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RE – The problem is that people have Negious, esp. against Trump.
They are going to have a lot of studies that will try to disprove what he said.
If you paid attention to my posts – you’d see that I only recommended HCQ together with Zinc and early on in the disease.
They have proved this in-vivo. I posted the study above.
I know the Trump haters will do anything to disprove his words.
But the facts are – you really didn’t need a big Human study to prove that it works because of this NIH Article:
“Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro.”Haimy -“Each mispalel remains on their own front steps approximately, 40 feet away from his neighbors’ house, fulfilling all the requirements of social distancing”
Stop Dreaming! Most porches in Lakewood aren’t 40 feet away. Some are like 8-10 feet away.
This can spread disease.
Ya’know a lot of places are not allowing any Minyanim, eg. Passaic!RE – They just had 1000+ blood samples in Lakewood sent to Mayo clinic to do the same thing.
They have been doing this therapy since the late 1800’s. It’s not too efficient.
Modern Medicine uses Medications!Oh Charlie, -“Lots of drugs work in vitro and are either useless or even dangerous when given to humans.”
True, but Not HCQ.“No, it has NOT been proven that it works at all.
Until the larger clinical trials are completed we do not have evidence that it is efficacious.”FALSE.
“And it is known to have serious potential for harm.”
ANOTHER FALSEHOOD!
Let’s see why everything you posted is NOT True.
They use HCQ for Lupus & RA – so it’s pretty Safe.
And it has been proven that it works!
From ABOVE:
“The initial results from a placebo-controlled trial of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 indicate that patients hospitalized with mild illness recovered more quickly with addition of the drug than with placebo at the start of a standard treatment.”From my post on page 1:”but anybody with symptoms should be able to get it! Not like in NY.”
I don’t understand why this topic has become about a doc named Zelenco!
Anybody who wants to take HCQ – should be able to!
It’s also very puzzleling why Frum Doctors are taking Cuomo’s stand on HCQ.
We as Frum people will do almost anything to save even one life!From Contagion Live:
“The initial results from a placebo-controlled trial of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 indicate that patients hospitalized with mild illness recovered more quickly with addition of the drug than with placebo at the start of a standard treatment. The results also suggest that hydroxychloroquine might convey some protection against the illness worsening.
Zhan Zhang, MD, of Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University, Wuhan, China, and colleagues reported results from 62 patients randomized to receive either placebo or hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice daily for 5 days on admission in addition to standard treatment consisting of oxygen therapy, and unspecified regimens that could include antiviral and antibacterial agents, and immunoglobulin with or without corticosteroids.
“The data in this study revealed that after 5 days of hydroxychloroquine treatment, the symptoms of patients with COVID-19 were significantly relieved, manifesting as shorten(ing) in the recovery time for cough and fever,” Zhang and colleagues reported.
“At the same time, a larger proportion of patients with pulmonary inflammat(ion) has been partially absorbed in the hydroxychloroquine treatment group, indicating the immune modulation and anti-inflammatory properties of hydroxychloroquine in non-malarial diseases,” the researchers indicated.
The measure of time to clinical recovery was defined as return of normal body temperature and cough relief, maintained for 72 hours. A chest CT, obtained before starting the experimental regimen and 1 day after, on day 6 of hospitalization, was characterized as either exacerbated, unchanged, or improved—with 50% or more reduction in opacification classified as significantly improved.
In comparison to the 31 patients on placebo, the 31 receiving the hydroxychloroquine adjunct to standard treatment were reported to have significantly shorter average time to recover normal body temperature (2.2 vs 3.2 days, P = .0008) and time to cessation of cough (2.0 vs 3.1 days, P = .0016). A larger proportion of patients on hydroxychloroquine than placebo also demonstrated an improved chest CT (80.6% vs 54.8%), with 61.3% of the treatment group having significant improvement. In addition, the 4 patients in the trial who deteriorated from mild to severe acuity were all in the placebo group.
“Despite our small number of cases, the potential of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of COVID-19 has been partially confirmed,” Zhang and colleagues concluded.
“However, large-scale clinical and basic research is still needed to clarify its specific mechanism and to continuously optimize the treatment plan,” they added”This data is even better than Gilead’s data on their drug Respervir.
