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Even though it’s mutter to say -“It’s not my seat” for Sholom; I don’t see a problem here telling the person -Yes, it is my seat, but please don’t get up -I’ll sit over here. It’s not embarassing for him to know he sat in someone else’s seat, because he had no way of knowing. It might be embarassing if you decide to chuck him out.
SJS -All you do is post, but you don’t read anyone’s comments. Who said they gave her custody, actually we have joint custody. Also, who said I don’t want to support my children? I said if the Goyishe Courts impinge on my religious rights -they shouldn’t force me to pay child support. What happenned to my rights or freedom? Are you one of those who believe that anyone who practices religion shouldn’t have any rights, only people who are atheists deserve rights? You sound like my ex-wife.
How did your friend’s company know that at the time of hiring? They couldn’t; so they hired her and then let her look around for someone to switch with. The company is required to try; if they don’t that’s illegal discrimination.
” You ask society to not discriminate against you when you apply for a job.”
I ask, but they do it anyway.
“Denying two people legal rights of partnership solely based on their gender should be illegal. Whether or not I think its immoral.
We don’t legislate morality – if we did, we would force veganism on everyone because PETA says so.”
I’m assuming that one follows the other -that it should be illegal because we don’t legislate morality. I tried to give you an argument before that it makes a difference to the survival of the world, but I guess that argument can only be accepted by believers. So even if you don’t believe in Hashem & Torah, there is a such a thing as legislating morality. You obviously have never taken a philosophy course in college. If you would have you would have learned -most societies base their laws on morality. To give but one example from the book -Eskimos believe in infantcide. They think that they should do it, but we Americans outlawed it because we have different moral philosophies than them. Also, your proof from PETA, just goes to show how corrupt the liberal mind set is. Who says it’s immoral to kill and eat animals? Most Americans believe it’s moral and just, and have believed this since the beginning of the exsistence of the USA.
“A gay marriage really doesn’t change anything.”
For me, who believes in the word of Chazal, that was quoted previously, it changes the whole world. We drop down to a new level of Tumah. This level can bring about the destruction of the whole world. Oh, but excuse me, this isn’t as important as Gay people’s rights!
Wiy -You didn’t answer my question. There is an Inyan to be melamud zecus on people, instead of Pasuling everyone. So why don’t you ask your 2 Rabbonim if they can come up with a limud zecus?
CF -call your Doc. This isn’t a simple general medical question!
WIY -Acc. to you 99% of people don’t follow this Halacha, so why don’t you ask your 2 Rabbonim if they can come up with a limud zecus? You obviously disagree with the Rov I quoted, so how could 99% of people be avaryawnim? Maybe you should pose this Shailah to them?
SJS –
“Heath, you are obligated by halacha to give them a Jewish education. That doesn’t mean a Yeshiva education. That means you should apply for joint custody and whenever you are granted time with them, infuse them with chinuch. And chinuch doesn’t mean necessarily sitting a learning inside – it could mean anything from basics like Jewish thought/philosophy to how to make a bracha.”
True, but if the Court doesn’t let me (they impinge on my rights)give them the type of chinuch I want, then I shouldn’t be obligated to pay child support. You seem to have no problem when goyim step all over my religious rights, as long as they don’t step on the rights of Gays.
“And yes, you are obligated to feed your children. L’halacha. Why would you want them to starve??”
They wouldn’t starve! Stop with trying to play on people’s emotions!
“Reasonable accomodation doesn’t mean having to overturn everything to accomodate you if they can. It means reasonable. Like my friend who trades her saturday shifts with a Catholic woman for her sunday shifts. She gets Shabbos off, her coworker gets Sunday off. It works well for each of them.”
I know the law quite well. So how did your friend communicate with her coworker before she was hired to work out the switch? Telopathy?
“As to two men – they can’t make a legal contract? How many business men do you know? How is a marriage contract (in American law) really different from a business contract?”
Don’t confuse the issue! The problem isn’t the contract. The problem is- (if you would have read the previous page,) that Hashem doesn’t take retribution on these people until they add insult to injury. Once they top off their Toieva lifestyle with official marriage, then Hashem says enough is enough -time to destroy them and their enablers!
