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For one of my children’s weddings I told the musician that when there is background music (kabalas ponim, dinner) I want people to be able to converse without getting hoarse. “Oh, okay, I can do that.”
What I can’t figure out is why this is a chiddush. People like getting hoarse?
hanabMemberDoes anyone have contact info for Safe Music Providers, or some kind of info on what maximum decibel level I should requesting from a band.
hanabMemberC’mon. Imagine is clearly promoting Communmism or at least Socialism.
Imagine all the people sharing all the world.
So atheism goes along with that.
(I use the Imagine company’s Soy Dream, although it does disturb me to do so…)
hanabMemberAh, clearly most of you folks are city mice. But I am a country mouse, and the alternative to the ‘doggy restroom’ is somebody’s lawn. Also since in the U.S. cars drive on the right, I figure walking on the sidewalk should be to the right as well.
“Small boats move for larger boats. Both airplanes turn right. Single stroller moves for double stroller. Walking man moves for stationary man. Queen’s boat moves for lighthouse.”
And, if you are a gentleman, you should move aside for a lady. But not in Williamsburg, I understand.
“In any event, for the most part I usually find this problem with a bunch of over-talkative women.” – well, my experience has been with rude and oblivious men.
But I think I will try, next time, to look down and march ahead. Let them ignore me at their peril!
hanabMemberSometimes I think seriously of doing that, but it doesn’t seem so ladylike. Still, if I do move aside, I come home stewing…which is not very healthy.
hanabMemberMusic has different effects. A ‘malchusdik’ march evokes one type of feeling, a ‘dvaikusdik’ nigun, another. This is regardless of whether they may resemble music from other cultures. Unfortunately, most of today’s “Jewish” music has its origins in the jungle, the effect being to make people feel and act like …animals!
And as the ‘baal simcha’ or ‘baalas simcha’ you have the right to tell the musician(s) you employ if you don’t want jungle music, and if you don’t want to be responsible for contributing to the hearing loss of your guests.
hanabMemberLillian Jackson Braun’s series “The Cat Who…”. The Mrs. Pollifax series is adorable, but she also has a few other books I enjoyed but would not give to my children.
Once again, I add my caveat: nothing I recommended should be offered to a child without the mother reading it first.
hanabMemberI have probably read thousands of mysteries and I can tell you there is no book (even by a Jewish publisher) that I would give to my child without reading it first.
That said, I have found the best place to find older & cleaner books is the flea market or thrift shop. Also, since you own it (often for a mere 50 cents) you can free free to rip out a page or two or black out a line or two and still have a satisfactory book. I’ve also bought boxes of books on ebay for a few dollars (particularly if they say ‘vintage’), but I do end up throwing out quite a few. I suppose one could contact the seller & ask about the books, but you could not trust them 100%.
I find the following clean enough for a married woman who is not ready to give up secular novels, but I don’t recommend them for a teen unless you comb through first.
Rex Stout’s Nero Wolfe series is usually clean although there are often subtle references to romances or issurim. I enjoy Mary Stewart very much but I don’t think I’ve given those to my children. Dick Francis writes mostly mysteries around horses & jockeys. You might also look at Mary Roberts Rinehart, Dorothy Gilman, Dorothy Sayers.
November 30, 2011 2:57 am at 2:57 am in reply to: If you've read "NASI Project Responds", have you changed your mind? #847943hanabMemberHere are some facts I’d like to see:
1. No. of males taken out of the shidduch pool because they are OTD, social misfits, not marriageable material
2. No. of females ditto
3. No. of male baalei tshuva in shidduch pool
4. No. of females, ditto
5. Geirim
6. Females ditto (not sure of correct dikduk – misgayeros?)
I think we would find that because women are naturally more spiritual, the number of women being added to the pool is greater than the number of men, and conversely (also related to higher male rates of autism spectrum, social skills issues. For OTD there can be many other factors.
In any case, the above factors must be contributing to the disparity to some extent. So, if you are wondering where to put your tzedakah dollars, perhaps organizations dealing with keeping boys on the derech, and improving their marriageability, would be more productive!
hanabMemberAny updates? Does anyone know anything positive or negative about Park House Hotel or Plaza Hotel? Thanks
hanabMemberHad this been a shidduch proposed to her parents, researched ad nauseum, and they said yes, it would be a big kashya. Usually when there is a disparity such as you describe, a big red flag would go up: “DID THEY AGREE TO ACCEPT ME WITH ALL MY DISADVANTAGES BECAUSET THEY HAVE A SKELETON OR THREE?”, in which case you might want to honestly ask the young lady what skeletons there might be, so you could make an intelligent decision whether to take them on. (I am saying this for those who might find themselves in such a situation).
