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Yidd23 -“What would be a reason not to use a pulse oximeter?”
They think using a pulse – ox will make a shortage. You can’t practice medicine, without many years of schooling. A lot of of med. profs have a lot of Gaiva. I agree with Doc Levitan.
Syag -“i have to disagree on this”
YOU ARE Right.
But a lot of Med. Professionals are not uptodate, Just like our Gov.From USPharmacists:
“In a recent editorial in the New York Times, Dr. Richard Levitan, a New Hampshire–based emergency medicine physician with a specialty in intubation, noted that a substantial percentage of patients he saw while working in a busy New York hospital in March suffered from silent hypoxia. They were utterly unaware they had low, sometimes extremely low, oxygen levels and clearly compromised lungs with moderate-to-severe pneumonia.
“Widespread pulse oximetry screening for COVID pneumonia—whether people check themselves on home devices or go to clinics or doctors’ offices—could provide an early warning system for the kinds of breathing problems associated with COVID pneumonia,” he wrote.
He urged patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 to check their blood oxygen levels with a pulse oximeter for 2 weeks after diagnosis or any symptom onset to detect dropping oxygen levels before pneumonia advanced.”nOmesorah -“Who mad up that the police knew there were kids in the car? (Is someone trying to steal my story line?)”
What story line?
The cops were right Next to the car – so they saw the kids.
Do you think kids are invisible?“And why won’t the police union advance your theories? Is the union also fake news?”
No. The union is trying to be impartiial. They don’t work on the Defense Team.
“PS You need better counterpoints.”
I don’t have to counter Fake points.
Why is this Blake the The Lib Topic of the Day?
The cops should be rewarded, because they responded to a Domestic and they protected the Black Women.
And BLM!nOmesorah -“If the Police shot Blake for refusing to drop the knife, that should be the main story line.”
Well you’re right. Maybe that’s why it’s called Fake News!
“Maybe you misheard”
I don’t think so.
“1) Did the police notice that he had a knife?”
Yes.
“2) Did they tell him to drop it?”
Yes.
“3) Did that have any relevance to the shooting?”
Of course.
” If they are terrified of knives they did not have to follow him so closely.”
Maybe they weren’t that afraid, but they were scared for the kids in the Car?!?
“Is there any way that holding a knife, would warrant the second round of shots?!?”
Of course, you and the Rest of the Libs, judge up the case, even though you’re not the Judge!
“I have been at knifepoint multiple times. With one exception, I never had worse than some cuts on my hands.”
Well lucky you!
BTW, do you know if there are any murders in the UK?
There shouldn’t be, because almost no one has Guns!!nOmesorah -““told him drop the knife” = I am trying to figure this part out. You seem to have it in the beginning of the clip. Maybe they did. So what?”
I’m trying to figure you out.
No matter how you twist the case, if a cop tells you to -“Drop the knife” and you don’t – it’s very likely that they will make you do it, like Shooting you!nOmesorah – “I heard four interviews with Raysean White. In none of them does he say he heard ‘drop the knife’.”
I don’t care if he gave 100 interviews after the one I saw. Maybe he didn’t mention it again because the case became Famous. It was one of the first interviews. He kept saying, after he showed his video – the cops kept yelling – “Drop the Knife – Drop the Knife”.
1 -“these protesters were threatening to take it to the suburbs. If you don’t take it seriously it’ll happen in your neighborhood”nL
They took it already. Some group decided to Go to Oak Park, IL to demonstrate by the Mayor’s house.
They damaged his property. Because they were having a discussion about Defunding their PD.
I know just like in Medicine – if you don’t Cut out the Whole Tumor it will continue to spread.
The Anarachy is well-rooted already here in the US!
At Least the Sheriffs around the counties, next to Portland, realize this.
They refuse to police Portland because once s/o is arrested the Lib Gov. Doesn’t Prosecute!nOmesorah -“Who is taking away law abiding citizens? Hmmm. Must be an unmarked van in Portland.”
This is one case. There are many States like California, that severely Limit Gun ownership.
“Who is saying no more cops? Hmmmm. Must be those calling for The National Guard.”
What Kind of Dream World are you Living in?!?
NYC just removed 1 Billion from the Cops Budget.
In Minneapolis, they want to get rid of PD – that we all call PD!“The idea of ‘Defund’ is to end up with a more potent police force.”
What a Lie!
I just posted what it is.RE -“Dr. Atlas wants to create heard immunity which to be effective might kill around 2 million people.”
