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Ubiq – ” Is a bit funny. Zinc”
Funny or not; Now after these 2 observational studies – Will you give Zinc + HCQ for Covid19?
Remember – I said NOW.Ubiq – “This is a verbatim quote from you: ““Btw, the conclusion that you brought down from the Lancet, is only an Obserational Study.””
When I wrote this – “Don’t PUT Words in my Mouth! I never meant or said that.”
I was talking about your line of – “so derisively as if its useless”.
nomesorah -“Also, according to The President’s legal team no crime was yet uncovered on either of the Biden’s. [The investigation in Ukraine was to uncover a crime.]”
Let’s cut to the chase – I’m Not talking about Ukraine.
Biden is accused of ABUSE, by a woman that worked in his Senate Office!Ubiq -“You say “observational” so derisively as if its useless”
Don’t PUT Words in my Mouth! I never meant or said that.
“Which showed that HCQ + zinc was better than HCQ alone. The Lancet study showed HCQ was worse than no HCQ. but what is better HCQ + zinc or no HCQ no Zinc ?”
Don’t ask questions – go look at the NYU study yourself!
You should be able to understand it – if you’re a Real Doctor.The Truth You DON’T Seek -“we became a lot more health conscious WITHOUT the immunizations and would have a death rate of almost none even with 3 million children getting measles mumps etc. per year. again, due to vaccine unrelated health advances.”
Thanks for repeating the Anti-Vaxx propaganda!
You people are Never interested in the Truth.
Well here’s the Truth from Science Based Medicine:
“The United Kingdom is an excellent illustration of this trend. Back in the mid-1990s, it declared measles as under control, thanks to the MMR vaccine. Then came Andrew Wakefield in 1998 with his trial lawyer-funded, incompetent, and possibly even fraudulent study claiming to link the MMR vaccine to “autistic enterocolitis,’ and a credulous, sensationalistic British press to spread his message that the MMR vaccine causes autism. The result was that measles came roaring back in the U.K. to the point that two years ago measles was declared endemic again there.”RE -“The W.H.O. does not recommend this medication anymore.”
Did you bother to look into it? Or just you liked it because it was against Trump?!?
Well the article states they stopped it because of the Lancet’s Observational Study.
Maybe you should send them a copy of this study -“Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients
Philip Carlucci, et al.”; and then they will recommend HCQ & Zinc!HUJU -“And without facts, opinions are meaningless.”
The facts are coming out slowly.
And They point that HCQ and Zinc is an option for Tx. of Covid19.The Truth You DON’T Seek -“for someone who is ‘almost’ infertile, they can still have kids!”
True, but it becomes VERY Difficult!
From Above:
“No wonder the Frum community has 2 orgs. for infertility!
We must have a lot of ANTI-VAXXERS!!!”
From the CDC:
“Before the U.S. mumps vaccination program started in 1967, about 186,000 cases were reported each year, and many more unreported cases occurred. The disease caused complications, such as permanent deafness in children, and occasionally, encephalitis, which could rarely result in death.
Orchitis occurs in approximately 20–30% of unvaccinated and 6–7% of vaccinated postpubertal male mumps patients. Mumps orchitis has not been linked to infertility, but may result in testicular atrophy and hypofertility.”ready now -“The proof that Dr Z is correct is that Dr Z’s turf had nearly no deaths compared to other areas. This is study beyond reproach.”
His study is Not a Study! Did your Yeshiva have High School?
He’s trying to explain Simple things to you!
Everything Ubiq wrote until my last post was correct.
Now with this NEW observational Study, @8:25pm, it’s obvious that HCQ & Zinc work against Covid19!!!
This has nothing to do with Zelenco. He didn’t invent the protocol. He just gave it in the Outpatient setting.Ubiq -“I wouldnt say “only” as it looks at 10’s of thousands thats a lot of observation, and even if “only” observational, thats better that Dr. Z. so far I have seen no study produced by him.”
I don’t care about Doc Z. And I don’t care whether he’s got proof.
I posted previously that I recommend HCQ & Zinc.Here’s a new observational Study:
From the NYU study:
“Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients
Philip Carlucci, et al.”YIDD23 -“I’m still not 100% convinced that Trump isn’t Biden in a fat suit and a wig.”
