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Jackk -“From PPA shortages ”
Trump said very early in the pandemic, that when he came into the Office, Obama left the cupboards Bare. Libs are the biggest LIARS.
Tell me how we have an AIDS Epidemic in the US?
Oh I know – when they discovered a few guys with AIDS, I mean it was just a Few, they conveniently forgot the word QUARANTINE!CS -“Were you suing a private entity or a governmental agency?”
Private.
“I got the job anyway and he was one of the nicest people I ever worked for.”
That’s because he probably was a Conservative.
What the Libs (Jewish or not) don’t understand, they are the Biggest Racists!
1. The whole idea of Affirmative Action is to Discrimnate against Others.
2. I wasn’t hired because I kept Shabbos.Burnt Steak -“They are simply defining the law to protect people for their individual choices and make it harder for employers to fire an employee on a basis other than if they were competent to preform the tasks required for the job”
That’s so nice. When I had my Federal Court case, it wasn’t possible to accommodate me for Shabbos, even though I was Very competent for the job!
“Ilahn omar- “The Minneapolis Police Department is rotten to the root and so when we dismantle it, we get rid of that cancer and we allow for something beautiful to rise.”
Last night & the night before, something beautiful has arisen – only 8 people were shot. This is much better than the night before this, because even though just 7 people were shot, one was killed. I know – the Real problem in this Country is Police Racism, Not Violent Crime! Thank you Ms. Omar & all the liberals for creating the US to be a Third World Country!
Ubiq -“If say audio from body camera is released. And when Lane says “Should we roll him over” Chaiuin says “No lets make sure he is dead first”
would that change your mind at all?”Sorry, I can’t live in that Make Believe. IMHO, he would Never say that.
The only Make Believe I can think of – if Lane says “Should we roll him over” Chauvin says “No lets make sure he is unconscious first.”Ubiq -“says “No lets make sure he is dead first”
would that change your mind at all?”What are you saying he wanted to kill him at the Git Go?!?
You libs are doing everything to make sure that there is No justice in the US.
C’mon I watched the video in Atlanta – the BLACK Mayor & her white Woman Police Chief made it into that the White Cops were Wrong.
They were So nice to the Black Perp until he resisted.
The only solution is to Make Walls around these Liberal Towns & Cities! Of course – NO PD.nOmesorah -“The Obama administration had H1N1 in 2009, Ebola in 2014, and Zika in 2016. They more or less did the job.”
That was Nothing compared to Covid19!
Don’t let your Political Beliefs obscure the truth.nOmesorah – “And shot four students protesting in Kent State. Which led to more protests, and really boosted the anti-war movement. Which toppled JE Hoover, director of the FBI. Then the real madness slowed down. But the FBI (and the riots) could be slowed down still more…..”
I really Don’t know what you’re Talking About. Obviously you weren’t around in the ’60s.
Even if you don’t have a college education or even a High School education, you can still learn things!
I know s/o who got an Education by reading World Book Enc.
You won’t get one by these Frum websites.Ubiq -“Is that your contention?”
That’s Not a contention. That’s a common procedure.
“No where in their procedure does it allow continued chokeholds after a suspect is no longer resisting.”
Until he knew For Sure he was unconscious, he held on – it wasn’t even 3 minutes.
This is a common Police Procedure.
The Libs want to change Reality.
From the news:
“Eric Garner, who died after being put in a chokehold by New York City police officer Daniel Pantaleo, remains one of the most high-profile deaths.
But there are many others: James Thompson in Chicago. Allen Simpson in Dallas. Rodney Lynch in Gallup, N.M. Dustin Boone in Las Vegas. Roger Owensby Jr. in Cincinnati. Carl Glen Wheat in Amarillo, Texas. Gerald Arthur in New Orleans. Torris Harris in Chattanooga, Tenn.
In Minneapolis, where Floyd was killed and where chokeholds had been permitted until this month, the police used neck restraints at least 237 times since 2015 and rendered 44 people unconscious through the technique.”nOmesorah -“Who is the drug pusher today? The maker of oxicontyn?”
