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DY -“And why isn’t the fact that anti-vaxxers are sold selected a confounding factor?”
Which one?
I met R Yerucham Leshinsky in Lakewood. Maybe he’s moving here.
Dooms -“YES! That is what Anti-Vaxxers want – a retrospective study comparing vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
But CDC REFUSES to do the study – because they KNOW it will show that Vaccines Cause Autism
and many other diseases.
Glad you finally agree that a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study SHOULD be done”I don’t know why I’m not getting through to you!
I’ll try again. I think it’s at least three times.
No, the CDC should NOT do the study.
YOU, Yourself should! (DO THE STUDY.) You can find a lot of Anti-vaxxers, like yourself.For the Study:
Use the Anti-vaxxers, that won’t Vax.
For the Vaxxers – you would have to do a retrospective study; that’s because people that want to vaxx – you can’t Stop them!Dooms -“AntiVaxxers would not let their children participate because they believe vaccines are too dangerous.”
So you would have to use the Anti-vaxxers, that won’t Vax.
For the Vaxxers – you would have to do a retroactive study.
This would be accepted by most normal people on both sides.Dooms -“Health, if you deny Healthy User Bias, why are Clinical Trials ALWAYS RANDOMIZED?”
I did Not deny anything! There are other posters here that respond to you.
You probably have more than one SN, I Don’t!Dooms -“Anti-Vaxers would LOVE a double blind study.
CDC refuses – says it’s unethical.”You misunderstood me. They say it’s unethical to do a vaxxed to unvaxxed study, because you’re denying those kids the vaccine.
But you could do a study on other diseases besides Autism possibly caused by Vaccines: SIDS, Cancer, Diabetes, Epilepsy, Learning Disabilities, ADHD, Allergies (can be Fatal), Asthma.
You hold vaccines are more dangerous than the disease that they work against!
So YOU DO the Study.No, but it helps, like anywhere.
Dooms -“But 100% UNVAXED Siblings of Autistic DON’T get Autism.”
Prove that with a Double-blind study.
One instance that was presented here is Not enough!“There are many other diseases besides Autism caused by Vaccines: SIDS, Cancer, Diabetes, Epilepsy,
Learning Disabilities, ADHD, Allergies (can be Fatal), Asthma”You have to prove your theories with Double-blind studies!
TIH -“The glysophate in the MMR allows the glutamate and aluminum to cross the blood – brain barrier which are neurotoxins.”
Here we go Again!!!
Does MMR cause Autism?
Proof from above:
“Since the Vaxxed group got the MMR, the percentage of Autism would be same or more, than the partial vaxxed group or unvaxxed group!”TIH -“Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 23 Number 4 Winter 2018
The above printed a re-analysis of the CDC’s MMR-autism data from the original Destefano e at 2004.
These relationships call into question the conclusion of the original Destefano et al. 2004 paper which dismissed a connection between the MMR vaccine and autism.”STOP with Anti-vax propaganda!
All JAPS did was print the copy of Hooker’s paper – which is Not a New thing!
The CDC Replied to his comments.
From the CDC:
“CDC’s study about age at first Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccination and autism, published in Pediatrics in 2004, included boys and girls from different ethnic groups, including black children. The manuscript presented the results on two sets of children:
All children who were initially recruited for the study, and
the subset of children who had a Georgia birth certificate.
Access to the information on the birth certificates allowed researchers to assess more complete information on race as well as other important characteristics, including possible risk factors for autism such as the child’s birth weight, mother’s age, and education. This information was not available for the children without birth certificates; hence CDC study did not present data by race on black, white, or other race children from the whole study sample. It presented the results on black and white/other race children from the group with birth certificates.
The study looked at different age groups: children vaccinated by 18 months, 24 months, and 36 months. The findings revealed that vaccination between 24 and 36 months was slightly more common among children with autism, and that association was strongest among children 3-5 years of age. The authors reported this finding was most likely a result of immunization requirements for preschool special education program attendance in children with autism.
