a faulty repeal-and-replace, of Obamacare.”
You obviously don’t understand Trump’s thought process. Repealing right away would push e/o to come up with a solution. Obamacare is a failure, and it needs to be replaced ASAP!
DY -“It’s a lot more likely for a girl to be sent out for fear that she will have a negative affect on others’ middos and yiras shamayim than due to poor academics.”
I love the people that only look through rose-colored glasses!
The only problem with your theory is that schools check out the students beforehand.
IDK what the problem was, but it definitely wasn’t bad Middos or lack of Yiras Shomayim!Apy -“Read the “madrich” for the BP members and what their poskim hold. It is different than the madrich for the flatbush members, who follow different poskim. You can buy it online”
Why in the world would I buy an Hatzolah Madrich? That’s the last thing I’d ever need!
And btw, even in Lakewood, do you think that they always wait for a Goy to drive them home?!?
So as much as a Frum doc is a Mechallel Shabbos – so is a Hatzolah guy!Ubiq -“Other student’s parents complained that she was accepted.
she was rejected
and ultimately died. (the implication is suicide though this sint explicit either)”That’s not the usual. They usually become drug addicts, due to their rejection!
mentch1-“I think they are malachim”
What kind of Malachim? There are types called Malach Hamuves!
Joe -“Boro Park Hatzalah uses a goy to drive home the Hatzalah members, and their car, who went on a call on Shabbos”
How do you know? Are you on Hatzolah?
Anyways, I think PBA is on Queens Hatzolah. They drive their Ambulances & cars home on Shabbos!PBA -““it is way different from for example being in hatzala where you regularly do melacha on shabbos for specific pikuach nefesh situations. Doctors treat shabbos like any other day.”
In NYC, Hatzolah guys are Mechallel Shabbos just like doctors are!
They drive themselves home, but in Lakewood, they get a Goy to drive them home.
(They don’t call the Goy on the radio, obviously.)Ubiq -“I did”
You did. I stand corrected.
But my point was – my second line!Ubiq -“Others carry a phone answer emergent/urgent questions
Others carry a phone answer urgent emergent questions and occasionally go to the hospital”You didn’t mention the group that don’t carry their phone & don’t go to the hospital.
But it doesn’t mean that if s/o comes to their house – they’ll ignore them.LB -“Now the Red Cross is saying that 5 hard blows to the back may be a better first option when helping someone who is choking.
I learned Heimlech back in elementary school or something”That’s the red cross. Acc. to AHA you just do abdominal thrusts, AKA Heimlech manuver!
Ubiq -“I’m sorry To make up for the lack of response I’ll offer several take your pick”
I’m sorry too! All you can up with is conspiracy theories, but before you denigrate the President of the US in a public forum, you should base it on facts.
I know you would apply this to a DemonCrat president!Ubiq -“Then the Donald stepped in and said “Ubiquitin is right (As usual)””
You still didn’t answer the question! – “I love the conspiracy theories! If you think Comey was on to something with regards to Russia, why would firing him solve anything?!?”
After all – all the obstructionists have brought in an independent counsel & all the congressional committees, so if there is any criminality – they can find it without Comey!
Unless you think that they are incompetent, like you claim Trump is, except for Comey?!?Ubiq -“Nu nu so Trump is incompetent no chidush there”
I know, you rather have Obama! After all, there was no terror attacks during his presidency, or was there?!?
Or perhaps Hillary, so this country will be called The United Mexican States?!?Ubiq -“He will appoint his own crony who wont look into it.”
Now I’ve proven right again. The guy appointed to lead the FBI swears he doesn’t profess alliegence to Trump.
Enough with the lies!Yeshivabochur -“As a divorce lawyer I can tell you that being frum is never a reason in secular Court for a mother to lose a custody case. ”
I don’t know about this case, but I can tell you about my case.
The courts are very much anti-religion. She is not Frum and I am. She gets away with breaking the agreement & I was put in jail for a day. This is Jersey.
All those Jews that voted DemonCrat – this is the outcome!
Trump is right, the country is very much anti-religion.Meno -“Anyone can easily start a campaign on thechessedfund. Even if all the details of the campaign are true, there’s no way of knowing where the money is going if the campaign is not verified.”