The difference is Trump was Not proven to commit a crime under political office.
While Biden hasn’t had a trial on Abuse claims!
He would be found GUILTY, Acc. to Demoncrat theories with Regards to accusations of ABUSE!thetruthiseek -“Also,would you like to post the whole study, or just agenda related snippets taken out of context? would you be so kind to yourself and look up how common BILATERAL orchitis is, let alone orchitis causing infertility? Anyway, as i said previously, it doesnt cause INfertility. YOU YOURSELF said it.”
Did your Yeshiva have High School?!?
There are many articles about Mumps Complications.
From EuropePDC:
“ Infertility After Mumps Orchitis” (Author’s Transl)]
[Article in German]
F L Bertschat, M Alexander
“11 of 23 patients were followed up, 9 answered a questionnaire. 11 spermiograms were available. 6 patients, 3 of them after bilateral mumps orchitis, had children.
12 patients remained at least subfertile (60%), 5 of them after bilateral mumps orchitis, 3 patients were almost infertile after bilateral mumps orchitis.”Is your Wife, if you have one, comfortable with these Statistics?
No wonder the Frum community has 2 orgs. for infertility!
We must have a lot of ANTI-VAXXERS!!!Joe -“Biden needs to be held accountable for having allowed his son Hunter to take advantage of his office of the Vice Presidency ”
That’s Not the main thing they have to be accountable for!
The NR (National Review) has an article about Biden, Democrats and Abuse.
They are the Biggest Hypocrites EVER!huju -“But uncredentialed commenters are taking odd bits of information from wherever they find it and jumping to unwarranted conclusions”
That’s Not true! I can’t speak for others, but my posts are based on current medical knowledge.
Of course, in times like this, there will be many different Opinions!Ubiq -“that isn’t a study”
Stop playing with the guy.
Btw, the conclusion that you brought down from the Lancet, is only an Obserational Study.
Don’t imply that’s the final word. I know that’s what you’re trying to Do!huju -“It is a shocking indictment of most of the commenters on this news article that there are almost 250 comments discussing a medical issue that is settled. There is no need for further discussion, but that has not stopped us YWN folks from continuing to discuss the medical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine for any illnesses other than lupus and malaria.”
Obviously you Know Nothing about Medical Science.
There is a new disease that’s affecting Humans – it’s called Covid19.
All over the Medical literature & the public & politicians are discussing possible Cures.
This is why YWN has a topic about it!
It’s a shame that you use Sarcasm to make your point – that you’re against using HCQ for Covid19!!!thetruthiseek -“however, if one is arguing for vaccinations per the instructions of the cdc, he should not get hypocritical and stick with his sources.”
Charlie -“In fact, NOT getting the Mumps vaccine can make a boy sterile.”
He never mentioned the CDC. Why put words in his mouth to Further your Agenda?!?From EuropePDC:
“12 patients remained at least subfertile (60%), 5 of them after bilateral mumps orchitis, 3 patients were almost infertile after bilateral mumps orchitis.”Mods is THAT Better?
thetruthiseek -“charliehall go to the cdc website it says mumps is NOT KNOWN TO CAUSE INFERTILITY stop spreading lies and fear.”
This is one of the Few times that I agree with Charlie.
I don’t think Anti-vaxxers are interested in TRUTH.
While the CDC Does write that, that’s NOT the Whole Story!Edited- TMI
Millhouse -“If you were overwhelmed why didn’t you send patients to the Javits or the Comfort? That’s what they were supposedly there for. But using them wouldn’t help create the crisis that the governor wanted so he could cry about how much the rest of the country owed him.”
Another mistake. The Feds didn’t allow Covid pts.
They thought by sending those ships, the hospitals could focus on Covid pts.
It would have made sense, but the normal pts. number declimbed.Kilaolomchasdo -“Let me clarify.”
If you would have clarified at the beginning, I wouldn’t have to post to you in the first place!
Kilaolomchasdo -“@Health – I’m not a poseik, but my assumption was that disease was rare enough that it would fall under the גדר of an uncommon danger, and that we don’t need to let the fear of that rare sickness stop our avodah. As far as I know, there’s a larger possibility a kid could chas v’shalom die in a car accident, but we’re not going to say “don’t ever drive kids to yeshiva.””
