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YFRBachur -“If you are a part of Peleg, The Eida, Neturie Karta, parts of Brisk,Satmar – you think that the protests are the greatest Kidush Hashem possible.”
I agree with you about Peleg, NK.
But I’m part of the Brisk world and I never seen such Rishous in the Medina – ever before!
In our generation, it’s PC to look Frum, but not really know what Yiddishkeit is all about!Phil -“Despite the strident opinions of the great CR poskim such as Joseph, these protests are clearly against Halacha as well as a Chillul Hashem”
I’m always Against the Medina, but the actions of these protestors are worse than the Freye Israelies!
Blocking an ambulance is Abozarayh D’Rezhicha!
Even if s/o holds Al Yomin ShuShmoel, on the leaders of Peleg, that wouldn’t Trump the three worse Aveiros!Yidd23 -“Health, in that case, the death penalty is not a deterrent”
Neither is your case – most guys are Not suicidal!
Yidd23 -“Criminals can use suicide to escape from almost any punishment you try to use on them.”
The Death Penalty works also!
Most States have done away with it, or severely limited it.mw13 -“Make that 59 + 3”
You’re getting delusional!
Do you really think that gun control would have stopped this incident from happening?
This guy was a criminal, but all of a sudden he’d start respecting our laws?!?
I’ll tell you what would have stopped him – Real crime & punishment.
Do you remember – Turn him loose – Bruce?!?NE -“So we’ve now reached the point of the ‘debate’ where someone is telling me I’m living in a ‘make believe dream world’ for thinking that a terrorist who killed 5, 4 with a car and 1 with a knife, would have been more dangerous had he had a gun.”
You so can’t comprehend my simple point!
I couldn’t care less if UK allows citizens guns.
My point was – Why wasn’t an armed cop standing on the Bridge? They should be there all the time!
Your obssesion with guns is not letting you think at all.NE -“And if the attacker had a gun, many more people would have died”
Says who? You?
Stop living in your make believe dream world!
Many terrorists have gotten guns.
It’s probably easier for them to do a vehicle attack.
This doesn’t mean that they can’t be stopped.
They could have had a cop on the Westminster bridge.NE- “None of the victims would have been saved, the car was going very fast, and the policeman who was killed was caught by surprise. Purely through the power of common sense.”
Talking about common sense – What didn’t you understand about my post?
If there was a cop with an automatic weapon (that means a weapon that shoots fast), after the first four victims, the Constable would have shot him Dead, through the window of the car.
This would have stopped the Terror!
The sickness that you spout is the Scourge of the Western World!NE -“they would have not been able to stop the speeding car as it mowed down the first four victims”
Maybe not; but the rest of the victims would be saved!
Stop with your liberal or libertarian ideas.
Even a cop with an automatic weapon, stationed on the bridge, could have stopped the Terrorist!
Do you care about human life or just your particular philosophies?!?Frumguy -“I’ve used both and have always gone back to bamboo poles”
For some reason I had both. When it got windy, I couldn’t sit under the mats!
NE -“Basically, the same country just with more suspicion, violence and death. HIlarious”
STOP with your liberal fantasy!
No one knows the future.
Guns would’ve stopped the Westminster massacare!
From the Telegraff:
“22 MARCH 2017 • 11:45PM
Five dead including police officer and London terrorist
40 hurt after being mowed down by car on Westminster Bridge
Attacker shot by police as he rushes at Palace of Westminster”NE -” that states that there are ‘no guns’. That isn’t the case, never has been, and nobody is saying it should be. In fact, in response to the increasing terror threat, they’ve encouraged more police to take up weapons training, to expand the number of trained firearms officers. If you’re trying to make a coherent point, please do, because I’m mystified as to what you’re trying to get at”
Don’t be so mystified!
Before commenting, you should have gone to that article!
They don’t have a lot of guns in England.
They need more! If some civilians had them – maybe the Terrorists would start being scared!
