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Oh Charlie, -“The Talmud says you do. Our judicial system does not meet even the minimal standards demanded by the Torah for Noachide courts.”
In this case it does!
I surely Hope that you don’t represent YU on your Torah knowledge!
For Noachide courts, acc. to the Rambam, all you need is one Witness & one Judge.
The witness said that he didn’t pay for his cigarettes, because the bill was counterfeit.
Then the Judge Cop gave him the Correct Torah Punishment!Oh Charlie, -“Had Geroge Floyd been a Jew, WE would be the ones rioting.”
“While US Jews don’t usually riot,…”Hypocrisy at it’s Finest!
You were talking about American Jews.Ubiq -“could you please explain what this has to do with Dr. Zelenko?”
Well he gave the same Drugs for Covid19, just in the Outpatient Setting!
From that Topic:
“This is from that NYU Study:”
“We performed a retrospective observational study to compare hospital outcomes among patients who received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc versus hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone.”Ubiq -““So the guy has a GREAT Question!”
which guy?”#1 -“Why haven’t askonim come to bat for Dr. Zelenko”
nOmesorah -“The one violent crime (Was it armed robbery?), he was not positively ID’d. Though, he did plead guilty. More like a typical low class nice guy on drugs.”
Why do you post things that can’t be True?!?
This is very Extreme Liberalism.
Yes, he was Convicted on Home Invasion with Armed Robbery.
The impression that you’re trying to give is Blatantly FALSE!
You don’t need a Positive ID to find s/o Guilty of a Crime.
It was through the Police Investigation that they found him & Convicted him.
He decided on his own to plead Guilty.
Probably because he figured that the Judge would be lenient.From SCOPES:
“About three months later, investigators in the Houston Police Department narcotics unit “came across this vehicle during one of the their respective investigations and identified the following subjects as occupants of this vehicle at the time of their investigation: George Floyd (Driver)…,” the statement reads.
At 6-foot-7, Floyd was identified as the “the largest” of the six suspects who arrived at the home in the Ford Explorer and had pushed a pistol against Henriquez’ abdomen before looking for items to steal. (Nothing in the court documents suggests she was pregnant at the time of the robbery, contrary to what memes and Owens later claimed.) He pleaded guilty in 2009 and was sentenced to five years in prison. He was paroled in January 2013, when he was almost 40 years old.”This isn’t – “like a typical low class nice guy on drugs”.
So STOP Trying to MANIPULATE the Readers on YWN!!!Ubiq -“Why haven’t askonim come to bat for Dr. Zelenko. He clearly had positive results.”
“And finally it did not show a statistically significant benefit in mortality for the group who got HCQ”And posted this on that Topic:
“Then they go on to tell us this -“The NYU Study found a 44% reduction in Mortality, when given before needing ICU Admission.”
So the guy has a GREAT Question!nOmesorah -“So, if Mr. Floyd is still presumed innocent, why do you keep referring to him as a criminal? [And, as resisting arrest for criminal motives.]”
Did you research what happened in Minn. before you came to Post on YWN?
Floyd was convicted of many Crimes – way before the incident of his Death!“Fear of the police, would not stop crimes. It would stop them from being reported.”
It would make people Think Twice before they would Act, if their actions could be viewed as Criminal!
SL -“You mean like we did after yankele rosenbaum, the monsey stabbing, and the jersey city murders?”
No, Charlie thinks that the behavior of people rioting when there is a perceived violation of their rights is the correct way. Us Jews should learn to be the same way!
nOmesorah -“Why is Mr. Floyd not innocent until proven guilty?”
Of course he would be, but he’s dead.
He’s NOT on Trial.“What is the reason that criminal should fear the Police?”
This would decrease the desire to do a criminal act.
It wouldn’t stop e/o, though.Opinionated 2 -“That’s golus”
It’s one thing that the Goyim don’t keep the 7 Mitzvos, and another thing that they honor a Criminal because he was killed by the Cops! There are many Black Conservatives that say this openly. And right now, we don’t know if the cop did anything illegal. What happened to the concept of – Innocent Until Proven Guilty?!? And they call this Country better than Russia or China?!?DMB -“By a peaceful protest, even if it is after curfew, teargas is not needed. When unnecessary force is used we call it police brutality.”