The data CDC collected for this study continue to be available for analysis by others. CDC welcomes analysis by others that can be submitted for peer-review and publication. For more information on how to access this public-use dataset please go to the this [sic] webpage.
Additional studies and a more recent rigorous review by the Institute of Medicine have found that MMR vaccine does not increase the risk of autism.
Vaccines protect the health of children in the United States so well that most parents today have never seen first-hand the devastating consequences of diseases now stopped by vaccines.
However, our 2014 measles count is the highest number since measles was declared eliminated in 2000. We do not want to lose any opportunity to protect all of our children when we have the means to do so.”TIH -“Also, just because diseases are infectious doesn’t mean they’re bad or that we need to eradicate them.”
I guess that Death in Kids is Not a Bad thing!
From the WHO.Int:
“Even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available, in 2017, there were 110,000 measles deaths globally, mostly among children under the age of five.”Dooms -“Parents who have a Child who is showing SIGNS OF AUTISM are more likely NOT to give the MMR – which is given at 12-15 months.
By 12-15 Months, the child was already INJECTED with 3,675 mcg of ALUMINUM and is showing signs of Vaccine Damage.
BUT – if parents see their child is AUTISTIC at 12-15 Months, they don’t give the MMR.
It’s NOT RANDOM – get it???
This causes the No MMR/PARTIALLY Vaxed kids to have a Higher Rate of Autism –
which HIDES that MMR raises the risk of Autism and INVALIDATES the Study!
The HEALTHY Kids get MMR and the AUTISTIC Kids DON’T get MMR”It doesn’t INVALIDATE the Study!
Here’s WHY!
I’m trying to explain simple logic to you.
“Parents who have a Child who is showing SIGNS OF AUTISM are more likely NOT to give the MMR – which is given at 12-15 months.”I agree with that.
“By 12-15 Months, the child was already INJECTED with 3,675 mcg of ALUMINUM and is showing signs of Vaccine Damage.”
Let’s say you’re right.
“The total Vaxxed kids only 1% became Autistic, while the partial Vaxxed kids – 7% became Autistic.
If Vaccines caused Autism, it would both be the same percentage or the total Vaxxed kids would be more.”
Forget about MMR, but let’s discuss Aluminum.
All kids in this study got Aluminum. So if Al caused Autism , it would both be the same percentage or the total Vaxxed kids would be more!
Now we can go back to MMR, Al doesn’t cause Autism.
So what about MMR?
Since the Vaxxed group got the MMR, the percentage of Autism would be same or more, than the partial vaxxed group or unvaxxed group!So again if Vaccines caused Autism, it would both be the same percentage or the total Vaxxed kids would be more.
This is Why you Need an Education or at least if you don’t have or want one, you should defer to ones that are Knowledgeable!
All these Anti-vaxxers should be treated like Lev Tahor!TIH-“don’t bother, even if you come out ahead in this argument, there are many, many more reasons NOT to vaccinate”
Could you name them? And bring some Real Proof!
Btw, there are Reasons to Vaxx – to prevent some Infectious diseases.Dooms -“antivaxxers care MORE about their children’s health then mindless sheep”
If they really cared about their kids, they would Vaxx. It’s one of the best preventions against infectious diseases!
Dooms -“Show me the study that compared Autism Rate between Vaxxed and 100% Unvaxxed.
All the ProVax Studies have been between Vaxxed and Partially Vaxxed!”Even if you’re Right, we have proven Vaccines don’t cause Autism!
“The MMR-AUTISM Sibling Study looked at the Insurance Records of 95,000 Children and said the Autism Rate was same whether or not the children got MMR rate. The Study then FRAUDULENTLY stated this “Proves” that MMR does not cause Autism! This is why Healthy User Bias makes the Study INVALID:
1. Babies receive vaccines BEFORE they’re Born (Dtap and Flu), AT BIRTH (Hep B) and at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months. These babies have been INJECTED with 3,675 mcg of Aluminum by 6 months.
2. The MMR Vaccine is given at 12-15 Months. Parents whose children are NORMAL give the MMR shot.
Parents whose children show signs of AUTISM do NOT give the MMR shot!
