hashkafas hatorah

CHAIM87:

The fact that R Kook was pro zionism is no chiddush, he was always a standalone gadol in the matter as well as many other matters regarding the issue. Even though his hashkafos werent accepted by the bulk of frum, and for sure bnei torah, the gedolin were machshiv him for who he was. His hashkafos werent ever simple either, some things he said were taken too far by those with an agenda desperate to find a gadol to pin their shittos on to. These things that he said were came from someone who was living in the holy kabbilistic realms and wasnt necessarily in touch with many of the ramifications of the things he said. But even that aside, he was a daas yachid in hashkafah

Regarding R Elyashiv, just because he sat on a beis din that was goreis the state doesnt mean he supported it, he for sure didnt have a satmer outlook but that is true for most gedolim after the state was created. In fact it is the exact opposite, R Elyashiv had a clear chareidi approch to the state as is clear from his family(R chaim kanievsky, the steipler, chazon ish and r yitchok zilberstein – his son in law) confidents and letters. When R Elyashiv sat on the BD hagadol it was all chareide and yarei shamayim all qualified to judge properly. He even stepped dowm when a certain person was appointed av BD who didnt align w the chareidi world in psak and hashkafa.

Their is a common mistake made about R Shlomo Zalman, many think that just because he had a more warm and accepting mehalech that means he was a major zionist chas vishalom, just take a look at his sons and sons in law, R shmuel and R ezriel are strong anti zionist with r shmuel even nearing satmer territory, he raised his children with a charedi mentality and its clear from anyone who knew him that he had those hashkafos. I personally met R avigdor nevinsal shlita, his talmud muvhak and longtime chavrusa and he mentioned to me that the famous story about him telling bachurim to go to har hertzel isnt even confirmed as true, likewise r yitchok kolidetzky told me that the story is ” sheker vichazav” but even if the story was true that isnt a contradiction to chareide hashkafah.

I could go on about all the things you made up about gedolim but I’ll just mention a few proofs against you
r yitzchok kolidetzky also told me about the steiplers hashkafos agaist zionsim and look in his sefer “kreina diigrisa” and its abundantly clear.
he also mentioned to me that the letter from r ahron leib is forged, and similarly a big well known posek told me he spoke to him bisof yamav and that he lamented on the forged letter and put out letters correcting his possition, and this wasnt even on zionism but on non learning bachurim going to the army.
It is also true that as soon as the state was created R shraga feivel reacted closer to positve, however after a few years when saw what happend he was opposed.

Also I wouldnt bring proofs about zionism from what one gadol said 6 yrs before the state in a ghetto in ww2 when everyone thought this was gog umagog

-come on, really?

be nice

better danven alone with a hat then daven at shul with no hat!!!!!!!!!!!

What a refreshing read! thank you and MASKIM