WIY -“One cant fabricate Heteirim” – I didn’t fabricate anything -the Rov did. That’s called Psak. Also, don’t make up that the Rov said- “you and your Rabbi decided NOBODY HAS KAVANA PERIOD!” Maybe he just holds that we don’t have enough Kavana that requires us to keep this Halacha! You seem to Capitalize in your last post -are you SCREAMING? Don’t get unhinged because someone who is a Poisek doesn’t agree with you!
Shouldn’t be here –You should be here! I think you’re the first poster who somewhat agreed with me.
SJS -“I can’t imagine a person wouldn’t want to help support their children. As their biological parent, you don’t think you have responsibility to feed, cloth, shelter and educate them?”
Like you said “educate”, if the Court doesn’t allow me to give my kids a Jewish education, I shouldn’t have the responsibility of supporting them.
The companies could have accomodated me, just they claimed it was too hard, but the only thing they were able to prove was that they needed Sat. workers!
As far as Gay marriage, that is your mistake, they aren’t allowed to have contractual rights along with not doing their Toeiva. Hashem gets so angry, when they have have contractual rights, to bring destruction to the whole world. Is that what you want???
WIY – I didn’t say it, the Rov did. And I don’t think you actually discussed the Tzidodim with your Rov, like you claim. Stop with your nariskeit -why do we have to daven if we don’t have Kavana? You have to do Mitzvos even if you don’t have Kavana, even though some hold you’re not Yoitzay. Do you actually think the Shechina comes even when you don’t have Kavana? Maybe to you because the Shechina rests on a sick person.
Moq -Who are you to say which Rov has Daas Torah and which one doesn’t? You say the Rabbonim in Lakewood have and Rav Levin doesn’t. Are you a Godol or a Rov to Dan this up?
SJS in NYC- “A gay marriage has a lot less of an affect on society than an Orthodox Jew. Orthodox Jews need many dispensations to practice religion. A gay couple is just asking for the right of a contract. It does NOT infringe on your rights. They aren’t asking for religious leaders to perform any ceremonies.”
First of all, as far as child support -No, I don’t believe I should have to support children who are being pushed of the Derech of Hashem. Second of all, no one in American society has ever given me a dispensation to practice my religion. As a matter of fact, I was basically discriminated against- in a whole industry by refusing to work on Shabbos. This discrimination was upheld by the revered Supreme Court. Also, you can’t be a frum Jew and agree with Gay rights. See the previous page what Chazal said about Gay marriage. You show how some MO’s aren’t frum Jews. You have to put the Torah’s agenda before your liberal philosophy, not vice-versa!
FMcF & Moq -You’re right, I don’t know why Rav Shteinman said what he did -maybe he was misled. It’s irrevelant -most of Lakewood didn’t listen. So since you think most of Lakewood are Mevazeh Talmeidi Chachmim -you show the world how crum and wrong you are. Also, if Rav Levin went out and told people not to vote, he is at least better than most of Lakewood who voted for Christie. Shev v’al tasseh odif!
WIY -That’s why I said “I think” about the Aruch Hashulchan. I don’t care whether the Rov has a Mekor or not. Your post is one of the reasons I can’t post his name. And what you call Kavana isn’t Kavana. So that’s right no one nowadays has Kavana. And your Rov never paskened l’masseh -he just quoted the SA! If you want him to Pasken L’masseh -you have to give him the Tzidodim; Do we say this halacha applies even were people don’t have Kavana & do most people have kavana nowadays?
WIY – The Rov did pasken to my friend Halacha L’masseh. The part of the Shechina is simply -obviously if you don’t have kavana -there is no Shechina there. And the Rov you asked wasn’t paskening -he was just quoting the SA.
FMcF – You just proved you’re wrong, because most of Lakewood didn’t listen to the Vaad. Unless most of Lakewood are Mevazeh Talmidey Chachamim. The truth is sometimes a Godol will say something because of Negious or because of Shalom -so they could be wrong. In the case of the Vaad, he probably said it for Shalom, not because he Danned up the Tzidodim and came out L’halacha they were right. Lesson here is don’t try to manipulate Gedolim, so you can say you’re Joe Frum more than anyone else!