This causes MORE children with Autism to be in the Non-MMR Category.
But these children likely became Autistic BECAUSE of all the previous Vaccines they had!”It shows how confused you are!
You don’t even understand what we are trying to prove with these studies.
Since you don’t know – I’ll tell you;
We are proving Vaccines don’t cause Autism!
The total Vaxxed kids only 1% became Autistic, while the partial Vaxxed kids – 7% became Autistic.
If Vaccines caused Autism, it would both be the same percentage or the total Vaxxed kids would be more.
This is basic HIGH SCHOOL MATH!
Are all the Anti-vaxxed guys in the Frum community the same genius as you, or at least they’re just vastly ignorant?!?Joe -“And it isn’t just Brisk and Satmar that holds of the same shittos as Rav Shmuel”
I disagree! I hold like Brisk and it doesn’t come close to Rav S. Auerbach’s Shita. They are worlds apart.
But for Sholom, we should do like R’ Ahron Leib, Ztl & R’ Chaim, Shlita.Dooms -“Or is he LYING and calling Partially Vaxxed “UNVAXXED”???”
It really doesn’t matter if the study was really Partially Vaxxed to Vaxxed!
If you would have looked at the research you’ll see that Vaxxed has less Autism than Partially Vaxxed or Unvaxxed.
I know that you won’t believe me, but maybe I can convince other Anti-vaxxers!Here is the pertinent part:
“In the new study, MMR vaccination rates for children without an affected older siblings were 84 percent at 2 years and 92 percent by age 5 years. Vaccination rates for children with an older sibling affected by autism were significantly lower: 73 percent at 2 years and 86 percent at age 5 years.
Of the 95,727 children in the study, around 1 percent (994) were diagnosed with autism during the study’s follow-up period. Among those who had an older sibling with autism (1,929), approximately 7 percent (134) developed the disorder. This difference in autism prevalence – between children with or without an older sibling affected by autism – is consistent with earlier studies.”Dooms -“Some ProVaxxers found Lying Websites called “Science Based Medicine” and “TruthScapism”
that falsely claim there ARE studies that are vaxxed vs unvaxxed”And here’s some more:
“In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Bryan King, director of the Seattle Children’s Autism Center, writes:
“Taken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity or course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.”Dooms -“So CDC only makes FRAUDULENT Studies showing Vaccines are Safe – ”
Unfortunately you’re so brainwashed you don’t even read my posts.
You just post your Anti-vaxxing theories without reading anyone else’s posts.
I’m going to repeat them, but not for you, but for the followers of the Anti-vaxxer movement in the Frum community!From Vaxopedia:
“But of course, aluminum in vaccines doesn’t cause autism.
In fact, “vaccines using aluminum adjuvants have a demonstrated safety profile of more than six decades.”
“concludes that “we found no evidence that aluminum salts in vaccines cause any serious or long-lasting adverse events.”This proves vaccines are safe & effective, no matter what the Anti-vaxxers say or write!
DY -“Do all vaccines contain the same ingredients?
Then your analogy falls flat on its face.
You’re contradicting yourself again.”Stop trying to use logic on Illogical Anti-vaxxers!
T2-2T – I just found out this Shabbos – I’m friends with the editor.
But I’m more right that Rav S. Auerbach Ztl.Dooms -“Philippine children get less vaccines and have much lower rate of Autism. Less vaccines = Less Autism.”
Stop with the Lying!
From Vaxopedia:
“Aluminum and Autism
While aluminum didn’t replace thimerosal in vaccines, it did replace thimerosal as what they could blame for the autism epidemic.
But of course, aluminum in vaccines doesn’t cause autism.
In fact, “vaccines using aluminum adjuvants have a demonstrated safety profile of more than six decades.”
Studies have concluded that the risk of aluminum in vaccines to infants “is not significant” and that the “risk to infants posed by the total aluminum exposure received from the entire recommended series of childhood vaccines over the first year of life is extremely low.”
As you get educated about vaccines, you will hopefully understand that the presence of aluminum in vaccines is not a good reason to skip or delay getting your kids vaccinated and protected against vaccine-preventable diseases.
