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Tralala- It sounds like you go to GP. Does your doctor see pts. with sore throats, ear infections, etc…? If he does he is a GP. Or does he just see pts. with diabetes, thyroid problems, things like this?
Sam -I don’t get what you’re saying.
Tralala- Ever hear of the vegetable section in the supermarket? I personally like tomatos and lettuce.
Tralala -You must be kidding -Did you think I was a mind reader?! You didn’t give a history, but then you ask how to get your sugar down?! Obviously, you need to increase your insulin. You probably know there are many types of insulin. Do you see an endocrinologist or are you managed by a Internist? If you see an endo, time to get a new one; if you see a GP, time to go to an endo!
Clearheaded- In order to respond with a clear head, you must read the post first. Again, I was talking about people who like to Drey in malls or walk up and down streets- “Window Shopping”. They left their house without a definite purpose of- I need to buy “X” now- for whatever. Also, I didn’t imply it, I outright said it. “Call a spade, a spade.”
They can enjoy what they eat. I was responding to your statement.
There are plenty of foods which are low fat and low carbs and are very enjoyable!
Faywee -No where in my post did I even attempt to define feminism.
I obviously struck a chord with my words with you. Also, you conviently left out what I wrote- “They routinely go out to malls and other shopping areas even if they really don’t need to buy something.” Femininity has nothing to do with Feminism!
Sam -I believe the study without looking it up. Fat gives more energy than any other food. But unfortunately, a lot of High Fat is dangerous!
Tralala -it should be ideally <6. This will be very difficult to attain. Maybe you should consider taking insulin s.c. After you have the kid, then you can go on an oral medication regimen.
Sam -they might not be enjoying themselves, but at least they are healthy.
Nowadays no one under 25 should drive around mountainous areas, unless there is another >25 driver in the car. <25 doesn’t have enough experience driving in all sorts of conditions. Sorry to rain on your parade, but better safe than sorry. I know I will get a lot of flack for this, but that is because we have very little responsibility in our generation.
Tralala -What’s your HgbA1c now?
SJS in NYC -The way you apply your idea of feminism, it sounds like it is within the realm of torah. Buy you CAN NOT extrapolate your life to others. Many frum women who wouldn’t even consider themselves feminists, who live ultra-yeshivish communities, do the following: They routinely go out to malls and other shopping areas even if they really don’t need to buy something. They routinely go out with friends, to restaurants, malls, etc., just to hang out. Of course they must get dressed up for these excursions like they are going to a chasunah. Now, I’m not talking about the woman who needs to do this once in awhile to take a break from the stresses of life. I’m talking about ROUTINELY! Where did this come from -that this should be taking place in the frum community? My only answer is the influence of the goyim via what the world calls FEMINISM!
How old was Dr. Atkin when he died?
To sam -Atkin’s diet was so great -he lived a very “long” life. No one here said eat high carb & low fat. It was posted -Low carb & low fat.
HOT -I was being faceitous. One of our main goals is to prevent disease.
I googled myself previously and I came up in some newspapers -due to some lawsuits. Why is this even a topic?
To all the health “know it alls”; -I’m really getting tired of trying to convince you to be healthy. I actually make money when people are sick, so I’m not doing this for myself. From Reuters:
” WASHINGTON – The high-fat Atkins diet can cause long-term damage to blood vessels, as well as some of the inflammation linked with heart and artery disease, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.
In contrast, low-fat regimens such as the South Beach and Ornish diets lowered cholesterol and appeared to benefit artery function, they said.
“It really is the Atkins diet that is the worst,” Dr. Michael Miller, director of preventive cardiology at the University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore, said in a telephone interview.
“The Atkins diet caused the LDL levels to go up by about 7 percent, whereas in the Ornish and South Beach diets … they went down 7 to 10 percent.”
Low density lipoprotein or LDL is the “bad” cholesterol that clogs blood vessels.
Various researchers have tested the benefits of the popular diets and reached wildly differing conclusions. Miller designed what he said was a unique approach — to see how people fared once they stopped losing weight on any of the diets.
Studies show that people usually lose weight rapidly on any diet if they follow it properly and the weight loss itself can cause cholesterol to plummet.
“When you lose weight everything looks good but after a while you plateau and you hit a maintenance stage,” said Miller, who presented his findings to a meeting of the American Heart Association in Orlando, Florida.
His team studied 18 people, each of whom completed a full month on each of the three diets. They were carefully monitored to ensure that they did not lose weight.