No, enough with your Lib posts!
“The kid down the block who bought a bit extra so he could sell to his neighbor?”
That would STOP that from Occuring!
What would the Death Penalty for Drug Pushers Law look like?
Use your imagination.
nOmesorah -“Trump had to pay out two million for improper management of his non-profit. There are about 30 investigations surrounding his assets today. He has faced nearly 4000 lawsuits. What is your point?”
If you went to college or university, you’d know the difference between a Tort & a Crime!
JUST me -” (as opposed to asking my doctor):”
Good Idea. Your Doc doesn’t know as much as Me.
“If I have a lot of antibodies, do I still have to wear a mask?”
It depends – do you know what type of Antibody you have? Are you going to test yourself everyday to make sure you still have them?
There is more than one type of Covid19 floating Around.
It’s called Mutation. Ask your doc, if he/she Even knows about this!So the Answer is – if you won’t be exposed to the Mutation, and you check everyday that you still have those antibodies – then you don’t Need a Mask.
Ubiq -“I dont follow. Let him thrash in the car.”
I agree with THAT! But the law states that you can’t let people Hurt themselves, whether they are in custody or not.
“I don’t understand the connection. They arent being charged with causing him to lose consciousness.”
The point is that was their procedure. If it wasn’t a good way to do things, then the responsibility Lies with the Gov., NOT with the Cop! They are using the Cops as their SCAPEGOATS!
Oh Charlie -“If 115,000 dead Americans and a destroyed economy isn’t a mess up, nothing is.”
Funny; if Obama was still Pres. – you’d have 2-3 Mil. DEAD. And we would be in a Depression worse than the ’30s! Go Trump!
Ubiq -“At any rate we don’t know wha haepned in the cop car as that footage hasnt been released yet”
E/o Knows!
They had to pull him out, because he was thrashing around.
There’s footage of him bleeding around the mouth area.
I haven’t heard the Libs claim the Cops did that, YET!“No then he stopped
and they contiued to choke him”That was their procedure. If there was something wrong with that – the BLACK Police Chief & the MUSLIM AG, should have Stopped it Long Ago!
From the News:
“George Floyd was not the first person to lose consciousness after a Minneapolis police officer put him in a chokehold.
In fact, Minneapolis cops have rendered 44 people unconscious with neck restraints since the beginning of 2015, according to an NBC News analysis of police records. And three-fifths of them were black.
The Minneapolis police define “neck restraints” as any time an officer uses an arm or a leg to press someone’s neck without directly pressuring the airway, more commonly referred to as a chokehold. And Minneapolis police subdued people this way at least 237 times in the past five years, and 16% of these incidents led to the suspects and other individuals losing consciousness, according to the department’s use-of-force records.”SiM -“My point is that this level of societal breakdown in the US is going to lead to some very extreme outcomes, to the point that living in Israel will seem preferable, regardless of its imperfection.”
Whatever breakdown we have here – it will be worse in Israel.
Here we have religious people – ie. Xtians. Most Chilonim are against any type of Jewish Religion!Ubiq -“but you mistankingly wrote earlier ““He cared about Life,” Chauvin didnt . Now you can argue that Cahuvin’s job is not to care about life (as you are now) but he clearly did not care about life, as you concede.”
By twisting my words – you’re Only Fooling Yourself!
I posted this before – “He cared about Life, that’s why he didn’t Let a Perp drive under the influence.
That’s why he was Arrested!”
So he had a choice – let the Guy full of Drugs drive away or Arrest him.
So the cops arrested him.
If he would have behaved in the cop car, they wouldn’t have to pull him out.
Then he continued to Resist. Now the Libs are blaming the cop for doing his Job.
Their solution is getting RID of Minneapolis PD.
I wrote previously -“Just like East St. Louis – NO Jobs, High Crime, Extreme Poverty”.