From YWN -“As the crowd grew — authorities estimate there were 4,000 present at the peak of the protest…
Later, protesters vigorously shook the fence surrounding the courthouse, shot fireworks towards the building and threw glass bottles. Many times these actions were met by federal agents using tear gas and flash bangs.”IMHO, I believe that the Feds acted with much Restraint!
They should have cleared the area as soon as the Curfew started.nOmesorah -“because you knew that it would be worse in the long run to resist arrest?”
I got news for You – I’m a Law-abiding Citizen, Not Like George Floyd!
Even if there Wasn’t 2 Armed Officers, just one Unarmed Meekly Officer, I’d comply with the Legal Arrest Warrant.
The whole Current Events isn’t About White against Black, but Law-abiding Citizens vs. Criminals.
The Media & the Libs have Conned the World!
It’s Barbasim in Sheep’s Clothing.nOmesorah -“Capital punishment, is a means of moving illegitimate power from the hands of the people to the arm of the government. Iran and Iraq had capitol punishment, that kept petty crime at very low levels.”
That’s So NOT True! They do have Capital Punishment here in the US. When the Libs allowed it more than Now, it wasn’t abused by our Gov.! Not like Iran & Iraq.
Huju -“In the United Kingdom, police officers generally do not carry firearms. I would like to see some jurisdictions try that here.”
That doesn’t solve anything. In the UK, when s/o wants to kill, they stab them.“Anybody who shoots a cop would be shooting an unarmed person”
So? There isn’t Real Punishment for something like that in the US!DMB -“When I said the sentence that I quoted I was talking about peaceful protests!”
I got news for you – they aren’t arresting people that are at a Legal, peaceful protest!Yidd23 -“What kind of police reforms do we need?”
This is the Topic in 2020.
But the Topic – should be why is there So much crime in the US?
If we would focus on that issue, there would be less of an issue on Police Reform.
Simply because if there’s Less crime – we could have Less Cops!nOmesorah -“I read an account by an immigrant who came over in the 1880s.She wrote that not feeling apprehensive by the sight of a police officer, took longer to be acclimated to than anything else.”
My grandmother was like that. Because in Europe the cops hated Jews.
But in the US, they treat e/o equally.
You NEED to have some Fear of Law Enforcement. This is a Crime Deterrant.“Your entire outlook of policing seems removed from my experiences. Can I ask if how many arrests you have been involved in? (Knowing the person arrested, or assisting in the arrest.)”
I never assisted in arresting people. But the other 2 questions are Yes.
I actually have been arrested & taken to Jail.
The Liberal way of arresting & NOT Prosceuting – feeds the ANARCHY in this Country!DMB -“The gain is not worth the loss.”
I guess that You don’t Understand! The Federal Agents are there to arrest people.
That would require an Element of Surprise. NOT Letting them get a chance to get Away.“Actually, what happens when responsible cities arrest protestors is they take them down to the station, process them which can take a while and then let them free. it usually takes a few hours, but no courts are involved. The idea is just to annoy the protestors so that they shouldn’t want to do it again.”
So, that’s exactly the problem. For years & years – this Liberal idea of this deterrant doesn’t Work. No one is scared to get arrested, if there is No Serious Punishment. So far, in the Cities, No one is scared Not to go out & RIOT! This is Not the Case, when the Feds arrest you!
DMB -“I just have a problem with soldiers in unmarked minivans pulling people off the sidewalk. If they were in a convoy of humvees it wouldn’t bother me as much.”
I’m sure they recognized the guy as a Perp.
They needed to do unmarked vehicles for the Element of Surprise.“Actually not. The purpose of law enforcement is to enforce the law. There are better ways to do that then acting like the KGB.”
Now your Lib attitude is Showing.
This has nothing to do with Commy Russia.
Sometimes you need an Element of Surprise, so the guy doesn’t have the Heads Up & Hides!“Do you know the meaning of “CURFEW”?”
“Yeah, it means that after this time you get arrested. Teargas is for when violence is necessary.”IDK, if you been arrested or Not, but it’s a Long Process.
If the purpose is to clear the streets, it’s much Easier to Use Tear Gas, than arrest s/o.