To Doc Zelenco,
Before you publized your tx., you should have done this. Now start doing this:
Give the pts. a script for a lab test for Covid19; if pos. then give HCQ & Zinc for 10 days. Before & after, get an EKG! Don’t add Z pack unless there is another indication, Eg. Bacteria infection.From Medscape:
“According to a consensus statement from a multicenter collaboration group in China, chloroquine phosphate 500-mg twice daily in tablet form for 10 days may be considered in patients with COVID-19 pneumonia.[24]Wang et al reported that chloroquine effectively inhibits SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.”Ubiq -“So, I guess you dont know this but information about ALL supreme court cases are publicly available to lawyers and non-lawyers alike.
Now just in case secret supreme court cases are not available, this too may surprise you but I have some friends who are lawyers , and they assured me (as I expected) that there where no secret supreme court cases. Of course it is possble that there is a super secret supreme court that only you know about , but bad news if only you know about it I’m not interested.”Ha-Ha. I guess your friends didn’t tell you the whole truth. They separate the cases from the oral arguments to the other ones. I was from the other ones.
Ubiq -“So this might surprise you, but the market for fake supreme court cases has crashed and I’m sorry you wont be getting much.”
I never met S/O like you before; you admitted that you’re a Nefro, not a Lawyer, but you insist (for years) that I never had a court case that went to the US Supreme Court. I hope that you don’t ever practice in Jersey – so I won’t have to ever deal with you!
Bk – ” No one here actually believes you are a doctor. ”
I really don’t care what you believe. And I never posted I’m a doc. But I do know more medicine than the medical guys that post here!Ubiq -“No I’m saying they dont exist.”
I know – You’ve been saying that for years. But for 2 million, I’ll give you the court case.
“And I can prove it: no Jew would withold revealing a treatment due to fears of “competition.” So you are lying about something.”
I haven’t withheld anything!
From page one:
“First of all, I have a possible tx. for very sick pts., but I’m still trying to get a pharm. corp. involved.
2nd, I recommend HCQ + zinc, not Azithromycin.
It should be given early on. If given early enough, just take Zinc.”You see?!?
For very sick pts., I’d give you the formula, but I don’t make drugs or chemicals, I need to partner with the Pharm. corps.CS -“Really? what med school did you attend? residency?”
I’m not revealing anymore about myself.
mattisyahu -“FYI, update from a hospital in France that they stopped the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combo due to adverse cardiac effects.”
Now you know why I posted this on page 1:
“2nd, I recommend HCQ + zinc, not Azithromycin.”Oh Charlie -“I regularly review scientific manuscripts for methodological soundness. ”
That’s nice; but did you read the article from Medscape? Do you read scientific articles from others, besides yourself?!?
2scents -“The logic behind Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc is not that it reverses the infection, rather that it makes it more difficult for the virus to replicate and reproduce, giving the body a better chance at fighting the virus.”
Ya’know – this site is for laymen, so why is it different than antibiotics? It isn’t.
Ubiq -“Sure in secret graduade school where they teach secret supreme court cases they may have taghut it but not in most schools”
So what your saying is – just like you couldn’t find my court case – you won’t be able to find my cure for Covid! That’s good news for me – because less competition.
CS -“How many of you have any medical background, I mean a real verifiable background, ie Dr. Nurse, a degree in biology, safety”
I have one. I think Charlie, Ubiq, & 2scents have them. But IDK for sure because I don’t know them IRL.
Ubiq -“for most harm likely outweighs the benefit.”
That’s why you’re a kidney doc and don’t know critical care.
See my post to Charlie from Medscape.Charlie -“Trump is completely irresponsible in promoting a potentially dangerous and untested drug combination. ”
You sound just like the NY Governor!
But Now is Not the time to play politics!
Lives will be lost!
I’m not saying 100% that HCQ will work, but anybody with symptoms should be able to get it! Not like in NY.
BTW, you claim to be a Medical Researcher?!?
Research this article from Medscape:
“COVID-19: Could Hydroxychloroquine Really Be An Answer?”Edited
Ubiq -“similarly say I saw 699 patients all of whom took HCQ + zinc + z pack and most have unfortunatly passed .”
First of all, I have a possible tx. for very sick pts., but I’m still trying to get a pharm. corp. involved.
2nd, I recommend HCQ + zinc, not Azithromycin.
It should be given early on. If given early enough, just take Zinc.lowerourtuition11210 -“IN NYS the governor has issued an executive order that it only be dispensed in a hospital or inpatent setting to treat Covid-19 as the FDA had not approved it as a treatment for Covid-19.”
He should be impeached! At least make sure to vote him out of office for all the deaths that could be prevented.
DMB – You make an assumption & then you ask a question on that assumption!?!
YY -“Getting popcorn and a comfy chair to watch the Health vs. commonsaychel match”
I would like to entertain you, but I have more important things to do.