“As of 2005, around 7% of officers in London are trained in the use of firearms. Firearms are also only issued to an officer under strict guidelines.”Ubiq -“But a “Mass shooting” and a “Multiple shooting” are used interchangeably.”
Sometimes they are; but mostly the News differentiates between Mass & Multiple!
NE -“Nobody’s proposing that law enforcement shouldn’t have access to firearms. If that’s what you’re arguing against, it’s the strawman to end all strawmen.”
Funny that’s exactly the law in the UK.
From Wikipedia:
“In the rest of the United Kingdom, the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers. This originates from the formation of the Metropolitan Police Service in the 19th century, when police were not armed, partly to counter public fears and objections over armed enforcers as this had been previously seen due to the British Army maintaining order when needed. The arming of police in Great Britain is a perennial topic of debate.”Ubiq -“I get when I type in “multiple shooting” I get several hits to mass shootings”
Try SHOOTINGS! I just did multiple shootings. It does come out one mass shooting – Vegas. But the rest
are just Multiple Shootings!NE -“There are armed police, but they’re called upon when needed. There’s enough around to respond quickly in the event of an emergency, or for specific operations.”
That is exactly my point!
What if in England had No guns, not even for Coppers?!?Ubiq -“Is it a secret dictionary?”
I spelled it wrong. Try Wiley.
“Yep thats what I did (as I said) . typed in “Define Multiple Shooting””
Just type in Multiple Shooting, leave out the word Define!
Ubiq -“Also what is the Wilely dictionary?”
A dictionary!“Ealrier you said “Webster’s” which edition? Id love to look it up”
I looked up Mass & added Shooting.
Look up “Multiple Shooting” on Google!The Wilely dictionary defines mass shooting as 4 or more.
But I did a google search on “multiple shooting” and the only one that they called Mass was the Vegas one!Joe – So who should have the guns – just the criminals?!?
Read up about England when they tried – no guns, even for Coppers!Ubiq -“At any rate a MAss shooting is “A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of firearms-related violence.”
Excuse Me?!?
Where do you get your definitions from?” (n o charge! fee info enjoy it. now you are smarter than when this thread began) ”
That’s funny – you’re going to charge me for your FALSE definition!
That’s the definition of a MULTIPLE SHOOTING.
Here is the definition of Mass Shooting from Websters’:
“: to form or gather into a large group”Ubiq -“Depending on how you count there have been 270 mass shootings in 2017
How many of thsoe were by Radical Muslims that were let in?”Your manipulation knows no bounds!
For an English teacher you should know the difference between a mass shooting and a multiple shooting.
And why do we have so many shootings? Because of all the liberal laws!Ubiq – “Of course that isnt to say mass shootings never happen in those countries, but not on the same level as in the US”
You libs never get it! Do you want to decrease mass shootings here?
Stop letting in Radical Muslims!
I know the guy in Florida was born here, but Not the lady in California.Sam2 -“The attacker was firing from the 32nd floor, and the acoustics made it impossible for anyone but well-trained people to tell where it was coming from.”
Let’s say you’re right, but what happened to the Los Vegas police force?!?
If I was in charge – I’d have Sharp- shooters all over the place, with a gathering of 20,000 people!Yidd 23 – See bk613’s post!
Yidd 23 – Even in the liberal States, you don’t have to come on to that!
There is such a thing called Suicide by Cops!Yidd 23 -“Why not just make it illegal to kill people? Oh wait.”
Why not just make it illegal to purchase Automatic Weapons? Oh Wait!
The liberals are overjoyed with this incident – to push their agenda!
The thing that will stop these things is NOT gun control but implementing the Death Penalty.YK -“But higher rates by us frum yidden is a direct effect of adoption to the outside world and specifically to their ideas on marriage and relationships,”
True!
“Too much shmutz out there and too hard not to notice it and not to get enticed”
By this you mean, (Btw, I live in Lakewood), the wife says -“I want a brand new house, just like our neighbors’.”