OTOH, since it is a ‘boy’s market’, a disadvantage or disparity (or two) might be insignificant. But three?
However, in your case, none of this applies. Since there was no research, the girl liked you before hearing of your trials and tribulations, no such caveat. You just need to be sure that the parents appreciate & accept you with all your baggage, since the lack thereof can be a very big challenge in married life.
July 17, 2011 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm in reply to: Many attempts were made for the Kallah. How would you proceed? #791232hanabMemberDroid, what for? Evidently verbalizing the forgiveness is sufficient, I believe we learn it from the Asarah Harugei Malchus who said they were a kaparah for mechiras Yosef, since, although Yosef told the brothers not to worry, he never verbalized his forgiveness.
hanabMemberEvidently Levi Aron was hit by a car or motorcycle when he was young and may have had some brain damage.
How, exactly, is this different than the Martin Grossman case (other than the fact that he has not yet been convicted)?
July 17, 2011 3:28 am at 3:28 am in reply to: Many attempts were made for the Kallah. How would you proceed? #791229hanabMemberI once worked very hard getting a shidduch off the ground. It was a tricky situation so I initially spoke to a close relative, instead of the parents. Somehow others got involved, so, when I never got any acknowledgement from the parents, I assumed they just never knew about my involvement.
Well, after a few years that no child was born to the couple, I said to my spouse “I am hereby mochel the shadchanus belev sholem”. Not that I ever had a hakpada, but, in case my not being mochel them out loud was a problem, I wanted to clear it up.
Of course, you can guess the happy ending.
So this is not a bubbeh maaseh, but a first-hand account, from my side, anyhow.
OP, I am glad you got paid, I hope it was adequate! Just in case, please say so!
hanabMemberAishes Chayalos means wife of (plural, feminine) soldiers.
You probably mean Nshei Chayil.
hanabMemberThank you, Mod-80. Are you outraged enough to call some advertisers?
hanabMemberWell, of course it didn’t pass moderation. I’m telling you the details are unfit for a ‘frum’ forum and you don’t believe me!
I tried googling “syrian boy tortured”, with great trepidation. Well, the first article did not see fit to include the detail featured by the publication under discussion.
To those concerned that we keep up with the news, not everyone feels that it’s important to know every gory detail. My objection, in any case, was not to the gory aspect, but the lack of tznius in naming a specific eiver that was amputated.
Bombmaniac, I don’t know if you’re trying to elicit the details just for the fun of it, but you can obviously google away to satisfy your curiosity. I really don’t think anyone else here wants to hear the details. On the other hand, I am frustrated that almost no one is outraged about the article in question, although I do understand that without hearing the exact words the reader may not realize the extent of the outrage they would feel.
hanabMemberRead up on dysphoric milk ejection reflex & see if it sounds like what you have!
hanabMemberHello, mods? I tried in two subtle ways to explain, I actually agree with you for not passing either. Do you have any way to reference the facts, letoeles hainyan, that you feel would be passable?
Let us just say that it’s entirely inappropriate, in a publication to the Yeshiva community in Lakewood, (particularly when it is expected to be accessible to children, but even achutz dem)to refer to parts of the anatomy that are considered ervah. The act committed is despicable to the utmost whether you understand from this or not. You can always go get the paper, if you have the stomach for it….
hanabMemberSorry, bomb, I tried to be explicit but I believe it did not pass moderation.
hanabMemberNo, the Rabbonim are too busy & don’t think they’ll be listened to. They think people should call the advertisers.
hanabMemberIf there is sufficient interest, I will provide a link to the on-line issue, where you will NOT see the offensive page, but you may choose one or two advertisers to contact if you find that suitable.
hanabMemberOh, and by the way, the JUNIOR SUDOKO was on the THE SAME PAGE.
(Sorry for shouting. Phew. Okay, I will now calm down. Thanks for listening.)
hanabMemberI hesitated to specify the mutilation because it makes me sick to my stomach, but if we’ve gotten this far, yes, I think it’s entirely unnecessary to specify that an entire body part was cut off. That really goes beyond castration in sickness, actually.
Also, I do look through all the publications before my children read them. And, I don’t subscribe to this one, it comes free to all homes in Lakewood. We have called in the past and asked not to receive it, to no avail.
Also the publisher has proved, in the past, rather impervious to public opinion. The only protest that did cause some improvement, in the past, was a grass-roots campaign directed toward his advertisers, who all protested his poor judgement or lack of careful editing, and threatened to withdraw their advertising. Alas, the effect was temporary.
So, before naming names, I am trying to ascertain if it’s possible that enough people are outraged and willing to make a few calls or emails to advertisers, to ask them to insist on a more wholesome publication.