WIY -I heard Beshame a certain Poisek that this halacha doesn’t apply nowadays because of lack of Kavanah. I think he got this from the Aruch Hashulchan.
SjS- Even if I would agree to your liberal hypothesis that the US has no business outlawing immorality, why should I have to pay alimony, child support or health insurance (like you said), after divorce? I agreed to marry someone, this doesn’t mean I agreed to support them financially forever. Somehow, you don’t see this law as an obstrution to my freedom, only the fact that I’m restricted to marry my opposite gender. Almost all laws are resticting someone’s freedom, yet they exist.
allsgr8 -Since I put it in two general groups, it doesn’t even come close to revealing anything private.
You people have way too much time on your hands. I wish I had time to play games.
WellInformedYid –
“1. Allow some non Jewish politician to read off a speech you wrote which undermines our present Gedolim and says that they are manipulated as though they don’t have a mind of their own”
First of all who paskened for you that you don’t have to Dan Rav Levin L’caf Zecus? It’s a fact there have been many Gedolim that have been manipulated. I can give you one example -within the last couple a years a molester was just fired from his teaching (Rebbe) position. But yet- this took twenty years. Don’t you think perhaps some Gedolim/Rabbonim were manipulated? I don’t know if this is the case here, but before you speak bad about Rav Levin, shouldn’t you find out why he claims this?
“2. To act like you represent all of Orthodox Judaism and present us as hateful intolerant bigots.”
He claims he represents Torah, not some political org. that is affiliated with Orthodox Jews. So far, I haven’t heard him say something that the Torah doesn’t agree with. The Torah requires us to be “hateful intolerant bigots”, in regards to these people with alternative lifestyles, just we aren’t capable of doling out punishment.
“Do you know that Levin says that terrorist attacks happen because of gays?!”
Who says he wrong? I would add -and all the rest of aveiros that are done by everyone, including Jews & Goyim!
allsgr8 -put it this way -what level are you going to be on -practicing, eg. MD,DO,NP,PA or under them, eg. RN,LPN,NA,MA or something else?
Mybat- Your story has nothing to do with a blech. Anytime a pilot or a flame goes out, gas will keep coming. I don’t know about in Mexico, but here in the US they add something to the gas. The gas coming into your house is really odorless, but the company puts something in it for this reason. So when you smell gas, you are really smelling the additive.
WellInformedYid -How do you know he doesn’t care about the others? Dan him l’caf zecus. All these other aveiros those people aren’t looking for legitmacy from our gov. The toeiva community are looking to have legitimate legal status in this country right now.
theprof1 -“More fires have arisen from a blech than from a hotplate”; I like people who make up statistics for their own beliefs. If you have even one news article about blech fire dangers please post. I’m not talking about CO buildup. And then you make a joke about racing cars. Your interpretation of statistics is to say “I’m going to do whatever I want, no matter how dangerous it is”.
WellInformedYid- “The sheer magnitude of the Chillul Hashem he made is mind boggling…”
Let me explain you what chillul Hashem is -doing an aveirah in front of Jews. Rabbi Levin has not done that. While the supporters of anti-torah lifestyles -financially and politically is an aveirah. You can’t say what do you care if they sin, it’s not my business. You can say this if you have nothing to do with them(as long as they aren’t Jews). If you give them money or vote for them -it’s called “Messeyah l’day aveirah”.
Allsgr8 -They deleted it, but don’t ask me why. What is a health-science student?
As I have recommended in the post about the fire in Flatbush -I don’t recommend this item for Shabbos, due to a possible fire hazard. Use a stove with a blech (probably safe), an oven on keep warm or a crock pot. Use hot plates only during the week, like if you are making a simcha, not on Shabbos. The company can’t even be sued in this country for damages (technically they can, but you won’t get any money).
pb -another good site is emedicine health. They have many recommendations, including CBT (behavioral therapy). I would suggest in your case to take anti-anxiety agents and go for CBT. Before you do this you need to go to a sleep clinic. I know there are a few in Brooklyn -I think like two to three of them in Flatbush.
pb -Go to a web site like webmd and follow their recommendations for insomnia. If these don’t work go to a sleep clinic. I don’t recommend taking any medication for sleepnessless, even OTC products like Benadryl or Tylenol, without your doctor’s order.
pb -It’s available in an oral suspension.