I change my mind – it will be Worse than East St. Louis!nOmesorah -“As is Trump can do nothing to win this election. He will only win if Biden messes up big time.”
As is Biden can do nothing to win this election. He will only win if Trump messes up big time!
Trump was helping start up the Economy – he’ll continue after the virus.
The Demoncrats only focus on Racial Divide!2scents -“At this point, I really do not see why someone would focus on a law enforcement career”
It depends where. In Minneapolis there won’t be PD. A lot of other Lib cities will follow suit.
This will cause many to Leave Inner Cities. Not just whites, but even Law – abiding Minorities, including the Blacks!SiM -“You really and truly need to start packing your bags.”
Where To? Israel?!?
Do you know that Tel Aviv is considered the Gay Capitol of the World?!?CS – The Libs have done this Years Ago!
I remember Gay meaning just like Happy.Ubiq -“Thats called not caring. “
As long as they do their job. Call it what you Want.
“Because it doesnt change the truth at all.”
The Truth is you need a police dept. Without them there will be Chaos.
I’m waiting to see how Minneapolis will look like – when they won’t have any.
Just like East St. Louis – NO Jobs, High Crime, Extreme Poverty.
Just because the Libs got Their WAY!KotevOni -“NYC protest organizer questioned after threat to take violence to Diamond District: ‘Gasoline .. is awfully cheap.”
The reason I’m posting this line from your last post is because a lot of Jews think -“it can’t happen here”.
They also thought that in Europe in WW2.Ubiq -“why are they that corrupt? I’m not familiar with Minn. Supreme court”
Not at All! He’s Not Guilty on any Murder Charge.
“At any rate now you understand the rioting. Here y u have a slam dunk case a guy who by any measure of justice is clearly guilty. And yet you are certain he will walk free. And even if found guilty the corrupt upper court will free him? Why shouldnt people riot?”
Oh I understand why they Riot. This is what happens when people get things – Something for Nothing.
This is what the Demoncrats have taught them!“He cared about Life,
Lol, just not enough to check on him for several minutes”The job of the cops were to call EMS. That they did. Not to check on him every few. Why don’t you learn the Minneapolis Police Protocols before you comment?
KotevOni -“Derek Chauvin had not been Christian of French ancestry but of one particular background…”
You don’t have to imagine it anymore. The anti-racism protest in France has already become Anti-Jew!
Thank You to all the western countries That promote Liberalism.nOMesorah – “Are you seriously advocating the death penalty for drug use?”
I’m advocating the Death Penalty for the Drug Pushers. If there are No more Pushers, there will be Much Less Drug Abusers or Users!
Oh Charlie & Ubiq – For that Matter, like Crump said, he should be charged with 1st degree MURDER?!?
Even if you can Convince the Jury on all 3 MURDER Charges – it will be thrown out in Minn. Supreme Court!
For Charlie – on the 3rd degree Murder Charge in Minn.:
HG.com -“Murder is charged when a person is killed and the defendant has an indifference to the sanctity of human life.”
He cared about Life, that’s why he didn’t Let a Perp drive under the influence.
That’s why he was Arrested!1 – “How did the madness slow down?”
They brought in the National Guard. These Guys had APC & Tanks. It stopped Real Quick.
SB – I think they are Shooting for something Worse!
This is just the Beginning.
We Must Stand Up for Our First Amendment Right.
The Libs think only certain Groups have Rights.
Just like during the Holocaust – Aryan Rights.
Now we have other Groups being catered too, over e/o else!Ubiq -“If a person intends to commit Arson and didnt know a person was inside the building R’L are you saying he cant be charged with second degree murder because it wasn’t a separate act You need to do 2 Felonies?
If a person intends to kidnap someone by stuffing him in the trunk of a car and the person (unintentionally) suffocates he cant be charged with second degree murder becasue it wasnt a separate act You need to do 2 Felonies?”In the first case – there were 2 Felonies. Arson & Murder.
In the 2nd case, there was just Murder (One Felony).