Are you and the rest of the Libs that post here gonna Volunteer?!?
nOmesorah -“So you prefer a police state to anarchy.”
Actually, I’ve already told you what I preferred in a different Topic.
Are you becoming Senile?!?
I’ll repeat it because you don’t remember.
I think I posted this in the “Defund Police” topic:
I prefer going back to the Wild Wild West.
You Libs think – take away Law-abiding Citizens Guns & No More Cops.
That’s fine with me, but I’m going to Defend Myself.We are going to Even the Playing Field.
That’s why this Election – Trump will Win in a Landslide!GH -“However, its my belief, perhaps shared by a few others here, that Trump has done more than any other President to deliberately fan the flames of racial hatred and enable white supremacy than any other President in history.”
Oh Really?!?
Your TDS is getting Much Worse.
I’m Not going to argue your Stupidity, but I’m just Curious – do you think Trump is for Slavery?
If Not, then how could he Worse than Every Pres. before Lincoln?!?CE -“The officers repeatedly tall him to drop the knife, and when he refuses draw their guns.”
When he refused – give him half a second & then Shoot him.
The cops let him run around the car & try to enter it – with 3 kids in it.
The Cops did a Lousy Job!
But after Milwaukee, they care more about their jobs then s/o’s Life.nOmesorah – “Did he have the police officer in a chokehold? Sorry headlock.”
IDK or Care.
“Where was White first interviewed? More important, who first reported that he heard ‘drop the knife’? Not CNN. Not Milwaukee Independent. I could not hear it on the video, so how did he hear it?”
I saw an interview with White on You Tube.
IDK who posted it; maybe White himself.Look – don’t go to the Media for News. A lot of people call it Fake News!
nOmesorah -“What is the surveillance being carried out in major cities on American citizens? Who is the spokesperson for the federal agents in Portland and Seattle? What are Border and Customs agents doing there? And who’s decision was all this?”
IDK. But I’m sure you will get all the answers that you seek after the Anarchy stops.
Some things in Life comes first.nOmesorah – “The witness who recorded the shooting, 22-year-old Raysean White, has said he hadn’t seen a knife in Blake’s hand, but that he heard the officers yell to him, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!”
Forget your contradictions, when cops tell you Drop the knife and you don’t – you’ll get shot.
BTW, White said that when he was first interviewed.“that a knife was recovered from the driver’s side floorboard of Blake’s car”
Well Mr. Sleuth – that’s what happens when you get shot – you End up Dropping the Knife!
Now imagine, if he would have listened right away – Perhaps he wouldn’t have Gotten Shot?!?huju -“President-elect Biden announces his administration will investigate this in late January.”
There will be No President Biden.
But you LIBS keep Dreaming!nOmesorah -“The current president has not demonstrated that he is able to accomplish this mission.”
And even so, he’ll win this next election!
What most people understand, Not like the Libs, you can’t just let the Anachrists do what they want.
Biden never learnt – if you give them a finger – they want a hand.
If you give them a hand – they want an arm. And so on & on!GH -“and his likely defeat in November will restore some semblance of “normality” in our country.”
Mr. Lib – Keep Dreaming!
Even CNN is saying that Trump could win.
As a matter of fact, Don Lemon is begging Biden to stop hiding.
The Truth is Trump will probably do better than he did Against Clinton!RE -“health, government is there to provide help as a springboard to ones losing their jobs because of health or economic conditions as charity is a temporary help…”
I wasn’t talking about this year – with Covid19.
There are a lot of young people that don’t work.
It’s very common in the inner cities.
From above:
“And it’s mainly the DemonCrats Fault for all their HandOuts – that doesn’t give people an Incentive to Work!
WORK Has become a Four-Letter Word!”RE -“health, giving charity is an incentive not the work and let others give. You are as uncaring as Trump.”
No one Mentioned charity.
Learn how to follow a convo.nOmesorah -“Was the knife the issue? (See above.) How do you know they told him to drop the knife? Why is holding a knife such a big deal? I have a knife right now. ”
Your posts are getting childish.
When a cop tells you to “Drop the Knife” and you don’t – they will restrain you & there is the possibility of you getting Shot.
I Sure hope Crump is getting Paid for his time, because Defending this Perp is a waste of Time!
He’s guilty even though – he’s Black and Black Lives Matter.nOmesorah -“It has calmed a great deal since the OSP started guarding the courthouse.”
