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Ubiq -“Chauvin committed a felony offense when he assaulted floyd (the fact that Floyd resisted arrest a few minutes prior is not license to freely assault him later on) In the process of commiting this felony he unintentionally (I assume) killed Floyd.”
Do you work for the Lying Muslim AG?
If NOT, Why post Lies?!?
The PD had to remove him from patrol car because he couldn’t behave in it.
That’s when Chauvin got involved.
FYI, when you resist, the Police are legally allowed to restrain, including the Neck Restraint.
They took it out of the Police Protocols after the death of Floyd.
You can only release restraint when s/o can take over the custody of the Perp.
In this case, it was EMS.
Here is the law in Minn. for 2nd Degree murder:
“1. Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
2. Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
3. Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal….. conduct ….or a drive-by shooting
4. Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order”
So you see how Libs Lie to fit their AGENDA!SB -“Camden, NJ got rid of their rotten-to-the-core police department and recreated a new one. They are doing much better now.”
That’s because the County Police are very good. The Camden City PD was full of Cops on the Take.
nOmesorah -““Defund the Police” and “police abolition” does not mean get rid of law enforcement”
Actually in this Case it Does!
The Minneapolis City Council voted to get RID of their PD.
I wonder how it will work out for them. LOL.Defunding Police -“What you will have is the wild west with everone carrying a gun with the murder rate shooting through the roof. Criminal gangs will take over the cities and the rich and middleclass will move out”
I’m all for it! Actually, I’m all for No Laws at all – Everywhere!
I’d be for Laws if they would be applied equally. Actually, Not like the Libs screaming they Target the Blacks, my experience is they Target the Jews, esp. Orthodox.Ubiq -“This claim does not hold water.”
Your wrong.
“2nd degree on the other hand just got easier”
You mean on 2nd degree Manslaughter?Ubiq -“bottom line if if those other factors did play a role (and they may have) if not for the unwarranted and illegal restraint Floyd would be alive”
I sure hope you Don’t practice medicine – the way You understand Law.
You put your emotions into it.Here is the Law:
“The difference between third-degree murder and manslaughter often depends on the defendant’s state of mind at the time of the killing. In Minnesota, for example, someone can be convicted of manslaughter in the second degree if they knew they were unreasonably risking someone else’s life and took that chance. This is different from third-degree murder, where the person must act with a depraved mind and malice (wanton disregard for human life)”
You definitely can’t charge him on the 3rd degree. His mind was to arrest a perp.
On the Manslaughter charge, his defense will be – the PERP was resisting & his actions were consistent with Police Protocols at that time!Ubiq -“I don’t follow so therefore we should lie about what the autopsy report says?”
Just like this LIE!
“That is a verbatim quote”To e/o else who DIDN’T Read the autopsy Report:
“cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.”
This is the TITLE of the Report.
Then it goes on to say there was Multiple reasons for his DEATH.
It lists Drugs (some Illegal), restraint, Heart problems, etc.
He’ll get a conviction – if it’s a Dishonest Jury!Avi K -“But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office said Floyd died of ‘cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.’”
Did you read it? That’s the LIE e/o says, including this Website.
I actually Read it.
You have to understand who the AG of Minn. is!
He’s a Friend of Farrakan & a Muslim, who doesn’t like Jews.Avi K -“Moreover, Chauvin and Floyd worked together as bouncers. How well he knew him is not yet known.”
Why assume that? The media asked that question to the owner. She said she Didn’t know.TOO LATE! Now we see what it means איש את רעהו חיים בלעו.
DMB -“now that Chauvin did restrain him Floyd did die, Chauvin didn’t cause his death.”
Why do say he did cause his DEATH? Do you have any proof?
Btw, I read the Final Autopsy Report and besides the LIES Written here and elsewhere, it doesn’t say that definitely that the cause of death was the Restraint. It lists multiple Causes.Oh Charlie -“No, actually not as much; his crimes are far worse, as is the amount that he has stolen over his career.”
If anyone is Claiming that Trump has Stolen something, let them file a complaint with the Right Authorities.
These FALSE Accusations are what’s fuelling the Social Unrest in our Day & Age.DMB -“The only thing he is is a commie.”