It’s a good thing that you’re Not a Poisek, because you don’t know Halacha.
When the Poiskim say to open Yeshivos in their town – I’m not against that.I was just commenting on this -“Now, you can say there’s no concern for the kids,”.
This isn’t true!
Don’t bring in comparisons to other things; like – “don’t ever drive kids to yeshiva”.
This is what Poiskim do, and You’re NOT a Poisek!Akuperma -“Health and ubiquitin: Ten million people will die in the USA under’s Trump’s presidency. In Eretz israel around 40000 people will die this year. Annually, close to 100 Million people die throughout the world. It is sad, especially for those who die. But this is normal Based on the government’s figures, Covid19 will raise the annual death rate in the USA from around 8 per 1000, to perhaps 11 per 1000…. The government was wrong to throw much (perhaps most) of the population out of work and to destroy their life’s savings for a disease that threatened to reduce our lives to the “misery” of those dark ages of the 20th century.”
Stop promoting Goyishe ideas. They value Money more than Life; until it’s their life at stake.
Judaism values every Life, Money is Not part of the equation!Kilaolomchasdo -“Now, you can say there’s no concern for the kids,”
That’s Not TRUE! There’s Pediatric Immune System Inflammation Disease.
akuperma -” whose lives were never at risk”
WRONG! Almost Every single human being is at risk of Dying from COVID19.
n0mesorah -“Dear Health,
Huh? Who is threatening to rule over you?”Biden is running for President.
NJ & NY are controlled by the Democrats.
They control by making Laws.“You asked to change the topic, to Mr. Biden.”
I did Not change the Topic. I was responding to a poster about Fox news.nOmesorah -“Why should someone from a different society believe in these values?”
No one is asking anyone to believe in anything, just don’t become a ruler over me.
That means don’t run for political office or become a Judge. They have no right to push their Liberalism over anyone!nOmesorah -“You seem to be a liberal, just not like those liberals.”
We seem to have different definitions of Liberalism & Conservatism.
From Websters:
Conservative – “: a person who believes in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society : a person who is politically conservative.”nOmesorah -“There is no automatic reason to fight anyone else’s worldview.”
This is Not philosophy class. We must stand up to these Libs, otherwise, which is already done, they Force their ways upon us with Laws!
What exactly that you don’t understand?nOmesorah -“true conservative sticks his own view to his own outlook. And he sticks it to himself.”
So what? Did you ever hear – you fight Fire with Fire?!?
The libs will do anything & everything to make Republicans look Bad.
This is why we Conservatives have to point out the Liberal HYPOCRISES!n0mesorah -“Dear Health,
From a conservative viewpoint, why would one care about someone else’s personal life?”So tell me – why did the Demoncrats decide that a Supreme Court Justice has to be on the Up & Up?
And then a Senator from Delaware can do what he wants – whenever he feels like it?!?GH -“Fox News evening lineup …. shifted to a combination of anti-Fauci rhetoric and “ObamaGate.”
That’s fine. The main thing us Conservatives should Focus on is Biden’s Abuse of Tara Reade!
The Demoncrats Hypocrisy is Extremely Scary.
They believe a DRUNK Woman when it comes to a Conservative US Supreme Court nominee, but Not a
Sober Young Woman that worked in Biden’s Senate Office!ready now -“The antibiotics only if necessary”
Tell that to Dr. Zelenko!
Yisroel -“Screaming (CAPS and !!!!) is inappropriate.”
It’s appropriate when s/o is insinuating that I meant something, that I didn’t Mean or Say!!!!
Ubiq -“nope I and they don’t. They did fine with 100.”
I’m glad your pts. did well.
Zinc acetate is probably one of the Zincs’ PO that is well absorbed.
Zinc picolinate is another one.
There are others that you need at least 200mg to make a difference. Eg. Zinc Gluconate.cent-cent -“according to you we should have a tour month lockdown every year. There are thousands of deaths every year from flu.”
DON’T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH; Because you have an Agenda!
“As for the vaccine argument – according to your logic it is not a valid point. The flu vaccine is generally about 45% effective. Depending on the year it can be 30-60% effective based on how well they guess the strain.