Why do guys like Nosaychel have many SN’s?!?Ubiq -“How does he decide who to help?
Does he flip a coin ?
Of course he chooses who he thinks is more likely to benefit whether consciously or subconsciously”I would do the same thing!
Once everybody does Teshuva, then Hashem will release the cure.
I posted this in the other topic:
“BTW, I’m trying to work with pharmaceutical companies to initiate treatments, that I’m sure will work.”-“minor in health sciences who worked for FDA, I just love people who have no clue about pharmacology”
So I guess you must know more than s/o whose been in Medical Science for Umteen years?!?
You actually amplify why the FDA couldln’t care less when they’ll actually approve a cure or treatment!Nosaychel -“Your sure? you did double blind studies? you have data to back it up?”
IDK who you are in real life, but I’ll respond to you anyways.
All I did was take real research from NIH & put it all together. DO You think pharm companies don’t know how to get approval from the FDA?!? I guess only YOU KNOW about Double blind studies?!?You should read my post to JOE Above!
rational -“Actually, we need scientific knowledge to stop the mageifah.
The solution has certainly not emanated from these who claimed that “it is no worse than the common cold” or those rabbonim who thought that large numbers of talmidim learning in a small beis medrash would do the trick.”
I Agree!
BTW, I’m trying to work with pharmaceutical companies to initiate treatments, that I’m sure will work.Joe -“There are people today who can advise us the reason why Hashem sent this mageifa.”
Like Rav Chaim Shlit’a:
“Everyone must be mechazek to refrain from Lashon Harah and rechilus as it states in Arachin 15b: [Why is a leper so different, that the Torah states: “He shall dwell alone; outside of the camp shall be his dwelling” (Vayikrah 13:46)? He (Rabbi Chaninah) answered: By speaking badly] he separated between a husband and wife and between one person and another; therefore he is punished with tzara’as, and the Torah says: “He shall dwell alone; outside of the camp shall be his dwelling.”
They must further strengthen themselves in the midah of humility and to be maavir al midosav (let things slide) as the pirush haRosh on the side of the page says explicitly in the end of Horios [14a”
Do you know anyone who was Mekabel to do anything these last 2 months?!?As a medical professional, garlic is known as an antibiotic. Covid19 is a virus. Antibiotics don’t work against viruses!
Goldilocks -“Health: Is it worse than breaking your fast on wine following Yom Kippur (or Tisha B’av, when it occurs on Shabbos or Sunday)?”
First of all, you can use grape juice, but Pesach – GJ is a big problem.
2nd, having wine & then eating 2 seconds later isn’t such a prob. By Pesach, that isn’t the case.I once wasn’t able to go to a Siyom, and I fasted. It’s horrible breaking the fast on wine!
Charlie – WB.
First of all, Gilead closed down all new requests for Respervir.
2nd – chloroquine & hydrochloroquine are running out in this country. BTW, you as a medical researcher should know, it only works with Zinc. Which will also run out shortly.ubiq -“I am not an emergency room physician and have never trained as one. ”
If you have any questions about ER work or specific cases, you can post them here & I’ll try to respond to them.
akuperma -“If as the alarmists claim, Covid 19 spreads fast and is easy to catch, then we should be relieved when look at Wuhan where only 1% of the population became seriously ill, meaning 99% didn’t catch the virus”
The problem with your statement is that it’s probably not true!
IDK how many people are in denial like you, but from the posters here – there seems to be a lot.
Dr. Roberts in Lakewood said there will be millions of death in the US.
Now I’ll try to explain the differences between us and China.
China has very few kids. I read about one ICU here, that has covid19 victims – the age is from 24-48.
China is a commie country – they locked down Wuhan province.
Look at the Bay area pics here – how everybody treats the lockdown.
This will be an epidemic of MASS Proportion! (I’m not using Pandemic, because most don’t know the meaning.)The point I’m making – Antivaxxers have Little to No considerations of others. Sometimes we have to do things to save other lives, even though there might be some danger to getting vaxxed. That’s what Religious Jews do – they follow the opinion of Most Poskim.
2scents – All the antivaxxers would be first in line to get vaccinated, if a disease came out that affected them. I.E. the flu became a very deadly disease.
GH -“The Trumpkopf has tweeted that you and your family at at “very, very low risk” and that the testing program is “working wonderfully well” and “anyone who wants a test can get one”. He also said today that everyone coming in from Europe is “being tested very strongly” and that the virus will “soon be gone”. ”
That was true, at that time. With a New virus, things change everyday.