NO, He’s Not. In Communist Countries they have laws. You just can’t take something even if you believe it’s Yours!
So he believes in Anarchy or something much Worse.
He was almost the Democratic Candidate.
I think this is what is behind all the Demonstrations about Mr. Floyd!nOmesorah -” I am unaware of any supporters.”
B. Sanders tweeted this:
“The looting of America has been going on for over 40 years—and the culprits are the ultra-rich.”Do you think it’s Equal?!?
People say Sanders is a Commy. He’s much worse than THAT.
Obviously he doesn’t Believe in the Rule of Law!Oh Charlie, -“*All* the looters were white and they didn’t look poor.”
And what do you think – how they & their Families vote?
Liberal Demoncrat or Conservative Republican?!?bk613 -“Do you really expect anyone to believe that Floyd would have died if he wasn’t restrained like that for 9 minutes?”
Don’t put words in my mouth! To convict they must prove that the Neck Restraint caused his Death. (Which it DIDN’T.)
Like I said you Need a Honest Jury. I hope they don’t get OJ’s Jury – that found him innocent!Avi K -“Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others
609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another ”I don’t think a Jury can convict on anything! There are multiple reasons he’s dead. The Official Autopsy doesn’t pinpoint one over the other. No normal Jury, I repeat NO Normal JURY can convict!
You need – Beyond a reasonable doubt. Who said he didn’t Die from the drugs & his Heart problems?
This CHARGE is a Total FARCE!Ubiq -“at that point was he resisting yes or no?”
I wasn’t there!
I told you before a lot of PD’s in the US, aren’t even trained in Basic First Aid. While others are First Responders, EMT’S, etc.
He was following his protocols.
From NJ.com:
““Resisting” can be as simple as going limp,”So maybe he thought he was Still Resisting?!?
I hope you Never Are called as an Expert Witness in a Court of Law, because the opposite Lawyer would Cut you Down SO BAD!
2scents -“Does anyone know if he was in cardiac arrest prior to the ambulance showing up?
Did the officers do CPR on him?”I presume Not; unless the EMT or Medic was incompetent.
The first thing the EMS did was check a pulse. Then they proceeded to load him on the Strecther.
Again, unless there was gross incompetence, they treated him like an unconcious pt.
Not like s/o in Cardiac arrest.Milhouse -” arrest. In plain ordinary English that’s what we call a heart attack.”
Maybe once upon a time, nowadays they just say his Heart Stopped.
Ubiq -“Watch it again.”
The only mistake I made was when I wrote 1 minute, it was close to 3.
Everything else I wrote is absolutely True!
This is a Civil War. No one cares about black lives, esp. Other Blacks. Everyday Blacks KILL other Blacks, for No Good Reasons.
Half of Americans are Spoiled Brats!nOmesorah -“There is an EXTREME liberal school of thought that humans have no right to dignity. That all of civilization was built despite human dignity. And, if humans would behave like animals we would be far more advanced.”
It’s obvious that the Looters & their supporters believe that.
Do you?catch yourself -“I’m not getting into the specific legal terminology and distinctions between “murder” and “manslaughter”, I’m just using common parlance”
My point was – it Wasn’t murder or manslaughter. Yes, he was killed. If there is s/o else to blame besides himself, a honest, non-biased Jury will determine that.
Ubiq -“That in NO WAY justifies compressing his airway AFTER he is no longer resisting, let alone unconscious.”
All I saw was his eyes were closed. Maybe at the last second it looked like he was limp.
Most cops don’t practice EMS, the protocols just state call EMS.
In your haste to find him Guilty, like the Mobs, you twist the TRUTH!DMB -“And for the ten minutes after that? And when his pulse was being checked? And when he said I’ll get in the car? You do realize why they were arresting him, right? Because he paid with a counterfeit 20, we don’t even know that he knew it was a fake.”
It’s obvious that you didn’t watch the video, because your questions make No Sense.
“Does everyone who committed a crime deserve to die 12 years later after they already served the time?”