Additionally, about 25% of flu deaths are from people who were vaccinated. These are CDC numbers. So there are about 10,000 flu deaths every year from people who were vaccinated.”The CDC is trying to argue why e/o should get a Flu Shot.
And you’re trying to argue that’s there is No Point?!?
BTW, this has nothing to do with COVID19!!!Antibias -“yet add up to more than 50% of deaths in NJ. In essence, we are all suffering the nursing home pain.”
Ubiq posted he’s a doctor; I wouldn’t blame doctors that work in Nursing Homes.
The 50% Rate is NOT Surprising!
The BLAME LIES Solely on the Owners!
I used to transport pts. to and from Nursing Homes.
And then I had to be in one for a few months.
Frum Owners make up 60% of NJ Nursing Homes!
Most Nursings Homes don’t practice Infection Control effectively.Ubiq -“100 mg Zinc acetate PO. These were outpts .
I saw the Jama study . No surprise, reports what IVe seen first hand (though no mention of Zinc , which (almost?) all the inpatients IVe seen were prescribed”SORRY – Not enough Zinc!
You need at least 200mg/day PO for Covid19.I found this Online:
“Science Translational Medicine”
“In the pipeline”
by Derek LoweCommenter on STM:
Patrick Jewell says:
“The fool who wrote this comment (FYI – not posted) is clueless to the fact that Hydroxychloroquine is NOT in any way, shape, or form an antiviral medication.
Hydroxychloroquine is a zinc ionophore.
It is literally a synthetic “doorway” (transporter) that allows extracellular zinc to pass into the cytoplasm, so the ZINC can destroy the virus. THE ONLY SCIENCE HERE, IS THAT ZINC IS THE ANTIVIRAL. Your cell membrane has naturally occurring membrane transporter proteins specifically for zinc, called zip proteins. A zinc ionophore’s function is to create additional passages into the cell for zinc. This enables a cell to load up with zinc faster, than it normally would. Quercetin (another ionophore) and CoQ10 perform the same function as Hydroxychloroquine, without any toxic side effects. The study cited, can not stand up to scrutiny. It was not a double blind study. The test group was significantly younger than the control group. Death occurred, disproving any efficacy of the “findings”. Numerous people that started the study, were removed from the final data. The list goes on. Other double blind studies were conducted in two separate countries, and found “anectdotal” results at best. Currently, Doctors are prescribing 220mg of zinc sulfate (5 x RDA), with Hydroxychloroquine to FALSELY “prove” HCQ is an antiviral. Zinc has been proved for decades to inhibit intracellular viral replication, with or without supplemental transportation assistance. Without ZINC, Hydroxychloroquine is ineffective in fighting a virus.
Hydroxychloroquine is NOT an antiviral, neither are any other ionophores, or zip proteins, or Coenzymes. Anyone can research ionophores (synthetic and natural), and ZIP proteins as well, to verify my claims”Ubiq -“Though worth noting there is a report coming out of NYU titled “Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study” which looks at HCQ + Zinc and at least initally reports some + findings.”
Are you talking about this Study?
“Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study
By Alyssa Paolicelli New York City
NEW YORK – Researchers at NYU’s Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus.
“Certainly we have very limited options as far as what we have seen work for this infection so anything that may work is very exciting,” said Dr. Joseph Rahimian, Infectious Disease Specialist at NYU Langone Health.
The study looked at the records of 932 COVID-19 patients treated at local hospitals with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.
More than 400 of them were also given 100 milligrams of zinc daily.
Researchers said the patients given zinc were one and a half times more likely to recover, decreasing their need for intensive care.
Why Hospitals in NYC Have Abandoned Hydroxychloroquine
One theory is that hydroxychloroquine may aid a cell’s ability to absorb the zinc which has antiviral properties and responds to the infection.
“It sort of boosts the zinc activity which is one of the reasons we thought to look at zinc here and in this observational study we did see a difference suggesting that maybe that boosting activity of the hydroxychloroquine with the zinc helps the zinc to work better and lead to a benefit,” Rahimian said.”GH -“In plain English, the New York study results published today in JAMA showed that patients treated with Hydroxychloroquine shows no material benefits in responding to the coronavirus versus those not given the medication. Also, there was no noticeable advantage for patients that took the drug paired with azithromycin. While this was NOT a randomized study, it certainly raises doubts about all the hyping by the Trumpkopf, Fox News experts and right wing blogs. If you want to continue your tin foil conspiracy theories, there are several excellent websites that would value your inputs.”