The Atkins diet was set to deliver 50 percent of calories as fat, the South Beach was 30 percent fat and the Ornish diet, designed by nutritionist Dr. Dean Ornish, was 10 percent fat.
While on each diet the volunteers were tested for levels of blood fats, including cholesterol and markers for inflammation.
The researchers used ultrasound scans to measure the flexibility and dilation of blood vessels and measured proteins in the blood that can indicate inflammation.
“Some markers of inflammation were increased by as much as 30 to 40 percent during the Atkins phase, whereas during the South Beach and Ornish phases, the markers either were stable or went down, some by as much as 15 to 20 percent,” Miller said.
Most studies have shown that diets that stress vegetables, low-fat sources of protein such as beans and legumes, and whole grains provide the best long-term weight loss. Many low-fat diets allow processed carbohydrates such as white flour, which have also been shown to be unhealthy, experts agree.
“We don’t recommend the Atkins diet,” Miller said. “Why not start out with a diet that will be healthier for you in the long run after weight loss?” “
Maybe you really don’t know everything about health, just because you read something on some natural health site or blog!
From the Mayo clinic: “Weight loss
Health benefits
The claim: The Atkins diet claims that it can prevent or improve serious health conditions, such as diabetes, high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease. Atkins also claims that digestive problems such as heartburn, gallstones, gas and bloating will improve when you greatly reduce carbohydrate consumption.
Exercise
The claim: The Atkins diet says that exercise is a vital part of its approach. It also says exercise is important to maintaining weight loss and achieving other health benefits. And it disputes any notion that you can do the Atkins diet successfully without exercise.
The reality: Physical activity and exercise help you burn more calories, aiding weight loss. Regular physical activity is also vital to prevent regaining the weight you’ve lost and, of course, provides numerous health benefits. Although the Atkins diet says exercise is important, it doesn’t specify how much you need. Healthy adults typically need at least 30 minutes of physical activity a day, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. However, if you’re obese or you want to lose weight, you may need to increase your activity.
Risks
It’s not known with certainty what risks, if any, the Atkins diet may pose to your health, especially over the long term.
Some health experts believe that eating a large amount of fat and protein from animal sources, as allowed on the Atkins diet, can increase your risk of heart disease or some cancers. However, it’s not known what risks, if any, the Atkins diet may pose over the long term because most of the studies about it have lasted for a year or less.
In addition, the Atkins diet isn’t appropriate for everyone. For example, Atkins warns that people with severe kidney disease should not follow the diet. It also cautions that the weight-loss phases of the diet aren’t suitable for women who are pregnant or nursing. The Atkins diet recommends that you consult your doctor before starting the diet, especially if you have diabetes or gout or take diuretics, insulin or oral diabetes medications.
There are other risks associated with any commercial weight-loss diet:
?If you skip a face-to-face evaluation with your health care provider, you may be unaware of important medical concerns.
?The diet isn’t tailored to your specific situation, including your weight-loss goals and any health conditions you might have.
?A very restrictive menu may cause you to give up on your weight-loss goals.
?You may not get enough fiber on low-carb diets, which may increase your risk of constipation, certain kinds of cancer and other digestive problems.
?Unless you take a multivitamin or nutritional supplement, you may be at risk of certain nutritional deficiencies.”
Sam -Here is the AHA statement: “The AHA advisory, published in the association’s respected journal Circulation, studied existing research and the diets themselves. It concluded that there’s no proof these diets are effective for long-term weight loss and warned that they may cause potential health risks for those who follow them for more than a short time. In addition to the Atkins diet, the advisory panel reviewed the Zone, Protein Power, Sugar Busters and Stillman diets.”
But I guess you and your few friends, know more than many, many medical professionals. BTW, do you know what triglycerides (fat) does to your arteries? It clogges them up and causes heart disease and strokes.
All R’ Moshe said was “Talmid Chochum”. I have my criteria what that means. I don’t expect you to see things from someone else’s point of view. If you want I can play devil’s advocate -anyone who ever learnt in a yeshiva is a “Talmid chochum”. This is the reason that there is so much machlokes in Klal Yisroel -everyone has to be right in their shitta. It’s not enough to say “Aylo V’alo Divrei Elokim Chaim”. If you dare to disagree with me -you are Not in the “Torah camp”. So if you want to say your Rosh Yeshiva is “Daas Torah”, fine. But don’t make out a posek who doesn’t feel that way, isn’t allowed to have their own opinion. Please review the Mishna in Avos about Machlokes.