LOL. That’s a very childish question. It’s probably because you didn’t see the Whole video!
nOmesorah – “Stand with people, or with the Satan. No reason to complicate the issue.”
Did you march against the killings of Jews in Jersey City & in Pohway?
If Not, Stand with people or with Satan.
No reason to complicate the issue.Ubiq -“On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective”
Yes, he was actively Resisting.
It’s obvious you didn’t Watch both videos. You make it seem that when they wanted to put him in the patrol car, he said – “Yes sir” – and went in calmly & sat down.““Resisting” can be as simple as going limp, holding onto a pole or just saying “no” to being handcuffed”
This is the Legal definition, and he was doing much Worse than That!bk613 -“keeping your knee on an unconscious/dead man part of protocol?”
I watched the two videos – did you?
There were a total of 6 cops, but I’m Not sure at the time he was on the ground detained they were all there.
There were also 3 people in that car, at the beginning. There was also bystanders.
The last minute on the video – it was obvious Floyd was unconscious.
Chauvin was not looking at Floyd, at that minute. Perhaps he was looking at the two others from the car, which were not detained? Maybe he was looking at the bystanders? This was a cop doing a good job.catch yourself -“Sure, it’s about the murder of George Floyd,”
He wasn’t murdered. The fact that there is Civil War in America right now, doesn’t mean you have the right to write Falsehoods!
Ubiq -“why becasue thats what you want to believe?”
No, because that’s the Truth!
“The Final Report was probably Done on the “So-called advice” From the State Prosecutor.”
The reason I wrote that is because it’s a Lie.“Ok so I understand why some assumed their initial mistaken assumption. now that the final report is available and a second report as well, are they perhaps mistaken?”
No; their just LYING!
“d. Even if unrelated and just a extremely unfortunate coincidence, , why didnt he remove his knee and check for a pulse,? perform CPR? BEST case the cop was extremely negligent”
That’s Not their Protocol!
He followed the Protocol.
The protocol States in many PD’S DEPT. – just call EMS. And that’s what they did.“5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)
Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure.”Joe -“Mr. Avi Weiss had no right to break the law when he chained himself to embassies or consulates and the other forms of civil disobedience he committed against the law.”
At least you can call it Civil Disobedience. Most demonstrations this week Aren’t CIVIL!
Ubiq -“And of course i assume you have your own autopsy report to back this up?”
Milhouse is Right! The preliminary Report told the Whole Story.
The Final Report was probably Done on the “So-called advice” From the State Prosecutor.
Btw, do you Know – Who is the State Prosecutor?!?Ubiq -“It was in violation of Minneapolis Police code
5-311
“The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting.””I don’t know the exact definition in Minn. of Resisting; but in NJ that’s called resisting.
From NJ.com:
“Resisting” can be as simple as going limp, holding onto a pole or just saying “no” to being handcuffed — or as violent as flailing, punching or kicking an officer in an attempt to escape.”DMB -“Unfortunately you have completely lost me. Are you advocating that the police sit on the necks of everyone who resisted arrest at any point of the arrest until they die of coincidental cardiac arrest?
I sure hope not. Interesting question for you, if instead of a black male it was a Frum yid would you be saying the same things?”You sure have a lot of questions.
Now I’m Not gonna ask how old you are, but what Grade did you finish?
And how many SN’s do you have here?I’ll do you a favor – I’ll answer the first one.
From the Atlantic:
“A 2007 Justice Department survey found that 46 percent of police departments who serve more than 1 million people allow some sort of hold or neck restraint. A closer look at the use-of-force policies of the nation’s six largest police departments reveals variations in how they treat neck restraints…”Joe – It’s easier, legally, to Send in the Army.
Joe -“send in the National Guard ”
He can’t; only Gov. of their own State.
He should Send in the Army, which he has already threatened to do.
This might be illegal though.DMB -” If he is laying on the ground with his hands tied behind his back, then definitely.
I’m not sure What this has to do with anything. Please elaborate.”You have No concept of Reality!
Can s/o who is cuffed by a few cops hurt anybody?