Learn to speak the TRUTH!
It has calmed down around the Courthouse, but they still have Riots elsewhere!“The feds are still in the city.”
Just like in Every City. Portland can’t succeed from the USA.
“This little chat was about Trump helping solve the issue. The point that it is not his fault, concedes that he is not the man for the job.”
You don’t Know what you’re Talking About!
The riots have Nothing to do with him, no matter how many times you Repeat it!nOmesorah -“Was he the subject of the call?”
A family member called 911 asking for help with this fellow.
“And did the police know who he was?”
It’s irrevelant.
“He seems to be holding an open pocket knife in his hand on the way to the car. A bit confusing.”
It seems either you’re the One that’s Confused or Your trying to confuse e/o in the CR.
When s/o calls 911 & police respond – they evaluate the situation.
They found a Guy carrying a Knife (doesn’t matter the size).
They ordered him to Drop the Knife. He didn’t. He proceded to open the car & then was shot.
IMHO, they should have shot him right away – when he Didn’t Listen to the Lawful Order of “Drop the Knife”!nOmesorah -“The rioting in Portland today, is in response to the Feds being there. Maybe Trump could be charged with inciting a riot.”
You now have proved to e/o in the CR, that your a Lib.
Since the Beginning of Aug., basically the Feds have left.
That didn’t stop all the riots.
Now they are attacking the Oregon State Police.When are YOU Libs gonna admit – it’s Not Trumps fault?
This country is Full of Spoiled People.
And it’s mainly the DemonCrats Fault for all their HandOuts – that doesn’t give people an Incentive to Work!
WORK Has become a Four-Letter Word!JJ -“he could have been alive. He didnt and there is one less thug.”
He’s still Alive.
The cops are Too scared to do their Jobs nowadays.
I wrote this Above – “They should have shot him Right away – Not wait for him to try to escape in his car”.nOmesorah -“would leave you stuck with the point that Trump is not calming the masses today.”
Of course he’s Not calming them!
He’s too scared to speak their Language.
I’ll give you an Example:
In Portland, there have been Nightly Riots since the Death of Floyd.
I’m not saying that you have to act like them right away, but there is a Limit.
So first – you do the Tear Gas & the Flash Bangs.
So they keep coming back again. So that didn’t work.
The Next step is Rubber Bullets. If they keep coming back to riot, then you go even Further.
Possibly Live Fire.
To be clear – I’m talking about Riots, Not demonstrations. So don’t bring in the NG Shooting in the 70’s.
NO ONE is Above the Law – Not the Left or the Right!nOmesorah -“Any bystander that wanted to get involved could have killed theses cops in an instant. Like, if the fellow who videoed it would have had a gun.”
Exactly. Being a cop is a dangerous job! You need eyes in the back of your head.
You must take care of the immediate problem – first.
That means taking care of the Guy with the Knife.
Once he’s in a police car & they feel it’s a volatile situation or could become one – sometimes the best thing to do is to leave the Area!nOmesorah -“There is enough to go on for those who want to use HCQ + zinc.”
Not according to some States.
So we need at least that requirement to have insurance coverage in all States and territories.
So to not be able to get Zinc & HCQ – is something that’s beyond me! They obviously don’t care about Lives. Even if it’s only one. But the Truth is – it could’ve Saved many Lives!nOmesorah -“Being that it has not shown the promise of being a ‘miracle drug’, there should not be a special emphasis on trying to see just how much this treatment can do.”
You sure do Not know much about the practice of Medicine! When do we wait for Miracle Drugs?
Is there a cure for cancer?“it is still not enough to soften the overall impact of the pandemic.”
I don’t care about softening the impact, but about saving Lives!
“Additionally, a treatment that is intended within four days will not help much as most patients are not being tracked from the very beginning.”
You start tracking them when they come for Medical Care. This is around four days from the onset of symptoms.
“As it stands now, if a doctor feels comfortable prescribing this treatment, he can do so. Dr. Fauci is not saying that it should not be prescribed. It would require the presiding physician’s intuition as to whether it should be given, and how it should be given. There is no way to regulate intuition. And for sure there is no reason to give it randomly (Such as after four days.)”
Unfortunately, some of the States have Not allowed prescriptions for Covid19.
So the Gov. should allow it for Emergency Use – So insurances will Cover it.“instead of medications that have fared well in more controlled studies”
Please name me Meds that have Fared Well at the beginning of this Pandemic?
