Shazsheri, your post is deplorable, infuriating, and ignorant. And, while you may have intended it as such, can’t see why one would risk their olam habah for the thrill of the troll. Your statements are tragic testimony to nothing other than your own environment and possible need for a balm to sooth the scars of your personal failures. I personally know “not one”, but many many bochurim and kollel yungerleit that do put in full hours. Davening a proper shachris in the yeshiva, and learning 12-14 hours a day, and more. But its so much more than the hours. It is the morning to night attachment to their learning. Literally doing nothing other than davening properly, tending to the demands of their physical needs, and often not even properly addressing those. Have you ever experienced sitting by the breakfast table and chazerring in your head what you did the day before while planning out what you need to accomplish that day? Jumping out of bed to look something up that may be relevant to your days learning? And doing this 7 days a week? I know MANY that do. You are in the wrong environment and promoting ignorance. I am not denying that many, most don’t. Each to their own level, and the level runs the gamut, but לא ראיתי אינה ראי’, DON’T sell our heroes short! Furthermore, are you familiar with the system of learning camps? High school aged bochurim, sometimes BM too, and many BM bochurim go as staff. First seder is 10-1, some have short second seder, and all have a night seder. Some have the bochurim print torah and they write a sefer, some have visiting shiurim, most have a basic standard. Obviously, as in yeshivos themselves, some bochurim are more adherent and some less, but, many have reasonable to significant learning. And, even the BM aged boys that take road trips, the better level bochurim, will have sedorim, davening etc. As far as pace of learning, why don’t we just leave that to the roshei hayeshiva? For a Yeshiva World poster to feel entitled to have and voice an opinion is just illustrative of the ills of the social media culture. Terrifying. You are so clearly not in the know and just spreading motzei shem rah.

Assurnet, its been a while, but you have an old post referencing “kevertzadik” as someone that does extensive research into kivrei tzedikim. For years I have wondered as to the authenticity and certainty of various kevarim. Does the aforementioned name have a web site that posts the results of his research? Do you or anyone else know of other sources that clarify “probability” or “certainty” of authenticity? Based of course on Torah, messorah and chachmei yisroel…..

TY Smerel for some words of reason and mesorah of daas torah. Rather that every self proclaimed expert authoritatively stating their soap box opinion as to what yeshivos should be doing. We leave that to gedolim. Just wondering, do those that quote that mishna also follow thru to the rest of the program and learn all that is brought there? What about the other mishneh, actually braisoh, or pas bmelech tocahal? Or how about על תרבה שיחה עם האשה, באשתך נאמר, etc. we go with mesorah, particularly with something as fundamental to our existence as yeshivos and mesoras hatorah. and to novelty, I personally prefer the response of no nonsense

Strange that chazal made this irrelevant takana of maaseh yodeho lbaaloh…..

Yochi, I don’t know you so it’s not personal, but why would you think that you would know what you missed? I would think that it may be the ones that went, and got something from there, who would possibly see what you can’t.

The question is too broad. It certainly depends on the individual and depends on where they go. For example, one who learns in Brisk and is interested in that, and is also from the true mevakshim that are looking to really get from what authentic Brisk has to offer, can get something there that they can’t get anywhere else in the world. Additionally, America is driven by materialism which in most cases waters down the purity of our yiddishkeit. Again, depending on who you are and where you go you can spend time associating with and being inspired by a type of yiddishkeit that is mostly not available in the USA. Where one lives simply, eschewing materialism, focused on spiritual growth and living life entirely through yiddishkeit, values uninfluenced by secularism, etc. It can be a real eye opener, and at times life altering.

Additionally, there are great tzaddikim and talmidei chachomim that one can grow from by association.

Girls too, depending on their upbringing, background and where they are holding in life can grow immeasurably from the above.

Granted, many, some would suggest most, do not maximize the opportunity and some would posture that the overall benefit do not justify the risks, from a communal position. But, the OP asked what the purpose is. On an individual basis this may be some ideas.

Lastly, as far as boys are concerned, once a boy is past 4th year b”m he does not really have any serious local options. Just about everyone goes to EY. Furthermore, when he comes back to Lakewood and needs chaburos, chavrusos, etc, depending on where he learnt previously in America, his friends and yeshiva mates from EY may be the difference in a successful experience in BMG or not.