Are you talking about this Study?
“Conclusions and Relevance Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality. However, the interpretation of these findings may be limited by the observational design.”Stop with your HATRED on Trump to Prove Science.
This observational Study is not unexpected.
They need a study that the pts. get Zinc & HCQ or none – just supportive treatment!Yisroel -“This is clearly reported that hospitals are closing in rural areas and even in metropolitan areas, specialists are losing their parnassah because they are not allowed to schedule “elective” surgery”
I don’t know about Rural areas. And in NY Metro area – I know of NO closures.
Never did I mention about not allowing “elective” surgery. That wasn’t part of my post – so Stop Attributing anything that you can RANT About to ME!cent-cent -“The doctor is 100% correct. I am not a doctor but i do work with numbers all day and the numbers definitely agree with him. If you do some basic calculations of the mortality rate you will see young ppl should not be kept isolated.”
Actually I’m very Glad the Gov. didn’t follow statistics this time.
Because they followed Religion. Judaism requires that Human Life takes precedence over Money!
Confining e/o, including Young people, Saved LIVES!Haimy -“Those that are normally very trusting of doctors & politicians or are very frightened about Covid19 will likely disagree.”
I don’t trust anyone, but myself!
When modern medical science doesn’t have any answers, people & gov. turn to previous ways.
Before vaccines for the Flu, people isolated themselves to get rid of it, eg. the Spanish Flu.Yisroel -“How about people who die at home with heart attacks because they have been frightened by the non stop media attacks? Do we value their lives? ”
If what you’re saying is true, No hospitals that I know of turned pts. AWAY!
If they were frightened – s/o should have made them go to the hospital, eg. a family member, etc.
The rest of your Rant doesn’t apply to Me.akuperma -“Should we have been having a lockdown every winter for four months during the annual flu season? It would save some lives as well, mostly of older persons and persons with serious medical problems.”
I usually like your posts esp. when it comes about politics.
That said – you’re way off about this!
First of all, anybody who gets the flu, (in most cases), it’s their own Fault.
There’s a vaccine.2nd, this can affect e/o, even kids.
From the Guardian:
“The deaths of three children in New York of inflammatory complications possibly linked to Covid-19”
So to protect LIVES – We needed Confinement & We still NEED it!Haimy -“What we do know is that if we don’t allow those with almost any risks come out of isolation it will ruin the livelihood, education, mental health, relationships, of many many people.”
And to Yisroel, Akuperma, & others –We as FRUM JEWS Value life more than anything else!
This includes making Money & anything else you posted & anything else you can think of.OH CHARLIE, -“It showed that Hydroxychloroquine-treated patients who were in the SAME condition as the untreated patients did not do better.”
If you can’t understand Sarcasm, how could you understand Yeshivishe language?
“DIDN’T Do better than Non-treated pts. of HCQ.”
Obviously they are both in the SAME category!Haimy = Joe – “Many people will Ch”V suffer nervous breakdowns if we keep them quarantined much longer”
Joe – your problems are a lot more than something like a nervous breakdown!
Daslakewood -“so therefore I think everyone should stop driving cars that will definitely save lives.”
You definitely don’t represent Lakewood with your Am Haratzos. You’d be right except for the Heter of Hakol Dushin Bo. That wouldn’t apply with Covid19!
Ubiq -” I stopped because it QTc rose a lot.”
I personally wouldn’t stop it, just have them monitored. It doesn’t have to be in a hospital, some nursing homes can do it.
“the rest did the same as the patients who didnt get it.”
I want to know – “What was the dosage of each medication & length of time of the administration?” Zinc – Was it given PO, IV? Also, what type of Zinc – Eg. Zinc Gluconate, Etc.?
Haimy -“Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.”
Some of the rant makes sense, I’m going to talk about that line.
We as Frum Jews value every single life. Right now they don’t know the full extent of the Virus called Covid19.
There seems to be a syndrome that has inflammatory disease on areas of the organs of the body. This mainly affects kids. It makes good sense to have e/o practice social distancing.