Health

Vaccinator -“Doomsday, health, kavod habriot: ”

WHY are you talking to me? – I vax & had my kids also vaxxed.

Vaccinator -“nice try but none of us believe that you passed reading comprehension let alone did well on it because everything you write shows a total lack of understanding of everything in the literature.”

Thanks for pointing out that point also.
What scares me – is not just a few people that spout this nonsense – that this cult has grown, not just within the Goyishe communities, but also has grown, by leaps & bounds, in the Frum world!

kavod Habriot -“As a parent it should be my decision and my decision only whether or not I am willing to take the risks with the bodies of my children. After all, I brought them into the world and I am responsible for their wellbeing. If a vaccine permanently damages my children I am responsible for taking care of them for the rest of their life, and therefore it should be my choice and not a State mandate!”

You can have that choice when you live in a forest or when you move to Guatamala.
Unfortunely when you live amongst others – they also have rights.
These rights include not getting near unvaxxed people. This includes schools, Shuls, etc.
You can not expose them to diseases, No matter what your beliefs are!

kavod Habriot -“Besides the health risks of vaccination, it is important to discuss the issue of corporate and federal fraud by the vaccine companies. As a parent, if a company is being sued for fraud regarding their product, why in the world would I want to give that product to my children? ”

SO DON’T! What you Anti-vaxxers fail to understand is that by Not vaccinating and living amongst Frum people there is a higher chance of you spreading the disease to us.
If you really had any Kovod Habrious – you’d move to Guatamala, like Lev Tahor!

Doomsday = Joseph? Mods – yes or no?

I doubt it. -100

getitclear -“I believe you take the time to read disease facts. I believe you have the courage to ask your doctor to show you the vaccine package insert, so you can read the adverse side effects related to the vaccine your child is about to receive.
I believe your doctor is honest and lawfully hands that to you, the consumer. I believe you read it….I believe you discuss your concerns and take the time to make a conscious choice to allow your doctor to administer the vaccine to you dear child.”

These 2 paragraphs are full of Sarcasm.

“Because it’s a basic human right to have freedom of choice.”

You can have that choice when you live in a forest or when you move to Guatamala.
Unfortunely when you live amongst others – they also have rights.
These rights include not getting near unvaxxed people. This includes schools, Shuls, etc.
You can not expose them to diseases, No matter what your beliefs are!

Doomsday -“POLIO WAS NOT ERADICATED – IT WAS RENAMED BY THE CDC AFTER POLIO VACCINE INTRODUCED:
1. Cases of inflammation of the membrane that protects the brain and spinal neuron cells, causing muscular weakness and pain (but not paralysis) were no longer classified as “polio”; they were now to be referred to as aseptic meningitis, even if the polio virus was present.
Reported cases of aseptic meningitis went from near zero to thousands, and polio cases dropped the same amount.
EVERY Year there are 75,000 cases of aseptic meningitis,”

I’m getting sick and tired of responding to your ridiculous posts! The reason I keep doing it is because this Anti-vaxxer cult has been instrumental in creating many in the Frum community that believes in this Avodah Zora.
From Medscape:
“Aseptic meningitis may be caused by viruses, bacteria, fungi, parasites, drugs, systemic diseases, and miscellaneous other conditions.

Viral causes include the following:
Enteroviruses – coxsackievirus, echovirus, poliovirus
Herpes simplex virus (HSV) types 1 and 2 (HSV-1, HSV-2)
Varicella-zoster virus
Arboviruses
Epstein-Barr virus
HIV
Influenza virus types A and B
Mumps virus
Coloradotick fever virus
Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus (LCMV)
Rabies

Bacterial causes are as follows:
Partially treated bacterial meningitis
Parameningeal infection
Endocarditis
Mycoplasma pneumoniae
Mycobacterium tuberculosis
Ehrlichiosis – monocytic, granulocytic
Borrelia burgdorferi
Treponema pallidum
Brucella species

Fungal causes are as follows:
Cryptococcus neoformans
Histoplasma capsulatum
Coccidioides immitis
Blastomyces dermatitides
Parasites that can cause aseptic meningitis are as follows:
Toxoplasma gondii
Taenia solium (cysticercosis)

Drugs that can cause aseptic meningitis include the following:
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)
Antimicrobials (e.g., trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, amoxicillin, isoniazid)
Muromonab-CD3 (Orthoclone OKT3)
Azathioprine
Intravenous immunoglobulin
Intrathecal methotrexate
Intrathecal cystine arabinoside
Vaccines
Allopurinol

Systemic diseases that can cause aseptic meningitis include the following:
Sarcoidosis
Leptomeningeal cancer
Posttransplantation lymphoproliferative disorder
Systemic lupus erythematosus
Wegener granulomatosis
CNS vasculitis
Behçet disease
Vogt-Koyanagi-Harada syndrome

Miscellaneous causes include the following:
Arachnoiditis
Migraine
Postinfectious syndromes”

doomsday -“Are you aware that the CDC owns 50 vaccine patents? Are you aware that HALF the new drugs are withdrawn within 5 years of release because they cause so much death and injury? And all these drugs underwent “rigorous safety tests” by Big Pharma and were approved by FDA.”