Misinformation about Aluminum in Vaccines
Why are some parents afraid of aluminum in vaccines, sometimes going so far as asking their pediatrician to order vaccines with lower levels of aluminum or only wanting to give their child one aluminum containing vaccine at a time?
It is likely a safe bet that they are getting the idea from Dr. Bob Sears, who goes on and on about the possible dangers of aluminum, all of the while using a reference that concludes that “we found no evidence that aluminum salts in vaccines cause any serious or long-lasting adverse events.”
Dr. Bob once wrote an article for Mothering Magazine, “Is Aluminum the New Thimerosal?” He seems to be working hard to make sure that it is, as a source of fear for parents who want to follow his non-standard, parent-selected, delayed protection vaccine schedule.”Dooms -“The aluminum in Flu Vaccine is probably one of the causes of Alzheimers Epidemic in the elderly.”
It’s very sad that you believe all the conspiracy theories out there!
From Alzheimers Assn.:“Myth 4: Drinking out of aluminum cans or cooking in aluminum pots and pans can lead to Alzheimer’s disease.
Reality: During the 1960s and 1970s, aluminum emerged as a possible suspect in Alzheimer’s. This suspicion led to concern about exposure to aluminum through everyday sources such as pots and pans, beverage cans, antacids and antiperspirants. Since then, studies have failed to confirm any role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Experts today focus on other areas of research, and few believe that everyday sources of aluminum pose any threat.
Myth 6: Flu shots increase risk of Alzheimer’s disease.
Reality: A theory linking flu shots to a greatly increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease has been proposed by a U.S. doctor whose license was suspended by the South Carolina Board of Medical Examiners. Several mainstream studies link flu shots and other vaccinations to a reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease and overall better health.
A Nov. 27, 2001, Canadian Medical Journal report suggests older adults who were vaccinated against diphtheria or tetanus, polio and influenza seemed to have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease than those not receiving these vaccinations. The full text of this report is posted on the Canadian Medical Journal website.
A report in the Nov. 3, 2004, The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that annual flu shots for older adults were associated with a reduced risk of death from all causes. The abstract of that report is posted on PubMed.”Ubiq -“what about the Philippine study?”
Excuse me. You shouldn’t be asking the newest expert on Human Immunology a question.
His expertise vastly exceed yours’!
I know this because he/she has parted his/her vast knowledge on most of these 26 pages.Dooms -“So VACCINATED can Also SPREAD DISEASE – including Measles!”
“Influenza, for example, is responsible for 250,000-500,000 deaths each year, according to the WHO. Yet, campaigns to extend influenza vaccine to all elderly subjects report little success, because of the vaccine scare and because not all patients develop immunity following vaccination.”
From YWN News: “Owner Of Famous Hotel In Uman Niftar After Contracting Flu”
So Mr./Ms. Dooms – (the expert on Human Immunology) do you recommend people should get the Flu shot or not (like you’re against getting MMR)?!?
To E/O: The epidemic of Measles is Not over! I saw on the Lakewood website – a commentor writing that a young teenager just was diagnosed with Measles last week.
These Anti-vaxxers turn the Torah on it’s Head.Even the Amish are starting to Vaxx.
From VeryWellHealth:
“The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC. “We run a weekly vaccination clinic and it’s very busy.” He says Amish vaccinations rates are lower than the general population’s, but younger Amish are more likas the ely to be vaccinated than older generations.
Just to check for myself, I called Strauss’s clinic and chatted with a community liaison named Rebecca. Rebecca, who grew up among the Amish, confirms that about 70% of the Amish in Lancaster County do, indeed, vaccinate.”Dooms -“There has been One Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows Unvaxxed children have way
Less: Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma then Vaxxed children!”Are you talking about the Mansom study?