Zinc and HCQ has been advocated at the Beginning.nOmesorah -“He is not their biggest possible threat.”
Pray tell – what is?
“On the way to the car the police are marching behind him like it is a parade. If it is so dangerous to reach into a car, or such criminal activity to resist arrest, why did they not do something before he got to the car door?”
This I agree with.
Once a Perp has a weapon – here it was a knife – and the Cops kept Yelling – “Put the Knife Down”.
You surely don’t Let him move until he complies with the ORDER!The whole country was one Unit when were attacked on 9/11.
Now that Politics are involved, we Lose our Senses of Right and Wrong!
Trump still believes in Doing What’s RIGHT!
The Democrats only believe in the PC!nOmesorah -“They should have been aware of what was going on around them”
They were! That’s why they said – Drop the Knife.
They should have shot him Right away – Not wait for him to try to escape in his car.Oh Charlie, -“Vote by mail is much more secure because you have the actual ballots. Similarly the scan ballots we use in NY are much more secure than the all electronic systems.
There was really nothing wrong with the old mechanical lever voting machines that were used in NYC until about a decade ago”So Let them go back to that.
But mailing them in – even the Dead people can vote by their Relatives!nOmesorah -“You never encourage people to act orderly when they are within the law.”
Where did you get that from?
nOmesorah -“How much of an impact can one treatment have on this pandemic?”
IDK. Acc. to Zelenco, it could be in the high 90%.
But even if it’s 10% improvement – this could have saved thousands of lives!“If I understood Dr. Fauci correctly, he does not have a problem with unproven treatments. His point is, that unless a treatment has shown promise of being exceptionally effective, it is a waste of time and resources to keep researching it, as opposed to looking for more alternatives.”
He doesn’t tell the Truth.
First of all, Zinc + HCQ isn’t very costly.
2nd of all, I posted this above -“the Gov. does Primary Care, like in the Armed Forces, so why DON’T they do a Radomized Study? That means half are treated & half Not with Zinc & HCQ?
You have to do it within 4 days of onset of symptoms – so sometimes you’ll treat pts. before you know the Lab results. If you treat the pt. & you get a negative result – stop the treatment & don’t include that pt. in the Study”.
If they did this in the beginning of the Pandemic & it worked, Thousands upon thousands would be Alive Today!GH & Jackk and Other Libs here:
The US of A – has become a society of Gang Rules, Not one of Law & Justice!
The Libs have made this country Worse Than China or Russia.
There is a Video of the incident, I think from a Black guy, he shot the video & he testified that the Cops kept Yelling – “Put the Knife Down”.
So if you believe the Guy, it was a justified Shooting.
The Prob is – if a guy has a knife and is ordered to put it down – Give him a half a second to comply – Then Shoot! It was Stupidity to Let the Perp enter his car.
It’s because the Cops are afraid of doing their Job, because Half the country doesn’t believe in Law & Order anymore!RE -“health, isn’t what you are saying a lie?”
I’m Not the Liar here.
“Biden was advocating at the convention specially ‘MADE IN AMERICA’.”
These Lying DemonCrats – for 47 years – What has Biden done for the US?
How could anything be MADE IN AMERICA?
This country under the Democrats have Demolished Manufacturing in the US.
It’s Only Trump that has Restored some of it!
No one wants to Produce anything in the US, due to High Taxes.nOmesorah -“Either way, your point is still caught in the same bind.”
Now what Bind is that?!?
Do you really think this Fauci guy is G-d?
I can’t criticize him?!?
After all – the US has the Most Deaths Worldwide.RE -“health, you want anarchy in corporations behavior, vote for Trump.”
If You don’t WANT Made in America, But Just Made in CHINA – Vote Biden!!!!
nOmesorah -“he was” Trump? Right about what? The pandemic?”
That’s right. Just he promoted HCQ plain, without Zinc.
You need both, within a few days of symptoms starting!““Loser in the NIH” If you say so…
It just proves what a nobody he really is.”I wasn’t talking about his knowledge or awards, but his lackadaisical attitude when it comes to Covid19!
When a pandemic is here – you don’t have the luxury to wait for proper studies!Are you the Kidney doc that posts here?
What does Nephro know about ID?
I’ve had fights with so-called ID docs & I’ve been proven right.nOmesorah -“I notice a contradiction. If Obama was starting a race war, you cannot say there was not much fighting.”
You obviously didn’t read my post!
What does Wanted mean? -“He wanted a Race War!”