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Yidd23 -“An insanity defense would get them locked up in a mental hospital, and they would rather be in prison”
It’s really not their choice. If one the lawyers or the judge think that his/her’s action was based on a mental condition – they will request a mental eval.
Did you get that it is their choice from “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”?zd -“If a Person really is very seriously Mentally Ill and cannot control himself then he is not responsible”
In reality – there are very few like this. just look at the court system – many in jail are Psychopaths, but they weren’t eligble for an Insanity defense!
Tol -“I do not personally know anyone who has been diagnosed specifically with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.”
That’s because they never got help – there’s nothing wrong with them! They’re Perfect!
Joe -“Health: Was survivor Yossi “Tommy” Lapid also an anti-semite?”
IMHO he was.
Joe -“The above posters will tell you to not C”V judge the survivor George Soros”
Stop with your manipulating lies!
There’s a huge difference between s/o who became disillusioned with Yiddishkeit due to the Holocaust, & s/o who became an anti-semite afterwards!With regards to the News over the weekend – one thing you see – Comey is a fool!
He basically admitted his actions were based that Clinton was going to become President.LS -“psychopath is basically untreatable with drugs or therapy.”
NOT E/O agrees to this!
From Goodtherapy.org:
“Can Psychopathy Be Treated?
Professionals in the field often disagree on whether psychopathy is a condition that can be treated. Many believe no therapy or medication can fundamentally change the brains of those with psychopathy, but others believe there are techniques that can be effective in reducing antisocial behaviors, especially when an individual recognizes these behaviors and chooses to seek help.”haimy -“Should some middos problems be treated by a doctor (or therapist) rather than a mussar seder?”
You obviously are misguided. In a case where s/o is actually diagnosed with a Mental disorder, therapy/meds is an addition to Mussar, Not instead of!
CS -“On this topic, I know there’s supposed to be a slaughter happening in botzra around this time period. Where is that today? ”
Maybe it’s Duma? And we are waiting to see the reaction from Russia & Iran on the Syrian bombing!
LS -“Did I fault him for not doing so?
No. I didn’t lose my entire family , nor did I experience what he did in the camps.”I agree. But the tendency to Judge others is Rampant in our Generation!
As far as atheism is – I’ll quote a Goy:
“Freedom and not servitude is the cure of anarchy; as religion, and not atheism, is the true remedy of superstition.”
Edmund Burke“Man is by his constitution a religious animal; atheism is against not only our reason, but our instincts.”
Edmund Burkekluger yid –
how many screen names do YOU have?I have only one and I never had another SN!
CA -“Because I don’t see this having Russia invading Israel (like by sukkos’ haftorah”
Why Not? From YWN News:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Wednesday evening and called upon him “to desist from any actions that would upset the status quo in Syria and would jeopardize its security.” Putin emphasized that it is imperative to maintain Syrian independence and control of its borders.”I’m sure that it wasn’t just a friendly chat between Buddies!
KY – “So I think an honest observer would excuse me for thinking you are basing your opinion on three cases.”
I want to ask you something – I believe you when you say that you’re not part of H. I also believe CAD is part of them (Eg. Medical director, etc.).
So if you are just a little bit honest, Why didn’t you ask – how I came to my conclusions about Hatzola?!?ky -“He knows two or three cases where there was a negative outcome which he says came because hatzolah convinced the patient not to go to the hospital.”
No way that I base my opinon on three cases?!? Where did you get that idea? You read into my previous post that it was only 3 cases. I wonder why you did that?
I had answered you already, but it didn’t make it through.CA -“I highly doubt it”
Why do you doubt it? The Pres. tweeted the relationship with Russia Now is worse than the Cold War!
LF -“If you have a תביעה on anyone, including an organization, there are channels, steps to follow”
Who said I didn’t? This isn’t my first post to you.
ZD -“Nobody knows who Gog and Magog is”
I heard that it is US & Russia.
And it’s about to begin!CAD -“I’m sorry…..you are absolutely unhinged.”
REALLY? Tell me – do you use other SN’s, like 2scents?
“There is no point in continuing this conversation. You are an internet Troll who revels in controversy. You come on a forum and extrapolate YOUR tiny experience with your local Hatzolah on to the whole organization. Don’t deny it, that what you were trying to do.”
Who’s denying anything? Did you ever wonder why I’m extrapolating to NY Hatzolah?
I’ll tell you Why! Because a lot of guys that I dealt with, either work on NY H or did!“Folks, we can safely ignore this guy. He can stare at his wall at his “three medical degrees” . Medic, EKG tech, and Phlebotomist. All not “degrees” btw. I’m so done…….”
