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BP Totty: I’ll fourth.
Cheerful: It must seem like an insurmountable barrier. I remember being young and not feeling like I could stick up for myself. Do you have a trusted mentor, or other older relative or friend who you could go to to help tell your parents what you really want? Having some support in your corner could really help you approach this in a way that softens the blow for your parents but helps you get the point across. Better to stand up for yourself now than be miserable in an engagement or – worse – a marriage.
Hatzlacha!
bombmaniac, which should you be doing, “learning” or “cooking”?
“Stranded”‘s friends are the Yentas of the future… if they haven’t met Dovid (not suggesting they have ANY input in this matter) then they have no right to judge. They should be thrilled for Stranded!
I am cheering for Stranded, cheering for Dovid, and cheering for the Aunt/Shadchan 🙂 If it’s b’shert, it’s b’shert! Hashem’s hand is in everything!!
“so, nu?” I love it!!!
telegrok, please post an update, we want to know 🙂
I don’t have an answer, but I can say with certainty that when my daughter is of the age, she won’t even consider HEARING about a bochur who smokes. She sees people smoking and rails about what a disgusting habit it is. You can smell it on them hours later. Putting those cancer sticks in your mouth is as bad as loshon hora coming out.
bombmaniac, I hate to tell you, but it is an urban legend that GNR covered Cat’s In the Cradle… it was Ugly Kid Joe (even when credited to GNR), and it’s on an album from 1992 with very inappropriate lyrics.
Also, “Jingle Bells” was composed by a church music director, and has always been known as an xmas song. An alternate verse mentions picking up girls…
“Let it Snow”: Sorry, not tsnius. Alternate verses propose cuddling up to the fire since it’s cold outside.
The poster doth protest too much, methinks. LOL.
Mod, do you have a contact for this article??
This just happened to us, to the tune of $300 in fees. They ‘forgave’ $90 since we’re longtime customers (not for much longer), but “it’s not bank policy to refund fees when it’s not a bank error.”
(Only a horrible, yet ‘legal’, policy)
They purposefully wait until midnight to clear all of the day’s transactions, and then pay in them in order from largest to smallest. That way, when the money runs out, it’s a bunch of small pending items each triggering a NSF fee, instead of say the biggest transaction only generating one fee. No matter that your card charges were approved before the mortgage payment was generated through Online Bill Pay. It is a scam!
I have sent complaints till I am blue, including to the Office of the Comptroller of Currency. Hadn’t thought of the FDIC, though.
It is highway robbery!
or “Music Minus One”? LOL…
Google “Jewish Karaoke Music”. Mamesh!
oomis – Yes, it is! “None shall sleep”… (until he finds out the name of the Ice Princess)
Also the source of the first table tennis reference in opera (Ping, Pong and Pang, the comic/tragic ministers) 🙂
(One of the great ironies of opera is Chinese characters singing in Italian, not that Italians would have understood Chinese)
charliehall, I have to say that I am very surprised to hear that for a number of reasons. I have seen many operas, and I worked for an opera company for many years after (secular) college. Did the Rav take into consideration the subject matter of the opera? Many opera plots glorify situations and relationships that are just not kosher by any standard. I didn’t start caring about that until the BT bug set in.
I have seen Nabucco, but Turandot is actually my favorite opera. Talk about a shidduch crisis, LOL. Rigoletto is another I always have loved the music to, but if my kids were to ask for the English translation of the Italian, there’s no way I would tell them!
To be honest, I am shocked that YU has been having opera fundraisers. I am female so kol isha isn’t an issue, but I am just sensitive, I guess.
Oomis, I agree on Wagner. Some people can separate the man from his music, but I can’t.
Uncle Moishy borrows secular tunes very heavily for his music. Admirable yet annoying, LOL.
Charliehall above mentions “Va, pensiero” from the opera “Nabucco” (or Nebchadnezzar) by Verdi. The opera is set in 587 BCE. This chorus is also called The Chorus of the Hebrew Slaves, and is one of the most beautiful and best-known melodies in all opera.
There were other operas written based on Torah events, mostly by Italian composers in the early to mid-19th century. Unfortunately, opera as an art form is problematic for those who hold by the standards of tsnius and kol isha.
Havesomeseichel, to me it is not enough to ‘just’ listen to instrumental classical music. Many classical composers in Europe were employed by the church, so I won’t listen to anything that was intended for that audience even if it is not immediately obvious. The list of what I consider acceptable has narrowed greatly since my pre-BT days, but I would wither to give up listening to music completely (I have spoken to my Rav about this).
To answer the original question, I cringe when I walk into any store, whether Jewish-owned or not, and hear things that do not fit into anyone’s vision of frumkeit. There’s really no excuse in this day and age for a frum-owned business not to make parve whatever music is playing. There are many options, whether the clientele are exclusively frum or not.