Even though Paladino seems to have shittos similar to Torah haskafah, his speech and actions are somewhat troubling. Why can’t we have a candidate who talks normal and has Torah haskafa? Isn’t there such a person in the whole NY state that could run such a campaign?
Yiddishemishpacha -Even though Iy’h, I’ll be practicing medicine soon, I still recommend people not to come to their doctors for minor ailments until you try OTC or home remedies first. By all means if these don’t work come to us for an exam. We try to keep people out of our offices in order to keep medical care costs down.
pfru – Most canker sores are caused by viruses.
pb -Acyclovir only works for the Herpes virus; if it was a different virus then it might have been a placebo effect. It’s still available by prescription.
Everybody should take fire safety courses. I, as a fire safety instructor, leave on my oven on keep warm every Shabbos and Yom Tov. Never had a problem. There might be problems with leaving flames on (blech) or hot plates on. I think a fire under a blech is probably safe just for a Shabbos. I don’t know about hot plates even for a Shabbos. If you need hot food for Yom tov -use either a oven that is kept on or a crock pot.
Zicam spray works.
CF -I hate to tell you this -but go to the ER.
Sis Bear -“3rd of all if you anyways are talking about all the hardships that marrying a BT involves, why don’t you actually ask someone who is married to one and is involved themselves, etc.”
Maybe some of the posters here are actually talking from experience!
tzippy -while it’s true that mature people can handle problems in life more than younger people, it doesn’t mean that all will come out with flying colors. There is a reason EVERYONE says everyday -“Al tovoe leday nisayon”.
In certain situations, it’s sometimes better to be closed-minded.
Midwest – “and unlike other problems, such as bipolar disorder, eating disorders can literally kill.”
You are mistaken about Bipolar and death. This comes from medical info called ADAM:
“According to a long-term 2002 study, bipolar patients had higher mortality rates from suicide, heart problems, and death from all causes than those in the general population.”
Midwest -Thank you for posting. You just proved our point. If you marry a BT -they might do things which you as a FFB might feel uncomfortable doing, even if they have a heter to do it.
Popa-
1. Most simchas are in shul. You can’t enter their temples.
2. Maybe the BT will want to attend being they don’t think it’s ossur.
5. A lot of the relatives don’t care what they “do in Rome”.
What do you find troubling about this discussion?
I have a better idea, let them learn in NY; why come to Lakewood?
Sacrilege – That’s why it takes approx. 10 years to diagnose bi-polar (Manic-Depress), but narcissists will never go for help, because they don’t see anything wrong with them (unless they’re pressured by someone else). BTW, most bi-polar are compliant with their meds, once they know they have a problem. During one class I had, the teacher brought in the movie “Citizen Kane”, to demonstrate a narcissist. It was an eye-opener. A lot of people are baallay gaiva, but narcissists are the epitome!
mw13- This is who the “we” is:
“We may be too into looks, money, etc,”
OOmis – I agree with Aries. And in the case of the Doc. in the pizza shop, he might not even realized how loud he was. You should have said to him -Excuse me -could you please lower it or take this convo elsewhere? The patient on the other end has no idea who you are, -maybe you’re his secretary in his office, -maybe you’re his colleague and he’s in the hospital.
There used to be 5 Mems people looked for in a shidduch -1. Mamone (Money), 2. Maareh (Looks), 3. Mispacha (Family yichus), 4. Moach (Brains), and 5. Midos (Character traits). I guess now we are down to the first three or two.
No, I didn’t know her mother was frei, like the rest of her family. (They don’t live together.) So I didn’t ask – who will contibute to the financial support. I assumed because they agreed to have such a guy, that I would be supported. The shadchan who’s my relative knew that I wanted to learn (or should have known) and I figuered if noone was going to contribute, I would have been informed. I wasn’t looking for a set amount. I was young and naive and I trusted my relatives. BTW, another relative is the reason of my break-up (from my other parent’s side).