Sounds like you’re getting scared of the Truth – Mr. Hatzola?!?
I did post to e/o that I was a Medic – so No Chiddush here.
But EKG Tech & Phlebotomy is an OUTRIGHT LIE!!!
I’ve done Phlebotomy & looked at EKG’s, but I think a lot of Medical Profs. have done these skills.NDG – “But you are welcome to avoid using them. But so many of us know many, many cases where people’s lives were saved by professional, competent Hatzolah members who performed with the utmost professionalism, respect and confidentiality.”
You obviously didn’t read any of the posts till now! Of course I won’t use them. I was warning others!
“I am sure we all hope that your blinding hate towards Hatzolah does not cause you to do, or not do something that will harm you or your loved ones”
You so missed my point – my Blinding Hate was because I DID use them!
ky -“So now you are championing FOR hatzolah??
Cause they are hands down the fastest.”You also missed my point!
“if you need medical care, the sooner you get it – the better.” Hatzola in most cases is Not Medical Care. There are exceptions to every rule.Ky -“I stated that hatzolah comes fast and you counter with
They don’t want to transport????”This was my response:
“Anyone with a half-brain realizes, if you need medical care, the sooner you get it – the better.”Please follow the conversation!!
And try to respond civilly, if you are able.CAD – “Flatbush Hatzolah’s call volume, let alone the entire NY Hatzolah system.”
I’m amazed that you come here to comment on me! But I’m Not surprised, being that everytime you post on YWN, It’s with your condesending attitude!
How could you say Flatbush Hatzola when I wasn’t talking about them? I posted many times where I live! And it’s Not Flatbush!
BTW, If I visit there and sometimes I do, I won’t use any EMS, IY’H.NDG -“And I still am far from convinced of your ability to conduct objective evaluations. Nothing you have written suggests that you can.”
LOL!!! So who do you expect to give objective evaluations? Hatzola members? Or the PC public?
I was once like you & believed the Frum PC, but what happened that I changed my mind? I became a victim. There is no pubic outcry because very few know the truth!NDG – “JEMS currently has an article on its website that is very laudatory of United Rescue in NJ”
Actually it was started by Hatzola Israel.
They (HI) submit PR articles to EMS World also.
Hatzola Israel is very different than Hatzola Non-Israel.
I haven’t evaluated them yet.Ky -“but you cant honestly claim they are slow to respond”
If you were actually Klug, you would have asked why does that EMS rate better than others!
Anyone with a half-brain realizes, if you need medical care, the sooner you get it – the better.
The reason that system works – the Vollys pretend they are professionals and act like them!
This means they try their best for the pt.I listed 3 cases, where I was present, where s/o called Hatzola, and they decided that the pt. didn’t need transport. 2 of them defintely did, but I wasn’t able to follow up on the third one.
Uncle Ben -“What do you mean unprovable? I can prove it to you right now …”
Why is this topic any different than any topic in the CR or News – Most are just Opinon based?!?
KY – “as to the article from Jem yes I would like to know what you recall from that article”
The research found that the only Volly systems that worked was like in Balto. County, MD.
When a 911 EMS call came in, they dispatched the nearest fire station. A lot of EMS in this country is fire based. They gave the Vollys a few minutes to respond; and if they didn’t respond within the allotted time – they dispatched the nearest paid fire station.Ubiq -“had to call for help ch”v I would without question call hatzolah.”
One question – WHY???
ky -“to sum it all up there is no way to have all EMS workers getting higher exexperience”
Did you read my last post to you?
I forgot training – first time & refreshers. And instructors.
I should have wrote this:
“overstating the worker counts”And I agree, some of the night shift in certain areas and both the night & day shifts in some outer boroughs are not getting a lot of experience.
ky -“sufficient coverage if you accept the total number of calls and the total number of workers as stated in the Wikipedia article unless”
“4414 emergency medical professionals”The number of workers are off. Because it doesn’t include vacation, administrators, people on sick leave, & those on disabilty. Like I said before -“The stats don’t differentiate between outer boroughs & night calls.
They are all inclusive. When I did my Medic training – they were plenty busy. Most days they had more calls than units able to respond to them!”“how do you expect somebody who never heard of this publication to go and find one specific article that I never heard of before”
Ok. When I have time I’ll post what I remember.
2scents -“For instance, I am familiar with a particular skilled nursing facility that for some reason decided on not calling Hatzolah when they have a sick patient. The nursing staff (completely non jewish) protested and requested that hatzolah be the primary EMS agency for the facility.”