It was the Libs under Clinton that Decimated Medical Care. The US used to be Number 1 in Medicine!
CTLawyer -“A brokered convention will not go for Sanders.”
Let’s say you’re right, but a brokered convention will almost certainly give Trump the Reelection.
Trump will capitalize on the fact that the Dems can’t get along!Random -“I recently read somewhere online that masks are designed
to protect others from the wearer’s sickness, not vice versa.”It works both ways. Since masks aren’t 100% protection – the more barriers – the better!
CA -“So you’re quoting Wikipedia’s source of a fringe group?”
These Demoncrats have a lot of people Fooled!
Sanders has been/is an US Senator & now he might be the Democratic canditate for Pres.
He’s a Full – Blown Commie; NOT a Socialist!
It’s Scary Times!CA -“You need to cite the reliable source”
Since when is this a college paper that we must quote the sources?!?
But since you asked – Wikipedia got it from them!
They publish a newspaper called the Militant.
From that paper:
“Since Nov. 15, 1928, the Militant has been “a socialist newsweekly published in the interests of working people,” as its masthead says. It reflects the program, perspectives and activities of the Socialist Workers Party in the United States.”CTLawyer -“Wikipedia is NOT an accepted source…too many people can edit entries and they are not verified
The quote says known as…that is not the same as ‘is’”I knew that you would write this. Reliable sources say the same thing!
“WE is an irrelevant and small splinter party not worth bothering with”
Baloney!“Smith Act
UNITED STATES [1940]
WRITTEN BY: The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
See Article History
Alternative Title: Alien Registration Act
Smith Act, formally Alien Registration Act of 1940, U.S. federal law passed in 1940 that made it a criminal offense to advocate the violent overthrow of the government or to organize or be a member of any group or society devoted to such advocacy. The first prosecutions under the Smith Act, of leaders of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), took place in 1941.”CTLawyer -“Endorsing the Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s did not make someone a Communist, There is a Communist Party in the USA established in 1919”
Sanders is a Commie, No matter what you say!
From Wikipedia:
“The Socialist Workers Party (SWP) is known as a communist party in the United States. Originally a group in the Communist Party USA that supported Leon Trotsky against Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, it places a priority on “solidarity work” to aid strikes and is strongly supportive of Cuba.”RE -“He fires every good advisor because he knows better than anyone else.”
Where did you get that from? Your Lib friends? Your clueless when it comes to Trump. He’s a CEO, Not a politician. CEO’S get rid of incompetent people. That’s why he still has Jay Sekulow!RE -“He really has an inferiority complex with a narcisistic personal disorder.”
Are you a psychologist & examined Trump?!? Or are you just another Liberal Hack that resorts to Rank outs because you/they have No logical Rebuttal?!?
Jackk -“Trump has not delivered.
The only thing he has been successful in is his “mannerisms” .(Nice euphemism for not having a shred of being a decent human.) Also successful in dividing and disenfranchising over half the country.”LOL.
STOP With the Liberal Lies!From the WH.gov:
Trump Administration Accomplishments:“Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.”jackk – “That they can turn against a Jewish American Purple heart recipient (Vindman) and a celebrated Vietnam war hero (McCain) in favor of a draft dodging lying impeached president makes me wonder if they are patriotic Americans.”
Let’s be clear about Politics nowadays!
It all started with the Clintons. Billy Boy was impeached, not because like Trump he obstructed Congress, but by Perjury. This by the way is a Crime! Of course the Dems didn’t remove him from office.
In our day and age – KY wrote -“Only a mean uncouth guy like trump can get past the radical left. He doesn’t let their words stop him, their words embolden him.”
JACKK – STOP with the Hypocrisy!GH -“and not that ignorant of basic virology diagnostics and vaccine development, let me make it simple”
Stop showing off that you know nothing about Viruses!
With AIDS they don’t have a vaccine because of it’s ability to mutate. The drugs work on enzymes that the virus needs to replicate.
They could have done the same thing with the Corona viruses years ago, but the Gov. didn’t care!GH – If they put in the effort that the world put in for the gays, when AIDS came out, they would already have a cure! They could have had cure for the common cold years ago. This virus is just a cold for a snake. But why haven’t any authority worked on this? Because it wasn’t PC.
Romney doesn’t keep the 7 Mitzvos. There are a lot of Shittos that hold things that are logical, a Goy has to keep. He embarrassed the President. He’s a Kofoy Tov. And the list goes on & on!