Remember, I didn’t Write Minn. 2nd degree Murder Law!nOmesorah -“A large amount of the neighborhood had open warrants, or was on probation, or was doing something unlawful. (Drugs or guns.)”
You just proved that the Liberal system doesn’t work.
It’s called Crime & Punishment.
Now you know why the Lib politicians cater to the Criminals.
How come they Don’t care about the Law-abiding minorities that are forced to live in those neighborhoods?
Real Punishment can be either the Death penalty or Real Life Imprisonment.
Then we can determine how many Cops we Really Need!Ubiq -“We did clear it up. but you seem confused. If a person unintentionally kills while committing a felony, that is the literal defintion of mmurder in the second degree.”
YOU ARE The One Who’s Confused!
You seem to Not understand the meaning of #3 “other than” for the Murder.
You can kill s/o by Shooting him or by Assaulting him.
In this case, the Charge for Murder in the 2nd degree, is Not valid.
You need to do 2 things (Felonies), NOT Just the Murder by ASSAULT!Avi K -“I posted that previously. Just out of curiosity, did your “Caps Lock” button get stuck?”
Not At ALL!
It’s called calling attention to your Liberalism.SB – “BTW I noticed that she retweeted someone that says that of cpurse she doeant mean to get rid of police all she means is Camden”
Either she does or she doesn’t. The Fact is the Camden County PD was willing to take over Camden City.
The reality is No one is willing to take over Policing Minneapolis. See my post on page 1.
So will we have PD in Minneapolis or Not? I think that we won’t, but Right Now the Libs are too scared to tell the truth.
Minneapolis will look like East St. Louis, one of the Crime Capitals in the US!Som1 -“Ilahn omar- “The Minneapolis Police Department is rotten to the root and so when we dismantle it, we get rid of that cancer and we allow for something beautiful to rise.”
I guess she thinks – her Country Somalia with NO Law & Order, is Something Beautiful!
From the News in Minn.:
“With threat of Minneapolis police being disbanded, Anoka County sheriff says ‘many agencies’ don’t want to go back to the city and restore order.
The idea of the Minneapolis Police Department being disbanded by the city council is not sitting well with Anoka County Sheriff James Stuart, who on Sunday said his agency has “no appetite” for working in the city if the police department is abolished.
Sheriff Stuart, however, doesn’t want his outfit to have to return to Minneapolis if the police department is disbanded.
“The members of the Minneapolis City Council should be mindful that numerous other law enforcement agencies have responded to support them, to restore order, to protect their citizens and to return peace to their city during recent tragic days,” wrote Sheriff Stuart.
“There are clearly concerns to be addressed and areas to be fixed. However, If they choose to eliminate their police department through defunding operations without a realistic plan, they must also choose to live with the consequences of their decisions.
“We are one of many agencies who have no appetite for going back to their city to restore order again; especially if their decision is to actively compromise the safety of the city.”Avi K -“CBS News reported that Coworker David Pinney said the two men had a history.”They bumped heads,””
How come you didn’t use that to say, like Crump said, he should be charged with 1st degree MURDER?!?
bk613 -“Exactly, and absent of a really compelling reason why he needed to kneel on Floyds neck for 9 minutes even after he went limp ”
STOP With the Liberal Lies! He wasn’t even unconscious until the last 3 minutes. The first part it was a Legal Restraint.
Ubiq -“Got it. So he meant it as an insult but he wasn’t insulting him”
It’s sad that you don’t understand the English language.
From Websters:
Insult over here means:
“a gross indignity”“Assault is a felony. IF you attend to commit asssault (a felony) and you intentionally kill the vicitm , yo uare guitly of murder in the second degree. I am so glad to have cleared that up.”
Yes, we cleared it up already – I wrote for #3 “other than” for the Murder.
Don’t worry, if the LIBS LIKE YOU are on the Jury, we don’t need a Fake Trial – He’s GUILTY From the Git Go!Oh Charlie -“Today Bernie Sanders not only opposed defunding police, he called for big pay increases!”