The Chessed fund now has an option to verify your campaign. The OP should look into it!
GH -“(as it is in EY and most of the world outside the U.S.) and subsidized as necessary by the government, the market will NOT voluntarily provide care to those who cannot pay (we can argue why) but run in the direction of offering higher quality service at increasingly higher prices to those that can afford it”
The problem with you & all liberals is that you make positions based on true facts, but don’t come out with normal conclusions!
I agree with this – the gov. should provide healthcare for poor people, but why everyone?
They shouldn’t have started Medicare & it’s high time to get rid of it!Mammele -“So if a patient knows that last time his sinus infection, for example, was cleared with anti-biotics, why wouldn’t he want the same treatment for his new infection?”
There are clear guidelines when you give antibiotics for a sinus infection. It’s Not a guessing game!
“And if the doctor isn’t 100% certain that the patient is wrong, why wouldn’t he cave and prescribe it?”
He might. It depends what is important to him/her. If doing the right thing is more important -then he/she will follow the guidelines. If not, he/she might just give the antibiotics!
I think either the cult will collapse or some of his second in command will try to take over!
Moilech -“Guys, calm down.. only morons believe that everyone should be sitting in kollel for their entire lives, expecting others ( and the government) to pay their lives forward”
In EY, that is very common. I don’t think that you can call them all crazy!
A lot of people in Lakwood have taken on that mentality.Meno -“I’m not a doctor, but I think the bacteria itself mutates to develop a resistance”
Not usually. Bacteria talk to each other. That is why they become resistant, when they once were not.
ZD -“There were more arrests today”
From the Asbury Park Press:
“Twelve more residents were charged this morning on allegations of welfare fraud, bringing the total number of people charged in the ongoing investigation to 26.”Joe -“Jews in the State of Israel face a greater terror threat than the Jews in France”
This I agree with. And also in Israel there is a spiritual threat. The zionists that post here can’t begin to see the Truth. Wake up and smell the coffee & I’m Not Satmar!
Wolf -“How about a little “Dan L’kaf Z’chus” and actually answer his question rather than deflect it based on a few words you feel are missing?”
I’ll answer it.
” would deteriorate to the point It has become the welfare capital of the state??”All the rich people in Ameirca, that give $ to Lakewood, only give to the Yeshivos.
The Yeshivos can’t support the Kollel guys, & for sure Not the poor people not in Kollel!
This is why there are a lot of people that need to take the gov. programs.Mammele -“I won’t use the anti-Semitism card, but there are definitely those against the expansion of Jewish Lakewood that may have instigated these investigations. (There are usually anonymous tip lines where one can report such allegations.)”
Now you’re sounding like Joe! All Goyim don’t want different types in their neighborhoods.
The fact is – this investigation started because of a Frum beeper store.
It wasn’t because the gov. woke up one day & decided to get the Jews!
Stop with the Antisemitism card!Avi K -“Health, so cut down on the number of kollel guys to a few outstanding learners”
Why are you addressing me? Maybe I’d agree with that?!?
GH – “Until the leading rabbonim in Lakewood speak out forcefully and unequivocally about these low-lifes who steal from the public”
This will never happen! Do you know how the average guy in Kollel in BMG survives? Well, I’ll tell you – it’s with gov. programs. Unless the Yeshiva starts paying a normal salary, which is very unlikely considering the amount of guys in Kollel!Simcha613 -“I think that hiding our heads in the sand under the guise of preventing loshon hara or dan lechaf zechus is part of the mentality that empowers people to do things that are wrong.”
There are worse things that go on! But just because, certain people/org. are well protected, they & their enablers will have to give a Din V’chesbon and it won’t be pretty.
ZD -“Health
In the state of Texas , it is against the law for the government to interfer with private or home schooling
NY of course is different than texas and is stricter in these laws”Stop living in your dream world! All you need is the SCOTUS or the States’ Supreme Courts to say those laws are illegal. Like they did with the banning of Gay marriage!
ZD -“the UK is not the US and in the US the laws regarding private schools vary from state to state”
So every state will promote the LGBT agenda!