Here’s what ScienceBasedMedicine.org wrote about this study:
“Antivaccine websites have been touting two recently published studies as strong evidence that vaccinated children are less healthy than unvaccinated children. The studies are so flawed that they show nothing of the sort. Even more hilariously, the bottom-feeding predatory open access journal that published them appears to have retracted them.”Dooms -“Among the Amish, the ONLY children with Autism have Obvious Genetic defects similar to Downs Syndrome. The Amish Children with Autism have ABNORMAL facial features”
Another LIE!
“That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish”If you would have gone to that site, – you’d understand that the Amish have both types.
So, if there’s genetic reasons for “with autism-like symptoms”, maybe, just maybe, there is genetic reasons for Autism?!? In general, whether by the Amish people and/or by the rest of the population.Dooms -“So NAME a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study, Health, or Stop Lying that they exist!”
I told you to go to that site, but Instead you keep trying to manipulate the readers of YWN!
So I went to a site called “thoughtesapism” & I posted 3 of those studies. There are More!
Sorry, I didn’t do it because you asked me to, but because some readers might be Sitting on the Fence about Vaxxing.
“One German study from 2011 evaluated data from 17 641 children and adolescents and found that the prevalence of allergic diseases (such as skin conditions) and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status. However, not surprisingly:
The lifetime prevalence of diseases preventable by vaccination was markedly higher in unvaccinated than in vaccinated subjects.
In another German study, from 2013, 1315 babies were followed from birth until they were 20 years old to study the development of asthma. They concluded that the vaccinated have lower rates of asthma compared to non-vaccinated.
To look at the situation in a very different part of the world where the proportion of vaccinated/unvaccinated people are nearly reversed compared to the western world, here’s a study 2011 from the Philippines, called The effect of vaccination on children’s physical and cognitive development, which finds:
…no effect of vaccination on later height or weight, but full childhood vaccination for measles, polio, Tuberculosis (TB), Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus (DPT) significantly increases cognitive test scores relative to matched children who received no vaccinations. The size of the effect is large, raising test scores, on average, by about half an SD.
It is worth noting that vaccination rates in the Philippines are still relatively low, and the effects of the infectious childhood diseases themselves (referred to as ‘stunting and wasting’ in this study) are likely the biggest contributing factor to the lower cognitive scores of the unvaccinated children. To avoid socioeconomic confounding factors, the study did match the results for household characteristics”TIH -“Health, question is, are vaccines MORE deadly?”
It shows how desperate you Anti-vaxxers are becoming!
What now are you claiming is a deadly disease? Autism??? LOL!!!TIH -“BTW, autism is far from the only reason not to vaccinate.”
BTW, Stopping deadly diseases are a Very good reason to Vaxx!
Dooms -“The reason the government forces is because government are TYRANTS who want to be force people to do everything they say. Per Government Tyrants, NOBODY is competent to make decisions.”
Another Lie!
It’s because of people like you that the government needs to get involved.
Anti-vaxxers are spreading diseases like Measles.“Government wants to tell everyone what to think:
You must say Homosexuality is Good.
You must say a man is a woman and a woman is a man.
You must say Islam is the religion of peace.”I got news for you – Obama isn’t President anymore!
But you’re giving good reasons not to vote Democrat.Dooms -“So, name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.”
I answered this already on page 22.
“4. There has never been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. This is a favorite antivaccine fantasy. First, the question is framed as a randomized study, like a drug study, in which one group receives a placebo. This, of course, would be unethical because one group would be left unprotected. It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”And if that doesn’t satisfy you – you can go to their website called ScienceBasedMedicine.org.
“And vaxxed means per CDC schedule and unvaxxed means 100% unvaxxed.”
Says who? You? Go to that website & you’ll see how the Anti-vaxxers have you brainwashed!
Dooms -“There were robust body of peer-reviewed scientific studies that supported that smoking doesn’t cause cancer.”
I don’t know if there was.
But the implication that no one knew that smoking was dangerous is False!
From the NIH:
“Reformers, hygienists, and public health officials argued that smoking brought about general malaise, physiological malfunction, and a decline in mental and physical efficiency. Evidence of the ill effects of smoking accumulated during the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.”Dooms -“By the Amish, the children who are autistic or retarded have abnormal facial features – just like down syndrome children look different.”