To arrest s/o – they have to be Tried in a Court of Law.DMB -“It definitely seems as though they are pulling suspects off the streets throughout the city, not just by the courthouse. There is extensive video evidence for this.”
If they are doing something wrong – they be held accountable. I doubt that they are breaking any Law!
It’s just the Liberal politicians trying to get some Publicity!“I don’t know whether or not the actions taken by Homeland Security are constitutional or not, but the tactics being used definitely scare me.”
That’s the purpose of Law enforcement.
Up to the 50’s – 60’s, e/o was scared of COPS.“And spraying teargas at people simply chanting slogans? this is not even unique to the feds. in the beginning of the protests i saw live video of people being teargassed for protesting after curfew.”
Do you know the meaning of “CURFEW”?
If Non-lethal doesn’t work, then they go to Live Fire!nOmesorah -“I was asking if you are advocating for Federal Agents, like Portland has. I have no idea how it is helping. And it seems to be at least borderline unconstitutional.”
There’s nothing unconstitutional about sending in Federal units. Actually they were sent in to protect the US courthouse.
The Oregon AG, a lib Jew, & their Governor are claiming that they are arresting people Not near the Court House.
This is the only legal grounds they have to stand on!
Let’s See the Proof.nOmesorah -“This was discussed on the thread about the Sixties. Those cities are capable of containing the unrest on their own.”
IDK about Now, but I posted in that Topic, that it took the National Guard to quell those riots.
It might be that the cops in those cities, actually could Stop the Rioting, but the Governors & the Mayors are Putting handcuffs on them!Oh Charlie, -“The crimes that have increased as a result of bail reform are burglaries and auto thefts not homicides.”
What you don’t want to admit, that assaults have increased.
The assaults can easily lead to homoicide.
The 4 cops that were assaulted on the Bridge, would never be tolerated with a Republican Mayor in NYC!Flowers -“How in the world can you possibly know that most don’t keep them?”
If you learnt the 7 Mitzvos, you’d know how I’d know that.
I’m not here to teach you Torah.nOmesorah -“Just to be clear, this appears to be as close to a brutal murder as it seems. Just because the officer can make a legal argument, it does not assume the nature of the event”
I agree with Milhouse. You are calling it a brutal murder. Why? I could understand that opinion – if after the cop let go – the perp was dead. Do you even know when the Perp lost his pulse? Or you don’t want to know – because it doesn’t fit your AGENDA?!?
BTW, your use of fancy Vocabulary – doesn’t make you any More Knowledgeable!2scents -“Some crimes involve injuring and killing of innocent people, why would we want not want to have a police force that can respond and handle these situations?”
The situation that just happened on the bridge – is proof that the Cops are useless! They can’t protect themselves, so can they Protect the Public?!?
Milhouse – Your comparison to Yesias Mezrayim – can’t compare to any killing.
Hashem wants the Goyim to keep the 7 Mitzvos.
But SADLY almost NOone in the US keeps them.
Only a few states even have the Death Penality.
And just yesterday the Federal Gov. just killed s/o, but it was the First time since 2003.Millhouse -“Floyd was definitely not murdered.”
1. There will be a trial to see if he is Guilty of any crime. I hope it will be a Fair Trial by his Peers.
2. If found Guilty, he’s Minn.’s Scapegoat!
This Knee choke was an accepted Police Practice, until the Death of Floyd. It was used everywhere.
Not just that, they used it many times to make s/o unconsious.
If this is a procedure that’s WRONG, then the Musilm AG & The Police Chief should be the Ones on Trial. They made the Protocol! The cop used it to make the PERP unconsious for Only 3 minutes.besalel -“stop and frisk.”
Only in NYC was it targeted Minorities!
nOmesorah -“A lot of people cared. And they cared way too much. Obama was in his second term.”
That’s exactly My point – they only Care about Politics, namely their Party, not about the Law.
So there’s No point to make something a policy or a Law, when people do what they want anyway.nOmesorah -“Maybe the major parties could require a candidate to release his tax returns as a condition to run. It would have saved the Republicans a lot of trouble.”
Why make New laws, when the DemonCrats don’t follow the ones that are already there?
It was illegal for Obama to be the President of the US. But no one, besides a few even cared!GH -“The 11 million “illegal” immigrants are already here.”
I actually can’t wait. They’ll let in Millions of Hispanics.