PROVE THAT! Stop with your lying – in order to Push your Alternative Medicine Theories.

“The drug Viox killed 60,000 people – and it was “safety tested” and approved by FDA.
Still trust “safety tests” and government agencies who have financial ties to Pharmaceutical Companies?
was “safety tested” and approved by FDA.”

ANOTHER LIE! Btw, Vioxx wasn’t removed from the market from the FDA, Merck Pharm removed it voluntarily! Because they found it wasn’t safe for use after 18 months. Up until that time (18 months) Vioxx is/was a safe drug.

Doomsday -“A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).”

Thanks for proving me right! Now maybe 2scents will talk to me nicely about my previous conversations with him. (See the word “Triggers”.)

“So Merck, biggest Vaccine Manufacturer, acknowledges that Vaccines cause Brain Damage. And that is
what Autism is – Brain Damage.”

Stop mispresenting the Truth!
The way you are able to turn things around – you must have a Krumme Kop.
Because of your silliness – I went online to the Merck Manual.

Here’s what it says about Autism:
“The specific cause in most cases of autism spectrum disorders remains elusive. However, some cases have occurred with congenital rubella syndrome, cytomegalic inclusion disease, phenylketonuria, tuberous sclerosis complex, or Fragile X syndrome.
Strong evidence supports a genetic component. For parents of one child with an autism spectrum disorder, risk of having a subsequent child with an autism spectrum disorder is 50 to 100 times greater. The concordance rate of autism is high in monozygotic twins. Research on families has suggested several potential target gene areas, including those related to neurotransmitter receptors ( serotonin and gamma-aminobutyric acid [GABA]) and CNS structural control (HOX genes). Environmental causes have been suspected but are unproved. There is strong evidence that vaccinations do not cause autism, and the primary study that suggested this association has been withdrawn because its author falsified data (see also MMR vaccine and autism).
Differences in brain structure and function probably underlie much of the etiology of autism spectrum disorders. Some children with autism spectrum disorders have enlarged ventricles, some have hypoplasia of the cerebellar vermis, and others have abnormalities of brain stem nuclei.”

Doomsday -“there is no doubt that their injuries were caused by the vaccines.”

I’ll grant you that vaccines are a trigger. Do you know the difference between a cause and a trigger?
Cause means something made this happen. Trigger means it would happen anyways, but it happened now because of this. So the patient would get sick no matter what. It’s just a matter of time.
So why would a rational person delay getting the vaccines because they will get sick at a later date anyways?

Milhouse -“There’s no point in arguing with someone who is simply a liar.”

There’s a reason for their lying – it’s called PROFIT! Unfortunately even within the Frum communities, people have abandoned Medical Science & started relying on Unproven or dangerous therapies.
So the unscrupulus sellers of alternative therapies have taken advantage of this situtation!

doomsday -“YOUR ARE WRONG! According to CDC and FDA government organizations Thimerosal contains Mercury (50%)
CDC quote: “Thimerosal is a mercur y-containing compound ”
FDA quote: “Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight”
FDA quote: infants could have been exposed to cumulative levels of mercury during the first six months of life that exceeded Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommended guidelines for safe intake of methylmercury.”

Where did they get it? From paint or fish?
I hate to do this but the so-called “Frum” Anti-vaxxers can’t stop with their LYING!
I’d like to just ignore them, but they caused/causing an epidemic in Frum commmunties everywhere.

From the CDC:
“Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that has been used for decades in the United States in multi-dose vials (vials containing more than one dose) of medicines and vaccines. There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury.
Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth’s crust, air, soil, and water. Two types of mercury to which people may be exposed — methylmercury and ethylmercury — are very different.
Methylmercury is the type of mercury found in certain kinds of fish. At high exposure levels methylmercury can be toxic to people. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.
Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.
Thimerosal prevents the growth of bacteria in vaccines.
Thimerosal is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose (multi-dose vials) to prevent growth of germs, like bacteria and fungi. Introduction of bacteria and fungi has the potential to occur when a syringe needle enters a vial as a vaccine is being prepared for administration. Contamination by germs in a vaccine could cause severe local reactions, serious illness or death. In some vaccines, preservatives, including thimerosal, are added during the manufacturing process to prevent germ growth.
The human body eliminates thimerosal easily.
Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.
Thimerosal has been shown to be safe when used in vaccines.
Thimerosal use in medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.
There are some side effects of thimerosal in vaccines.
The most common side-effects are minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Although rare, some people may be allergic to thimerosal.
Scientific research does not show a connection between thimerosal and autism.
Research does not show any link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Many well conducted studies have concluded that thimerosal in vaccines does not contribute to the development of autism. Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.”