I wonder why he’s Not like many other Libs calling for Defunding? Eg. Minneapolis is getting Rid of their PD.
Oh I Know Why, because he remembers Nazi Germany; he’s an Old Man.
What’s going to happen when they get Rid of all the PD’s?
In Nazi Germany, they didn’t Care how assimilated you were, you were a Jew & were treated that way.
B. Sanders realizes, after no more Cops, they will come after the Jews.
After all, listen to the Radical Left – “It’s All the Jews Fault”!Ubiq -“I dont see the diference
Teling your vicitm sarcasticly “Get up” knowing he can’t is taunting”Well I looked it up.
From Websters:
“taunting; taunts
Collegiate Definition (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
: to reproach or challenge in a mocking or insulting manner : jeer at
noun
Collegiate Definition (Entry 2 of 2)
: a sarcastic challenge or insult”I was trying to tell you that I think he meant the #2 definition, not the first.
I don’t think he was mocking or insulting him.“Or assaulting someone….
Say Tom (not a cop) assaulted Harry, without justification, and Harry died As a result. wouldnt Tom be guilty of second degree murder?”
No. In Minn. – Unless he did it in those 4 ways. Chauvin is Not guilty of 2nd degree Murder.
Are YOU Sure You Understand ENGLISH?!?bk613 -“He had several other officers assisting him including Officer Thao who was between him and the people on the side walk.”
He’s responsible for own Safety. He can rely on s/o else, if there is enough PD there. I guess he thought there wasn’t. And I agree, because there was a total of 6 & 2 left.“Yes, he needed to be aware of his surroundings at all times but he could have (and should have) spared 10 seconds to make sure Floyd was ok.”
WHY DO YOU KEEP REPEATING? I Answered that already.
“IDK , he’ll have to explain that in court.”“There is no rule or protocol that requires them to keep a suspect handcuffed and pinned on the floor until EMS arrives.”
That’s your Mistake. If a person is Arrested, Not just Detained, they are under the PD’s or Jail’s custody.
What you witnessed in your career, is that it depends on the situation.
If they feel just watching him is enough, that’s what they’ll do.
If they feel they must do more, like Total Restraint, then that’s what they’ll do!Ubiq -“so why was he repeating “get in the car” Just to taunt him?
And what was he hoping would happen? what was his intended end game”I think it was Sarcasm, Not taunting.
If even you don’t see it in person, there is enough Videos online to understand Police Procedures.
When they are sure the perp Won’t Resist anymore, they respond to that!“And at any rate As for 2nd degree murder here is one of the definitions that I had supplied, then you repeated (its in your post June 8 8:56 PM)
““…. 3. Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony…….””
The fact that it was “an accident” is not an excuse”I answered that on the First page.
Here it is AGAIN:
“Here is the law in Minn. for 2nd Degree murder:
“1. Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
2. Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
3. Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal….. conduct ….or a drive-by shooting
4. Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order”For #3:
A felony other than the so-called “Murder”!
Do you understand the English language?!?
Eg. – While robbing a store.Ubiq -“Why couldn’t he use one of his 2 eyes to look at the suspect he was assaulting who for a full 3 minutes was completly motionless and”
IDK , he’ll have to explain that in court.
“for a time prior to that said he would cooperate?”
He doesn’t have to believe him & he didn’t!
“Sorry, I didnt know is not an excuse. In fact “unintentional” is one of the charges. It is strange to argue your way out of unintentional manslaughter by saying “sorry I ddint know” yes , that is the Charge!”
Make up your mind, if you can, I asked you what the charge was. You said 2nd Degree Murder, now you’re saying
Manslaughter.
Try that Mind Manipulation in a court of Law.“but the perp kept his knee there for another minute”
At that time he was looking around. I’ll repeat -“When there is a Volatile Scene he had to Look at the (at least 2 others) Scene to make Sure it was Safe and to Keep it that Way!”
akuperma -“The alternative to police is vigilantes”
That’s is exactly what happens in Guatamala. Go watch the Documentary about it.