Trying my best- It is possible R’ Moshe meant at least two of the three (not emigrated from Russia). The Shulchan Aruch has similar criteria for a Yomim Norayim Chazan. So your sarcastic answer is “up-geshlogged”. I pretty sure you and R’ Moshe don’t have the same criteria of the definition of “Talmid Chochum”. Everyone thinks their Rabbi/Rosh Yeshiva is “Daas Torah”; there is nothing wrong with this, but to invoke this Teshuva to say anybody who disagrees with MY philosophy is outside the “Torah Camp”, is misusing & misinterpreting it.
Trying my best -What I was trying to explain – was that perhaps when R’ Moshe says “Talmid Chochom”, he didn’t mean anybody who is a talmid chochom, but rather a talmid chochom similar to himself -one is a talmid chochom and a poisek and of course a “Godol”. Your definition of “Talmid Chochom” is too broad. Some people consider anybody learning in Yeshiva or Kollel a “Talmid Chochom”. Acc. to them, it would come out anybody not listening to a Kollel guy’s political view, isn’t within the “Torah camp”.
Unfortunately, some people think that what ever a Rosh Yeshiva says is Daas Torah. Even if the Rosh Yeshiva is really a Godol doesn’t make everything he says Daas Torah. R’ Moshe that was quoted in the opening paragraph was probably talking about someone like himself. He was a godol b’torah and more significantly to us he was a Poisek. If a Poisek who’s also a Godol says something political, then people have to listen- this is true Daas Torah. If a godol (eg. Rosh Yeshiva), says something political this doesn’t automatically become Daas Torah, just like if he would pasken a shaila, it wouldn’t automatically become Halacha. The same is true vice-versa, if your local Poisek who you call just to find out your basic halachos, would say something political, doesn’t make this Daas Torah. The poisek probably doesn’t have the depth and knowledge of the torah to make everything he says Daas Torah. In every generation that Hashem created, he gave us the seichel to discern what is right or wrong; we must use it and decide ourselves how to act.
Trying my best- Try your best to not judge up another Jew unless you’re in his shoes. Maybe he feels he is doing his job -being overly friendly. If someone has a problem with his behavior, she should tell him. If she feels uncomfortable, she can bring her husband and he can tell him, but she has to be there. There is no excuse to bring this right now to a Rav or to the owner. At this stage without confronting him, it’s not even L”H, it’s pure Motzay Shem Rah!
Sam -Go to AHA’s website. They have plenty to say about a high fat diet. Let me know what you find out.
Chance -I’m not going into it with you -over and over; I don’t have the time. Shomer Pissayim Hashem. Please take out some science books from the library and maybe you can begin to understand what I’m talking about. Vitamins aren’t medicine and medicines do change the molecular problem(s).
Maybe you should dan l’caf zecus- Maybe he thinks he is just being friendly. Maybe someone should tell him that not everybody likes shmoozing with their store manager.
Tell them the “guy” on the net is in the medical field. Unless they are one of those few cases of genetic abnormalities it can be lowered to within normal ranges.
HOT- why don’t you ask them? The pts. I’ve seen are controlled- almost every single one.
HOT- we almost always lower the cholesterol with meds to within normal ranges.
HOT – my point wasn’t that you’re lying, just that it’s not common!
It’s also not true about mumps. Patient zero from England was not vaccinated, even though everyone else was. The vaccine was only meant to work with “herd” immunity. Once there was a real case, that was destroyed. Maybe patient zero’s family (and people like them) should pay the companies to develop stonger vaccines.
Charlie -get off “the yeshiva world” and get back to work. Everyone knows someone who is/was affected by AD.
HOT -I don’t know of any cases were meds were increased and they kept using it, even though they weren’t working. I don’t know of any policies official or not regarding keeping pts. “doped up”. As far as infections are concerened, you are correct, but who says that it’s the fault of the medical personnel? When a pt. or visitor comes to a hospital, they don’t come alone, they come with all their germs. And when they leave, the germs don’t leave with them. The hospitals do a good job as they can, getting rid of these germs, but it’s not foolproof. As far amputating wrong limbs and other crazy stories, the only cases I ever heard about was 1 in a million that was in the newspapers, but otherwise I never heard of any such stories.
HOT – I agree. The gov. should do more to get rid of the bad apple doctors. Chiropractors and alternative medicine in general, has become more accepted amongst mainstream medicine. They now have a chapter in certain medical books discussing alternative medicine- what works, what doesn’t. As far as cholesterol, the first thing the clinician does is tell you to exercise and diet (and if you want -to take any natural supplement), they only prescribe meds after this doesn’t work or the pt. refuses to make changes. Secondly, we prescribe meds on this basic theory of benefit outweighs the risk. If some individual’s reaction makes the risk outweigh the benefit, then the med is stopped.