Joe -“They threatened to close down any Yeshiva that doesn’t promote toeiva to 6 year olds through 12 year olds, as an equal and valid lifestyle (regardless of who funds the Yeshiva.)”
And this will happen here in the US & in Canada too!
I can’t understand how Frum people voted for libs/democrats.2scents -“Health, the paragraph that you posted directly concerns EHS, not other heat related illnesses. cellular injury and death is only from heat stroke, not other illnesses”
You actually have to read all my posts before you comment to me!
I posted this previously:
“One hundred of the fatalities … and 38 were from heat-related causes, according to findings published in The American Journal of Sports Medicine.”2scents -“Health, did you compare the yearly related deaths between EHS and anaphylaxis?”
I thought it was obvious from all my posts. Read them!
“EHS is a concern in extreme sports such as marathons or other extreme sports, not the typical sports that are played at schools and yeshivas.”
We weren’t just talking about EHS. Any heat – related illness. When I was a counselor in camp, years ago, heat illness was pretty common. I wasn’t involved with any bad outcomes because they were treated.
I remember when my kids were younger, sometimes they came home with heat – related illness, that wasn’t treated!
Probably it wasn’t even detected!DY -“The upside of allowing peanuts in school is not as great.”
Says who? You?!?
The fact is many kids will skip lunch if they can’t eat peanut butter!
Stop with the banning attitude!
Btw, it’s not personal – my kids eat almost anything.Matan1 -“So don’t play in the heat.”
The American Athletic Society states that in 80 degree temperature with 100% humidity, there’s a high chance of getting a heat-related illness! So IDK of any Yeshiva that stops kids from going outside in such a case.
From JEMS:
“Despite enumerable studies on the prevention and treatment of heat illness, EHS not only continues to be a leading cause of death among athletes in the United States, but disturbingly, the incidence is on the rise.”So again – if you believe in a peanuts’ ban, why not a sports ban?!?
Matan1 -“2) Require everyone to have a heart examination before playing”
That’s nice. Which school will implement such a requirement?
And secondly, if you believe in a peanuts’ ban, why not a sports ban?!?
You didn’t read my whole post.
Again from above:
“One hundred of the fatalities … and 38 were from heat-related causes, according to findings published in The American Journal of Sports Medicine.”Matan1 -“One more time, you can prevent sport injuries with proper precautions. And the worst injuries are not as bad as anaphylaxis.”
How come you don’t read the posts before responding?!?
Let’s see – do high school and college football players wear protective gear? Yes, they do!
So how come they die?!?
And I guess that death is not as bad as anaphylaxis!
And when you retort -“that’s football”- unknown heart conditions & heat-related deaths would apply to all sports. From previous:
“Each year in the U.S. an average of a dozen high school and college football players die during practices and games, according to a new study that finds heart conditions, heat and other non-traumatic causes of death are twice as common as injury-related ones.
Researchers reviewed data from the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research and found 243 football deaths recorded between July 1990 and June 2010.
One hundred of the fatalities resulted from an underlying heart condition, 62 were due to a brain injury – typically a subdural hematoma – and 38 were from heat-related causes, according to findings published in The American Journal of Sports Medicine.”Edited
Lot -“Many schools today don’t wait for that child; the ban is in place without even having a child with sensitivity to peanuts even enrolled.”
That’s so nice. Do they have a ban on playing sports? If not, why not?!?
DY -“If the rule is no peanut butter, kids will adapt. I don’t believe any kids have gone insane or starved to death because they couldn’t eat peanut butter in school”
They’ll just skip lunch! I remember as a kid skipping supper.
Because you think that the whole school has to ban peanuts.
Honestly do you think that’s fair to most of the student body?
I posted a compromise and I’m sure that there are other solutions!
Think with your sense, not with your emotions.Meno -“To all the people insisting that we should make the allergic kids eat lunch alone in a classroom so that the other kids can have peanut butter: that’s called being a jerk.
Schools should be teaching kids not to be jerks”Of course your desire that your kid shouldn’t eat alone, trumps any kid who doesn’t like anything but peanut butter! It really doesn’t matter if the kid goes hungry. Your kid comes first!
I agree – Schools should be teaching kids not to be jerks!