General population:
“The children look typical and there is no known genetic condition for the cause of autism.”
You so missed my point!
This is an Anti-vaxx website.
Here’s the area that proves I’m right:
“That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish”
If there’s genetic reasons for “with autism-like symptoms”, maybe, just maybe, there is genetic reasons for Autism?!?Dooms -“Because children are not competent to make decisions.”
The reason the government has to force e/o to Vaxx, is
because Anti-vaxxers are not competent to make decisions.Doomsday -“The theory that genetics is responsible for Autism is another cover up that vaccines are the main cause of autism.”
The next post will prove that even Anti-vaxxers believe Autism can come from Genes.
From the VaccineReaction.org – a paper from the NVIC (Basically an Anti-vaxx site).
“Genetic Links to Disorders With Autism Features
That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish, but evidence indicates that many of the disorders with autism-like symptoms noted among these communities are linked to genetic mutations, rather than to a primary diagnosis of ASD.”Edited. Please no more insults.
DoomsKUP -“All Anti-Vaxxers want is the Right to Decide whether or not they or there children should be Vaccinated.
There are Risks/Benefits to both vaccinating and not vaccinating.
But government should not be allowed to Forcibly inject you or your children with Risky Vaccines.”This would be correct when it comes to your own & families health. When it come to e/o’s health besides yourself & your family, it’s wrong!
For example: Measles – the Frum community now has an epidemic & since it is an airborne disease – it’s spread rapidly.
Now the Gov. should get invovled because it’s in the Domain of Public Health.
Public Health trounces your individual rights!Dooms-KUP -“There is no law preventing doctors from injecting pregnant women and babies/children with Thimerosal.”
There is no reason to! The whole reason that they even removed Thimerosal from Vaccines, was because of you Anti-vaxxers!
From the FDA:
“No Link between Thimerosal in Vaccines and Autism
Although all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger in the U.S. are available in formulations that do not contain thimerosal, thimerosal has a long record of safe and effective use in preventing bacterial and fungal contamination of vaccines, with no ill effects established other than hypersensitivity and minor local reactions at the site of injection.
There is a robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines. The scientific evidence collected over the past 15 years does not show any evidence of harm, including serious neurodevelopmental disorders, from use of thimerosal in vaccines. Specifically, the Institute of Medicine (now known as the National Academy of Medicine), and others have concluded that the evidence favors rejection of a link between thimerosal and autism. Scientific studies of the risk of other serious neurodevelopmental disorders have failed to support a causal link with thimerosal.”Dooms-KUP -“Not every child who is vaccinated gets autism.”
So what is the solution? The insane solution by the Anti-vaxxers is that no one should be Vaxxed!
You can do that by smoking, because there is no health benefit. Do you Anti-vaxxers actually think there’s No benefit to Vaxx?!?
That’s why there’s an epidemic of Measles in the Frum communities.DoomsKUP -“It is IMPOSSIBLE for autism to go from 1:3,333 (1970 – today’s expanded definition of autism) to 1:50 with
GENETICS!”How come you don’t read anyone else’s post to answer your question? I posted this on page 22:
“1.Autism is an epidemic. Nary a mention is made of the effect of changes in diagnostic definitions in the 1990s, better screening, and diagnostic substitution that strongly suggest autism prevalence is likely not increasing.”2scents -“The biggest factor at this point, is genetics.”
Now how would these Anti-vaxxers believe this, when they don’t have any SENSE?!?
Dooms-KUP -“Another Lie! I have repeatedly said that Aluminum in Vaccines is a Neurotoxin!
Maybe you don’t know what “Neurotoxin” means? It means Aluminum causes BRAIN DAMAGE!
And that is what Autism is – Brain Damage!”Mr/Ms. DoomsKUP here’s what you wrote on page 3:
“THese flu shot contain 25 mcg Thimerosal! And the so called “thimerosal-free” vaccines still contain so-called “trace amounts” of Thimerosal. So Thimerosal was not really removed, it was SHUFFLED Around. That is why Autism rates continued to rise.”