Most of Americans, that think the cop is Guilty, have been Spoiled Rotten their Whole Lives.Doing my best -“It was very clearly a cop straight up murdering someone lying on the floor handcuffed”
Is it Murder when s/o comes into your house without any weapons and You kill him?
I’m Not talking about American Law, but Torah law.Milhouse -“FLOYD DID NOT DIE OF ASPHYXIATION. HE WAS NOT CHOKED TO DEATH. The knee on his neck was a STANDARD, APPROVED method of restraining him, and did not block his airway.”
Thank you for being a SANE Voice on this Topic!
Unommin – Because the Demoncrats don’t believe in freedom! They are truly the Facists!
bk613 -“communists”
Now being a Commy is a Compliment.
Russia & China don’t have Covid19 like the US.
Mainly they don’t have Race Riots.
I assume that the more Freedom you give some people – the more they Demand.
I heard the ’50s was Nice in the US of A.DMB – He was a criminal. See my post in Civil D.
How come you have No sympathy for the Cop. A video doesn’t Show the whole Story!
Come back after you read My Comments there.DC -“Floyd was in HANDCUFFS, and had 2 someone sitting on his legs. The guy was powerless!”
SL -“That in NO way indicates support for police brutality, especially where there was NO threat.”
Unfortunately, the two of you have succumbed to the PC of our generation.
The perp was obviously high on something, like PCP. Three cops wouldn’t hold him. (Maybe 10.) That’s why they took him out of the patrol car. Even Mace or taser, might not work.
The Prosecutor did an Unjust thing by filing charges!DC -“No one deserves to die.”
He should have cared about his own Life.
If cops give you orders – you Must comply.
They had to take him out of the cruiser, because of Non-compliance.What do you think when this happens in Jail?
Jails have almost 100% compliance!
That’s because they aren’t Under the Jurisdiction of the Liberal Cities.Joe – Ask the Israelis.
Nowadays they spray with Skunk water.nOmesorah -“Because, what you wrote reflects a horribly twisted version of reality. If the names you mentioned would be attached to the opposite party, would you have the same views?”
Of course! What you don’t understand is – I don’t care about American parties. I look at the politicians. Right Now, Trump is closest to Torah than Biden. It’s a Shame that you can’t see that!
JJ -“The RIOTERS should be shot.
End of story”That wouldn’t solve anything.
What we NEED is Conservative politicans, esp. in the Inner Cities!
The Dawn of New Liberalism, since the 1960’s, has Not solved anything.
It only has created More Social Unrest!2scents – “BH this is going to all be behind us.”
You claim to be a medical professional, but the latest Stats are – Covid19 will circulate like the Common Cold. E/o should Masks. The 6 foot rule is Not based on recent Science. Somewhere between 20 – 28 ft. indoors is the minumun amt. of safe distancing!
NoMesorah -“If this is why he is unfit for office, how is Trump worthy?”
This lady claims Biden committed a crime. While the Lady from California also claimed that about Kavanaugh. The difference being the lady from Cal. was drunk at that time. So n/o believed her, except the Demoncrats! The other lady worked in Biden’s Senate Office.
She is entitled to Justice – in both a criminal & civil Court!Trump was Not found guilty in his Impeachment Trial.
If the Demoncrats had anything else – they would Surely bring it up!The Truth You DON’T Seek -“we became a lot more health conscious WITHOUT the immunizations and would have a death rate of almost none even with 3 million children getting measles…”
IDK what type of Anti-vaxx are you. Are you interested in the Truth or you don’t care about it?
If you are interested – here it is:
From the Conversation:
“Deaths from measles have risen to new heights in Europe in the past year. The rapid spread of the measles virus has led to more than 3,300 cases and 35 deaths in Romania, Italy, Germany and Portugal.
Nearly all of the recorded deaths have been in unvaccinated individuals, despite there being a safe and effective vaccine against measles, routinely used in the UK since 1968 and, as part of a triple measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, since 1988.
Successful implementation of the MMR vaccine was interrupted in the early 2000s following publications by Andrew Wakefield linking it to autism. These claims have since proven unfounded in large epidemiological studies – but, for a period between 1998 and 2004, MMR coverage fell dramatically enabling measles epidemic outbreaks…”