Now I have another proof – that I’m not a nurse in my 2 other degrees – I would never call Hatzola to transport from a nursing home. Either it’s an emergency where I’d call EMS or not and I’d call a transport service!
ky -“i am stating that a claim that volunteer services are worse simply because they are not paid is foolish as money/pay does not create competence.”
I agree. I don’t think even Bk613 meant that.
“if there are issues with hatzolah
they do not stem from it being volunteer!!!”They do have probs by the fact that they are vollys, but they have other problems as well.
“as to the article?
no i did not read it
you said you would post it
i am waiting”No, I did not say that I would post it. I don’t remember where it is.
But I remember the reason why they wrote Paid services are better in most cases.
Do you want what I remember?2scents -“The progressive systems have two-tiered systems, such as Kings county medic one, it makes sure that there are adequate resources available at all times,”
Your posts are disjointed. If you try to condense them – I’ll try to answer them.
Are you talking about the State of Washington?ky -“it was an auto correct supposed to say
“Basing any issues on volunteerism is incorrect.”With what medical basis would you post this?
You think that the article in jEMS is incorrect?
Do you even read the article?“why cant i discuss?
as to stats, i posted from wikipedia
averages out to maximum 1.6 per week per person in nyc ems
look it up”Let me explain you something about your aquiring info about NYC EMS – the Stats aren’t accurate.
The stats don’t differentiate between outer boroughs & night calls.
They are all inclusive. When I did my Medic training – they were plenty busy. As a matter fact, they did all sort of Shtick to avoid responding. Most days they had more calls than units able to respond to them!2scents -“Health – if you have the article point to it. I highly doubt that there is such an article that discusses the dynamics of Hatzoloh for many reasons.”
Stop with your lying!
I said the article discusses volunteering in EMS, NOT Hatzola.“Regarding the exposure argument, the average EMT and Medic in the 911 system does not do this full time, most 12 hour shifts see an average of 2 calls.”
Another lie; which 911 system are you talking about?
In NJ most 911 handles many calls.
In NYC, only the outer boroughs, might have less, but I doubt only 2 calls.“Furthermore, a lot of 911 systems are not multi-tiered which means that if the caller gives a nature that would require paramedics, the medics will be dispatched and stuck with the transport, this is a waste of time and resources,”
Another misconception, it’s actually better to not have a tiered system.
The best systems send only Medics to calls. So they do a lot of BLS – So what?!?ky -“Again I think caring any issues on volunteerism is incorrect”
What do you mean by this?!?
I have a feeling that you’re not capable to discuss EMS, which includes Hatzola!CAD -“Mind you, my PERSONAL feeling is that they should’ve been incorporated into Hatzolah”
I agree.
“EN doesn’t (or wont) have the same percieved problems as Hatzolah?”
I addressed this previously – page 6:
“The biggest problem with these orgs. like Hatzola & EN, are the fact that they are volunteer.”ky -“What is Jems article?
BTW my post was supposed to say ”money does not make one more knowledgeable nor more experienced”Journal of Emergency Medical Services.
Of course money doesn’t.
Do you want to know the research brought down in Jems?ky -“I think this argument is wrong.
The reason a ”professional ” would be better is not because he is getting paid. One does not make one more knowledgeable nor more experienced”This is correct! But your assumption why Paid professionals are better – isn’t.
Do yourself a favor and read the Jems article. If you can’t find it, come back.2scents – “Health, can you explain this better?”
Actually I once read this issue in Jems. If you can’t find it, I’ll explain what I remember!
Yidd23 -“I am a velociraptor”
No you’re not!
You posted many times – you’re a cashier in a grocery store.ky -“May hashem send you much simcha and bracha in your life together with the rest of כלל ישראל.”
Thanks.
The biggest problem with these orgs. like Hatzola & EN, are the fact that they are volunteer.
S/o who does this part time can’t be as good as a paid professional.
I’m waiting for all the responses from the Know It Alls!ky -“You know, had you come right out at the beginning and said that, you probably would have garnered sympathy from many readers, and perhaps someone could have been motivated to try to help you.”
I’m not interested in anyone’s help. I already posted why I came to this topic. I came to warn people – I know that in most cases – I won’t be believed. Most calls are not life-threating & the one’s that are – you don’t need EMS per se. Nowadays they have Automatic Defibs in shopping malls. They save lives. When s/o calls for EMS, they expect minumum care.
I hardly seen them work, but in three cases I’ve seen, amongst other cases, they convinced the caller – no transport was needed. One of the cases ended up with a death.
Btw, do you think I kept quiet about my family’s member’s death?