So which one is it? IS IT THIMEROSAL OR ALUMINUM THAT CAUSES AUTISM? Or Both Or NEITHER?
That’s why I wrote this:
“Dooms-KUP isn’t up on the Latest Anti-Vaxxing theories. They Now believe it’s the Aluminum in the Vaxx that causes Autism. The MMR is the trigger that makes Aluminum show the signs of Autism.”Before you push your Alternative Medicine on e/o – YOU SHOULD FIRST KNOW THE LATEST THEORIES!!!
To E/O:
Dooms-KUP isn’t up on the Latest Anti-Vaxxing theories. They Now believe it’s the Aluminum in the Vaxx that causes Autism. The MMR is the trigger that makes Aluminum show the signs of Autism.Dooms-KUP -“157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism.”
So What’s the Solution?
OOh – Ah – I Know Don’t Vaxx – NOT!From VERY WELL Health:
“Unvaccinated Children with Autism
You may not hear about these children very often, but there are certainly unvaccinated children with autism. Several comparison studies have been made of autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children and found no difference. One such study was from Japan where the MMR vaccine was withdrawn from the country due to concerns about aseptic meningitis. In the study, at least 170 children were found to have developed autism even though they had not received the MMR vaccine.
But that’s just one vaccine, there are also many examples of completely unvaccinated children who have developed autism. A study published in the February 2014 issue of Autism found that “the rates of autism spectrum disorder diagnosis did not differ between immunized and nonimmunized younger sib groups.”
Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn’t though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:”DoomsKUP -“A Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study means 100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% NOT Vaccinated.”
That’s your definition, we can prove that incidence of Autism with Vaxxed kids, is Not greater
than Unvaxxed kids, with other studies.
OH, HERE’S ONE – JAMA 2275444:
How many times do I have to tell you – that JAMA study with 95,000 kids included vaxxed – totally unvaxxed?!?”DoomsKUP -“And when the Government arrests Parents for givisng their Children a Bris or a Torah Education,”
This Gov. isn’t anti-religion, but they believe in Human Rights. If the Gov. believed giving a kid a Bris was dangerous they would outlaw it.
The question I have is why not vaxxing a kid is Not a criminal offense?Now I’m going to post about the most Anti-vaxxers’ LIES!
They are discussing the Anti-vaxxer movie called – “Vaxxed”:
From ScienceBasedMedicine.org.
“Yes, VAXXED is a deceptive bit of antivaccine propaganda, but it’s unfortunately become an influential piece of antivaccine propaganda. For example, Wakefield and Bigtree have actually successfully used VAXXED to influence Congressmen.
1.Autism is an epidemic. Nary a mention is made of the effect of changes in diagnostic definitions in the 1990s, better screening, and diagnostic substitution that strongly suggest autism prevalence is likely not increasing.
2. Vaccines are not tested for safety as rigorously as pharmaceutical drugs (and, oh, Vioxxx…). Wrong. They are tested at least as rigorously as than other drugs.
3. The vaccine omnibus hearings were defeated by a single “fraudulent study” from the CDC; that is, DeStefano et al, the very study featured in VAXXED as having been revealed as “fraudulent” by William Thompson. Nope. You can also read more here. I also note that one of the children who was a test case used to establish biological plausibility, William Yates Hazlehurst, was shown in video in VAXXED without the audience being informed that this child was one of the test cases and that his parents’ complaint was denied.
4. There has never been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. This is a favorite antivaccine fantasy. First, the question is framed as a randomized study, like a drug study, in which one group receives a placebo. This, of course, would be unethical because one group would be left unprotected. It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”DoomsKUP -“Health, this does NOT mean there were ANY 100% UNVAXXED children in the 95,000 child Study!!!”
Mr/Ms. Uneducated, Not ONLY do you have no knowledge of Science, but you don’t have any comprehesion of English WORDS.
“also included as fixed covariates”
What does this part of the sentence MEAN?!?DY -“Heath (AKA doomsday), why should I believe you?”
MY name is Not Heath!
Maybe you had too many X-mas spiced egg-nog drinks?