Granted, if we are discussing the system we can discuss creating opportunities locally, but until such a point in time the facts are that for most there is really no other option

I really hope that no one is deciding halacha from these posts and asks their rav. As I assume that the OP is looking for information I would add the following: As a previous poster wrote, the reason why honey is mutar is a machlokes taanaim. If you paskin like those that say that the heter is a sevoroh (chachomim) that honey is not a product or excretion of the bee itself and rather just passes thru the bee (this itself is discussed in the achronim, as clearly there are enzymes that make changes to the nectar) there are those that say (see igros moshe y”d vol 2, I believe 24 but I don’t have it here now) that we can apply this heter to other similar instances (such as confectioners glaze). Others (I believe R’ Shlomo Zalman in Minchas Shlomo vol 1, and possibly R’ Elyashiv as he seems to say that its worth avoiding confectioners glaze, but does not give his reasoning) disagree and say that we can not make out own comparisons to be matir. If you paskin that it is a gezairas hakosuv (R’ Yaakov) its is trickier, and most likely specific to honey. See igros moshe. Additionally it is a machlokes if we paskin like R’ Yaakov or the chachomim (gemorah bechoros, above, see rosh, rambam, mechaber, etc, igros moshe, chazon ish and many more). It should be noted though that R’ Moshes heter for confectioners glaze, besides for different facts, was built on combination of 4 different reasons and can not be applied here. I hope this is academically accurate and helpful. All the best

The trend is not new. If anything its only in recent years that some have sent to English. And is there is a trend, it is one that the poster is obviously a proud product of….. (Title and content)

There is a wonderful book in English on the topic that covers all of your questions and more. Its called Shadchanus in Halacha by Rabbi Shlomo Dickman

Sorry no links

iacisrmma: Actually makes perfect sense, although intentionally exaggerated

iacisrmma: It is understandable for those familiar with yeshiva talk. Its an intentional exaggeration of typical lingo among yeshiva students

Chabadgal;: You may know, there is no issur yichud on milk and meat

Happy fathers day #171 for 2015!(and mothers day for that matter too)

Yes, there are countless, well documented such stories. Curious, how does Torah hashkofoh explain them?

Why does the YWN Android app demand all those permissions, they want access to everything! I was not comfortable with that so I just deleted it. I don’t have a browser on my phone so I can’t use the mobile site

1. I would speak to your rov immediately. I think that you’re treading a dangerous path that can undermine the stability of a marriage and proper guidance is a must

2. How long are you married? While very wrong, there is a de-emphasis among many segments of bochurim as to the importance of teffila b’tzibur. Certainly many bochurim are not like that, but there are many that are. Sometimes it may not even be a gauge as to his yiras shomayim, rather just a cultural shortcoming. Of those, most will move past it as the years go on, but a young married wife can be horrified. Hashkofically she is right, but being that she is culturally not in tuned with the mindset of a bochur she would be misjudging him. The most critical thing though is to have proper hadrocho. Without it a marriage can really suffer.

kfb: Pretty much its Rabbi Feldman and others disassociating Ner Yisroel with Mr. Lipman and saying that he is not a product of their training. Enough said. Also, The Gedolim have allowed internet with a filter in the workplace and have not (as far as I know) assured Yeshiva World. And more so, your claim that he was educated in Ner Yisroel, if the Rosh Hayeshiva himself is telling you that he is not a product of their chinuch then I do not need to follow (which one absolutely should) everything they say to accept that his Rabbinic validation is based on an institution who themselves deny so.

Take a look at this book on Rebbetzin Kanievsky, Rav Chaim passionately beleives that you tell parents right away (I assume in normal situation)

jbaldy22: I am not sure which meforshim you are referring to. I looked at the mishna, rav, tosfos yom tov and rabbainu yonah and do not fins what you mention. All I see is that there is an additional chomer for someone that batels while learning above one who never starts. This would be equally true of yungerleit an working people. Please post your reference, I would like to see it. As for girls schools, I prefer to end my part of the discussion. It is purposeless for me to keep saying that I know and you to keep writing no. I’ve been privy to meetings, discussions, policy implementation, etc. You will deny it so its nonsensical. You win. The mechanchos anf rosh hamosdos ,ust be pushing their own agenda and misguided hashkafos. We must just be familiar with different schools, so I cant speak for yours nor yours for mine.

This is so sad. The original post highlights one of the unfortunate aspects of internet life. Anyone, regardless of qualifications, intelligence, level of responsibility etc., can post their personal pet peeves, based on nothing, and be given a forum to express it in.

On the chance than I am right, how sad for an irresponsible poster who in his ignorance derides such a group.

And oh, what becomes of those that are from the percentage that are as the poster describes? They generally fall out and leave kollel, unable to handle its rigors, eventually becoming posters on the internet, with a message of negative view of kollel life!

Additionally, to all of those that harp on the rambam and those that say that one should work while learning (see bais yosef, shach, aruch hashulchan, igros moshe, biur halachah, chofetz chaim in shem olam for a detailed discussion as to its application today, this is not the place for an idealistic debate), why is their kanaus limited to the learners that are not mekayim the being nehneh from their own work (which the chofetz chaim describes as at best midoh tovah) and not to the much larger groups of “earners” that are not mekayim the “aseh torascho kevah” which is, and always has been, the very basic fundamental obligation of every male Jew?

Must be that those type of people either don’t post on the internet of if they do are more controlled and responsible.

Reprehensible.