Illogical Mom – Regarding TDaP & Pertussis – “All it does is lessen or remove symptoms of the actual vaccinee”

Your right. But how come they don’t give DTP anymore? I’ll tell you why – because you Anti-vaxxers convinced the Gov. that it is dangerous – so it’s not available (Usually).
So if s/o dies from Pertussis nowadays – it’s the Fault of the Anti-vaxxers!

sariray -“for example comparing a population of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. It’s the study we’re all waiting for. They won’t do it because it’s “unethical” to deprive children of vaccines. I’m sure we can find volunteers”

All they have to do is get the Anti-vaxxers to volunteer to be part of the study. It’s unethical to force people who want the vax to be part of the study. So about you & your friends volunteer for this type of study?!?

truthishidden –”However, the parents would later have to prove to VAERS that it was the vaccine that caused the death.”

Like I already posted – to win in court – you don’t have to prove anything.
If they actually proved it, post the whole Judgement from the Court.

truthishidden – “Health: probably SIDS, it was probably only confirmed as a death from a vaccine long after the death certificate was done.”

So who confirmed it? And how long afterwards?

truthishidden – So what was written on the death certificate? I highly doubt it was the actual virus.

Joe -“I posted a letter signed by Rav Malkiel, Rav Salomon, Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky, Rav Aharon Schechter”

Those Rabbonim (more like Rosh Yeshivos) are the ones people go to for Eitzas. They aren’t known as Gedolay Psak Halachah.
Here is the Psak – the Gedolim in our generaion came out with:
“Whoever isn’t vaccinated is a murderer” – so reads a Kol Koreh signed by leading Gedolim and Poskim in Eretz Yisroel.

Uncle Ben -“Health; So why should one suffer from the side effects if there are in many cases natural alternatives that do not have such potentially serious side effects?”

Who says I’m against natural alternatives? The facts are they haven’t been proven to be safe.
My main issue is effectiveness! If I think it might work, I’ll take it myself and recommend it to others.
There’s a reason they discovered modern medicine, because ancient medicine has been around for thousands of years. If it worked, you wouldn’t need Modern Medicine!

Wolf -so large that the benefits far outweigh the risks.

That is what medicine is ALL about! When I look up a drug, I never found one with NO Side effects!

2scents -“So now the argument against vaccines uses medical research by doctors and pharmaceutical companies?”

You don’t understand the MO of the Anti-vaxxers! They always thought that they are the real practicers of medicine. Like Dr. Roberts said don’t bother arguing with them – it’s a waste of Time!

akuperma – That is similar to a poster on Lakewood Scoop. He wrote if the schools would kick out the Anti-vaxxers – there wouldn’t be the issue, in our generation, of rejection letters!

Gold – “Matheson Plotkin”

I did, just now. SO WHAT’S YOUR POINT? Are you another anti-vaxxer, but too afraid to come out and say it?!?

sariray -“Yes, profit is a good motivator to lie to the public”

I agree! Are you making Profit when you sell your Alternative Meds Stuff?!?

“The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. ”

The lies keep coming! Was it a double-bind study?

“Statins don’t heal high blood pressure ”

They aren’t meant to!!!!
Why don’t you get one of those pill books?!?
They sell them in Walmart, B&N, Etc.

chan56 – YOU ANTI-VAXXERS NEVER STOP WITH YOUR LIES! No wonder there is an epidemic in the Frum communities.
“This is a link to a study that just came out linking aluminum in vaccines to bizarre behavior in sheep”

It’s IRONIC that you brought a study using sheep. Because the Anti-vaxx movement think like SHEEP!

From the CDC:
“Adjuvants have been used safely in vaccines for decades.
Aluminum salts, such as aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum potassium sulfate have been used safely in vaccines for more than 70 years. Aluminum salts were initially used in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s with diphtheria and tetanus vaccines after it was found they strengthened the body’s immune response to these vaccines.
Newer adjuvants have been developed to target specific components of the body’s immune response, so that protection against disease is stronger and lasts longer.
In all cases, vaccines containing adjuvants are tested for safety and effectiveness in clinical trials before they are licensed for use in the United States, and they are continuously monitored by CDC and FDA once they are approved.”