I’m all for for it. Better than it is Now. Selective implementing of Justice.
We prosecute Cops for doing their job. And we let Criminals free!Avi K -“The owner of El Nuevo Rodeo said the two were in close proximity once a week for their Tuesday night shifts, though she did not know if they ever actually met while working at the club.”
Stop with the conspiracy Theories!
When Chauvin came on the scene, he probably didn’t recognize the guy. He was helping Restrain a Resisting Perp.Oh Charlie, -“It isn’t fascist at all. It is anarchist.”
I agree. So is BLM (Black Lives Matter) Group.
But you democrats are Bowing Down to Them!Ubiq -“which video shows what happened in the car?”
There’s one shot from a distance.
“I thought I saw all of them. where can I find this one ?”
Online.“Again he probably didn’t know that. It was a Volatile Scene. He probably saw his eyes closed – SO WHAT?”
“didnt know” is not an excuse”It’s an Excuse, because we have only 2 EYES. Didn’t you learn Anatomy? 2 Eyes on your Head?
When there is a Volatile Scene he had to Look at the (at least 2 others) Scene to make Sure it was Safe and to Keep it that Way!“IT was 3 minutes that is a long time. Try it sit thee for 3 minutes. and for a few minutes prior As Chauvin said “get in the car” and Floyd said “I will ” I can’t” why didnt Chauvin let him get up and into the car?”
You Libs Always TWIST the TRUTH! They gave him that chance beforehand. They gave the chance to sit Nicely in the Car, which he couldn’t DO! That’s why they pulled him out.
“When EMS came he gave over care to them.”
“After another minute”Another LIBERAL LIE! EMS came on the Scene. The EMT went over & checked his Pulse. After that, they went to get the Stretcher. Then they all Put Him on it!
“where can this rule be found that even if a suspect is no longer resisting, even if he is unconscious (even if he is dead?) You cannot let up until you hand him over to EMS ( or the coroner I guess if he is dead?)”
Ask one of your Lawyer friends. Once s/o is in custody. It’s up to him – what to do next. Who said he was unconscious? His eyes were closed. Some Cops don’t practice Medicine. EMS was en- route. He did a Good Job.
“Interesting. How long does this magic once -you- resist- you -can -be -assaulted rule last? Can they still assault him a day later a week later?”
Once s/o is in Custody, it’s like being in Jail. I’ve been in jail – you do what you’re told or YOU Suffer the consequences!Oh Charlie, –
“Further proof that there is no difference between the nutty far left and the Trumpies”I know you’re Not a Trumpie, but All your posts seem to imply you’re from the NUTTY Far Left!
Avi K -“Health, the neck restraint IS Not generally allowed unless the officer reasonably believes that his life is in danger.”
Not in Minneapolis. Go look at their Protocols. There are few reasons that it’s allowed there.
From the News:
“Officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have rendered at least 44 individuals unconscious by using neck restraints”
It’s common there.“I reiterate, there should be follow up on the fact that they worked together as bouncers.”
Before commenting, you Should read ALL the Comments HERE!
From JackovLev:
“According to the owner of the club where they both worked, they worked at different times and probably never shared a shift together.”Ubiq -“I’m not sure how you know that”
The Video.
For s/o who claims he watched the video – I Guess you didn’t watch all of them.“b. Even if that is the case, how does that allow for assault after he is unconscious?”
Again he probably didn’t know that. It was a Volatile Scene. He probably saw his eyes closed – SO WHAT?
When EMS came he gave over care to them.“source please”
I worked in NYC EMS. The rules & laws are probably the same all over.
Just like – you can’t commit murder in the US.“thanks I already cited the releent part to you.
“…. 3. Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal….. conduct ….or a drive-by shooting….”Stop LYING! Placing a guy under arrest with Restraint, when two minutes ago he was Resisting, is Legal, Not a Felony! No Matter how many Times you POST THAT!