Not like a poster here that wrote this – “because many FRUM yidden have R”L joined facebook which is the website that has cause THOUSANDS & THOUSANDS of divorces & intermarriages”!I look around and I see the Frum community that has the latest fashions, from houses to cars, but all that they can blame is the internet, which a lot don’t even have!
Joe -“They are a symptom of a disposable society. So many divorces were unnecessary and the marriages were very savable”
In my case, others convinced my ex that our marriage is disposable. it’s interesting how many Frum people have goyishe thinking, but aren’t exposed to TV, internet etc.
From the topic in 2011 called – “Same gender marriage – Immoral?
“Health – 1. The Talmud says that this is one of the crimes for which the Great Flood was visited upon the world and that one of the reasons Hashem doesn’t bring destruction to the world is because Goyim who are Toeivas don’t write Kesubos one to another. (This means legal marriage!) Are you in favor of destruction of the world?”
Right again!
Take a look at the News nowadays!Avram -“Hurricane shutters or plywood placed over the windows can mitigate these dangers”
During the time of Sandy, I live in Lakewood, one of my Mexican neighbors put up plywood on his windows. No one that I saw in town did that.
Anyways, Sandy was just a tropical storm in Lakewood. No Biggie!For Ubiq -“The forecast for next week – is Carribean Islands & then unto Puerto Rico.”
I’m right again!
CA -“Now that Harvey is relatively gone where does the oilam think Irma will hit?”
The forecast for next week – is Carribean Islands & then unto Puerto Rico.
“How hard?”
Right now Catergory 3. It could increase!
Yidd 23 -“I’m so glad women of America have a president who is so strongly against people who assault women”
Your not funny! Another closet liberal.
Tell me did you also rant against Clinton?!?YY – ” victims presumably are of the same religion as their assailants (although they may be of a lower caste). I also wondered above why I’ve never heard of Pakistanis in the U.S. assaulting non-Pakistanis.”
WHY? Because with Trump – they are more scared!
“Here’s another point to ponder: there are many non-Pakistani Muslims in the UK.”
The Muslims’ think that very soon that they will take over all of Europe & Asia!
They won’t have an easy time with the US, because of our resolve!Avi K -“Even if it is not, being that there are many gentiles who sell the phones it is only a question of
מסייע לדבר עבירה. This is allowed in a case where the aveira has not yet been committed ( Netziv, Responsa Meshiv Devar 2:31-32). Even more so being that it is not at all clear that the customers will go into inappropriate sites.”You think these protestors are doing it L’shem Shomyim?
Everything in our day & age is Osser! So no TV, internet, movies, etc.
So what does one do, if they can’t afford the mountains?!?
They go to a Hafgana! (Riot B’laz)YY -“If abuse of young white women by Pakistani men is a cultural thing, then why haven’t I heard of incidents like this in Brooklyn, which has a large Pakistani community”
it’s a Muslim thing! That’s why ISIS does what it does, to women & children that aren’t Sunnis!
In the US, it would be a crime, that would be prosecuted.Avram -“In my area, calling 911 gets you a dispatcher who, based on the information you give, either routes you to medical, fire, or police”
In Lakewood, where I live, when you call 911, even if you’re calling EMS, a cop will show up, if available.
In the OP’s case, there probably is the option of calling Hatzolah, which is preferable, in this case!huju -“Really? White politicians cannot fix abominations? ”
Your obsession with the left wing is clouding your thought process!
We had a black president for 8 years – so I’ll repeat – “If it was such an abomination – it should have been taken down during the time when we had a black president.”
There’s the issue of the timeline.
This shows the issue is to make racial war – so the left can blame Trump!anunran -“Reporting a disturbance or something which you believe might be a crime is your civic duty as an American citizen”
Who said a crime is occuring?
If you don’t know – call EMS!Ubiq – “If you think someone is in danger call the police period. End of discussion.”
But the problem here is – all the guy heard was shrieking.
This isn’t an indication to call the cops, when you could call EMS.