Hereorthere: Like I said, the goal of medicine is to cure. Umpteen years ago they didn’t get sick- maybe they had better nutrition. Whatever the case, this doesn’t work nowadays. Most primary care clinicians will send you first to the Chiropractor before he sends you to the surgeon. The reason they never used to send to the chiropractor was because there were plenty of cases of permanent disability/paralysis due to their care. Nowadays, they have have improved their skills. No one tells anybody to seek medical care before they have tried home care. There are plenty of books written on this subject that are accepted by mainstream medicine.
Chance -nobody gives me a dime. So who paid you to brainwash you?
You can get all excited and whatever, but the truth is a lot of disease can be cured or controlled by medication. It might be true that if people were nutrious in the first place, they wouldn’t have gotten sick. But, once they are sick- no natural product will cure them only medicine. If we lived in a perfect world there wouldn’t be sickness and everyone would only eat what their body needed. But, we don’t, do we? The medical science has made great strives in helping people live longer. Not that long ago, people had to retire at 65 because they didn’t live much past that. If natural products helped people much more than medicine, we wouldn’t have seen an increase in the life span. After all, natural products have been around since creation.
Im – I’m glad in shul, but what about at home, on the phone, etc.?
OOmis -It’s funny how people in our generation can’t apply the torah concept of “Don’t look at the outside of the vessel, but what’s in it”. A lot of people only judge up others the way they dress; but if you dress properly and you have a foul mouth, then they think you’re a big tzaddik/tzadaykes!
Im -I do! It seems you can only dish it out, but you can’t take it! I didn’t make up this observation of who I always see speaking Loshon Horah!
Chance -We have done the research. No, we don’t believe one quack who is interested in selling whatever, so he presents regular medicine in a bad light. My challenge to you is -why don’t you do real research? If you do, you will see that science is on the side of vaccines and medications for disorders like cholesterol.
Just going to all these health/nutrition/homepathic sites doesn’t constitute REAL research.
Hereorthere -You are missing a basic concept of Dan L’caf Z’cus. Most docs are against Obamacare. Obama was booed at the AMA convention. The leaders of the AMA were against Obamacare, but the gov. put pressure and twisted their arm to come out publically for it. They do this in other countries -where they basically force every political org. to agree with gov. policy. As far as your bad experiences, I’ve also had a few. All a human can do is make histadlus, but Hashem has the final say. But, by and large, most medical professionals are competent, good people.
Also, I don’t know what you are talking about when you say cure for Alzheimers, please fill us in -I’ve never heard of any!
QA -If you’re addicted to it, it’s hard to shut it off & relax.
Get rid of your internet service and drink warm milk.
There is nothing wrong with being someach on R’ Moshe. All Chadisshe poskim hold it’s better to only drink C”Y including Rav Gornish (see I know how to spell his name). R’ Moshe didn’t hold that way.
Chance -Why do you say vaccines are poison? Please don’t tell me the autistic bubba meisa again. Also, Big Pharm doesn’t teach med students and they don’t own any medical schools.
Here or there -While I’ll agree that about 5% of medical professionals are arrogant and incompetent, please don’t paint the rest of us that way because you fell into one of those 5%!
To sam,
You’re behind the times- they lowered the amt. of carbs on the Food Pyramid. Your diet or Atkin’s is dangerous.
Chance- please take a science book out of the library and read about how drugs work. I already told you they don’t suppress symptoms. This isn’t pseudoscience like Homeopathy. BTW, you keep saying how evil Big Pharm is -I’d like to know who in the business world isn’t greedy? Also, even though acidofilus is a good bacteria, it won’t get rid of an infection once it’s there. If your niece gets over the infection without creams or meds, it’s because her immune system fought it off. It won’t make the slightest difference if she is given acidofilus or not.
You didn’t answer my question -what should people eat everyday? Like for breakfast, lunch and supper.
It’s not flooded, but it’s also not #1 on the labor dept’s list on most needed jobs. Google the list, if you want a career in something that’s very high in demand. As a matter of fact, this country is growing way too fast, due to immigration (legal or not) and reproduction; the 125 medical schools here, can’t produce enough doctors to handle the population. So since there will be more demand for medical practioners and there aren’t enough doctors, Nurse Practioners & PA’s will fill in the gap.
Bozo -let me get this straight -you’re only going to PA school now if someone will guarantee you a job in 4-6 years?!
YWM -80 -Never heard of Stillman. But, I told you -I’m in the medical field, not nutrition.