They’ll will make the US – The New Mexico!“The vast majority do the jobs that Americans won’t do and according to DOJ, have a crime rate that is lower than the national average”
Good bye to the DemonCrats & to Supposed Molester Biden!
They are very religious & all the Lib Laws that were created by these liberals, will be History!Ubiq -“So my bringing it up was wrong.”
I appreciate your honesty.
You’re improving, not like your denial of my lawsuit that went up to SCOTUS.Ubiq -“No! they got HCQ without zinc. AS you wrote in the previous sentence”
What I meant was besides HCQ & Zpack, they got Standard of Care.
I thought that was obvious.“But who says HCQ alone is a good treatment? some studies show those who got HCQ alone did WORSE than those who didnt ?”
Which studies?
The Study I quoted above says they technically are the same.
So No Real difference to treat with HCQ or Zpack or both or neither.
Here it is again:
From JAMA – May 11, 2020:
“Conclusions and Relevance: – Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality. However, the interpretation of these findings may be limited by the observational design.”“So which is better HCQ +Zinc or “regular standard of care”?
Carlucci doesn’t tell us”Right Now it’s Obvious!
Combine the 2 studies.
The JAMA Study tells us there basically is No difference between to treat with HCQ or Zpack or both or neither.
The NYU Study tells us -“We performed a retrospective observational study to compare hospital outcomes among patients who received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc versus hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone.”
Then they go on to tell us this -“The NYU Study found a 44% reduction in Mortality, when given before needing ICU Admission.”So me & Zelenco & anybody else, that says give Zinc & HCQ or another Zn ionophore instead of HCQ, are correct in using this Tx. for Covid19.
Acc. to Zelenco, it really doesn’t work on day 6 and beyond – after onset of symptoms.
For the Umteenth Time, I don’t recommend Z-pack, unless there is documented Bacterial infection.BY1212 – “They cynically use the blacks as pawns to achieve their political ends, replacing the physical slavery of the past with the mental slavery of the modern welfare state.”
Is that your Birthday?
You see how Hashem runs the world.
They did it to further enslave Blacks, because of their White Guilt. Thinking it’s good for Them?!?
Ha-Ha.
But me & a lot of Frum People, enjoy the Welfare State!Ubiq -“So the NYU study showed a reduction in mortality compared to ….”
This is a good question for a Layman.
You claim to be a Medical Professional!
So why didn’t you look it UP ?!?
Esp. since you practice Hospital Care.This is from that NYU Study:
“We performed a retrospective observational study to compare hospital outcomes among patients who received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc versus hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone.”
It also says they excluded in this study anyone who was administered Other Trial Drugs.
I assume that they got regular Standard of Care.DMB -“Great, I already wrote “ I wasn’t saying it is okay to tear down offensive statues.” maybe you didn’t see that post.”
I don’t understand Why you started this Topic?!?
A lot of things bother – a lot of people.
Some are Justified & some not.
My assumption was & I think many posters think this way too, that you were Defending the Tearing Down of Statues Illegally.
Maybe you don’t Realize that the Actions of these Anarchists is that When something Upsets them – then they Throw Law & Order out the Window!
This is what bothers me about the Current Events. Looting, burning, destroying statues, etc.
All in the Name of Equality!
The First thing, a group who feels Unequal, is to Show e/o how they respect Law & Order!
Not Vice Versa.DMB -“So, if I kill someone, It would be a good defense to say that I don’t believe that there is anything wrong with killing people? ”
Your portraying the moral thinking of today and applying for that time!
If for Time Immorial there was Slavery, & now some guys are saying it isn’t Moral, they can’t be blamed for Not thinking that way.
Why can’t you understand this?
If the Government decides to get rid of these Statues, I wouldn’t have any problem.
These Statues weren’t put up to discriminate against anyone!
So if s/o or some people don’t like them – they have No right to illegally remove them.
In some cities, there is No rule of law, just Anarchy!Ubiq -“Great so keep giving it (though Carluccis study doesnt really prove that it proves it is better than HCQ alone!”
Let’s me & you use Some Brain Power!The FDA Removed the EUA of HCQ.
Basically because of the RECOVERY Trial in UK. (The arm on HCQ.)
You find the same/similar Trial From JAMA – May 11, 2020:
Conclusions and Relevance – “Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality.”Now if you combine Zinc & HCQ, you have a GOOD Therapy that can Save Many LIVES!
“The NYU Study found a 44% reduction in Mortality, when given before needing ICU Admission.”DMB – And you Still Don’t get my Point!
Those Slave owners didn’t think in Anyway, that they were Doing something Immoral.
And they weren’t at That Time. I’m Not saying everybody should put up Statues, but whatever the reason s/o put it up, there’s No reason to remove them Illegally.Nazis Never thought e/o would agree on their idea of Aryanism.
Your comparision is Absurd!DMB -“So to be clear, rounding up Jews and putting them into concentration camps = completely evil, but buying blacks and putting them into forced labor = totally fine.”
What you and other Liberals FAIL to or DON’T Want to Understand – it’s NOT about Right or Wrong.
The Slave owners held it was Their Property.
Then Pres. Lincoln decided it was Wrong, so he freed them.
The Libs are tearing down Statues because they were For Slavery or Owned Slaves.
But what it really was about – was Ownership.The Sick PC nowadays is Trying to Change the Reality!
They are Making it into a Race Issue.
That’s because they believe in Race Disharmony.
NOT Like MLK Jr.Ubiq -“systematic review of randomized controlled trials” that criticizes the idea that only RCT matter”
“This is why his study doesnt prove anythign”I realize that his study is not a real study.
I think he had to put something in Print – Because he’s one of the few guys that are doing something about Covid19. He made national news.
This created a big Pushback from the Leftists, because Trump was on-board.
Btw, he gave his protocol to many Countries.
And one of them is Brazil.
I looked into Brazil. The President there is a Right-winger.
There also is a big Pushback about HCQ from the Leftists.
The picture that I’m Getting is that Human Life is NOT as important as Politics!Here’s proof that Zinc & HCQ works for Covid19:
From MedXiv – A retrospective study – Author Carlucci….
“Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.”DMB -“Imagine if a nazi concentration guard…”
How did you become such a Liberal?
How are you comparing Stautes that honoring people for what ever reason, just because they believe in Slavery to Nazism?!?
You seriously have a Total Lack of Education!
Go to the website of Officer Tatum (a Black Conservative), he knows more than you.
Slavery was started by Blacks in Africa. It wasn’t a Racial thing.
To compare it to Nazism, as a Jew, I’m deeply Offended!
I think all Jews should be Offended by Your Comparison!Ubiq -“meh”
Is this an English word? What does it mean? I only heard from you.
“just the notion that he limited it to get accepted when in reality he has more data that he is suppressing doesn’t hold water.”
IDK. Maybe he has a different reason.
First listen to the Interview & then come back to here to discuss it.
“But Dr. Zelenko’s “research” doesnt prove it.”
In that interview, he actually discusses the definition of “Proving something”.
He has a different definition!
Come back here to discuss, if you don’t agree with him, after seeing the Interview.Ubiq -“Just that sadly his study does not show that it helps.”
You must listen to his interview with Del Bigtree.
I saw it on the Lakewood Scoop.
It seems that he only made a small study that would be accepted by the rest of the scientific community. He only treated pts. in his practice with either old age or other serious medical issues. Other pts., even with Covid 19, were Not treated.
I think he had treated a total of 700 pts. Only 2 of those pts. died.
Very significant RESULTS.
He also claimed that there are 4 reasons the US Won’t accept this Tx.
His protocol is being used in Many Countries.
P.S. – I don’t like Bigtree on his theories about Vaxxing.
I don’t agree that pts. with Covid19 should take the Z-pack.
But I agree with the other two Drugs!nOmesorah -”It is when will we stop this pandemic. America’s (financial) future hinges on it.”
There are many Cures, but the regulations that were created here in the US, no one wants to develop it here. I have One and I’m looking into China to make it.
The US is about to Implode & it’s the LIBERAL’s Fault!nOmesorah -“Arrested and released -Barney Fife
Send home in a squad car- Andy Griffith”Are you talking about TV?
That’s Not Real Life.“Punishment for the sake of punishment -Saddam Hussein”
He’s Not around anymore.nOmesorah -“Until today Blacks have their own melting pot that is largely ignored”
I don’t understand. Explain.