And, yes, it’s expected to be read by children. It has multi-page contests for children, as well as a full page from old Olomeinu back covers. If you get receive it, you know which one it is.
hanabMemberMDG, you got it right. Since we adults can all get our news on-line, why do we need it again in six different publications as well? (I generally find there is little news to interest me by the time I get the weekly papers, I’ve seen most of it on-line already).
Well, as I said, I did not want to specify the publication so as not to encourage the ‘young readers’ to immediately run to read it. One question is, if they’re on-line, are they exposed to it anyhow?
Also, is there any point in naming names? Unless one is talking to an audience that cares about it, and is willing to take action, as outlined above.
Most of you say you don’t care. Fine. So none of you would suggest to an advertiser that they protest and withdraw their patronage? Okay. I guess this is the wrong forum.
hanabMemberNo, gentlemen, I am not a troll. I am actually a concerned mother and grandmother.
I am waiting for someone to tell me they don’t care what garbage comes into their house, or for someone to ask what they can do to help combat this problem.
hanabMemberFirst of all, I never said this was about women. It’s about a young boy who had a body part amputated in the context of torture for rebelling against the regime. And I would think it’s no less gruesome if you don’t know the exact body part.
Second, I am not an ostrich, and I am sure all of us who are on-line see some material that would not pass the mods here. However, I do not expect young children to pick up a supposedly “kosher” paper and be confronted with such graphic material.
I don’t think most responsible parents will allow their young children to be unsupervised on-line without filters, or at the public library, for that matter. They use their discretion as to what a child should encounter, and at what age.
For instance, in a recent interview, Mrs. Lichtenstein of Hamodia and Rebbetzin Esther Farbstein of EY, were asked the appropriate age to expose children to information about the holocaust. I believe they said around 6th, 7th or 8th grade.
Would you want a five year old to come home from Pre1A with nightmares because he was exposed to material that was not age-appropriate?
My objection to this particular periodical is that they have ZERO sensitivity to the community, which, I am sure, is horrified by this material that was ‘inadvertently’ placed.
hanabMemberOkay. Fine. Nobody cares. I will take my cause elsewhere.
hanabMemberI would suggest shopping for linens first. Once you find something you love, choose a color from the linen.
hanabMemberIf it gives anatomical details it’s not appropriate. Anyone disagree? (At least here there are moderators!)
hanabMemberSigh. No. Published a graphic description of torture in an Arab country, including specific reference to mutilation of body parts.
hanabMemberWeasley & Brother, kol hakovod. I just want to say that it’s very important not to jump madregos but to climb slowly up the ladder, so (almost) never should you take the most extreme view. Too many have done that and failed. Second, it’s super-important to find a mentor who understands you and can guide you. There are so many derochim and many well-intentioned people end up with a mishmash of things that sounded nice but don’t work in real life. May you have much hatzlocha!
Mod, if you will allow me, the ‘mainstream’ litvishe shitah is that you wear hose that a viewer can tell are hose, no specific thickness or color. (That viewer is, genreally, a woman, because men are anyhow clueless, same with a sheitel, women should be able to tell you’re wearing one. Will men be able to tell? They shouldn’t be looking so closely anyhow!)
hanabMemberWe went to a local seashore on Chol Hamoed. It was cool enough that there was almost nobody there, and if we stayed to ourselves, there was nothing wrong for the men to see. Except, that there was another frum family there & the wife was sitting on a bench. Perhaps her skirt was long enough when she was standing, but… I couldn’t decide if I should go over & say, “I am sure you don’t realize what’s showing”. In the end I didn’t have the nerve.
Really, I don’t understand it. I just don’t. If anyone can explain it to me????
Men, you don’t tell your wife when something is showing? What, you just don’t care? Or you’re too afraid of her? I don’t understand that either. There’s a nice way to say everything!
hanabMemberCan I ask if anyone is interested in this variation on the theme:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/name-that-tune-1
hanabMemberMy current pet peeve is all the phone intrusions about sales, raffels. While it could be I have to renew my do-not-call, somehow I suspect it won’t make a difference….today I listened all the way to the end, as someone suggested to me, and no, there was no “press x to have your number removed from future calls”.
hanabMemberIt’s not nice to imply? That Yidden is the tune of Ghenghis Khan? C’mon?
Anyhow, are we allowed to post links to songs? That would be helpful if possible.
hanabMemberPurim USA –
There is a man, he’s from Amalek, it’s in his blood to kill….
and he’s the one, the rosho Homon, who’s sitting right next to you
What is that tune? Intro to a TV Western? Gunsmoke? Bonanza?….
hanabMemberThere’s a berry called elder
Which many have found
Does wonders for viri
That seem to abound
Sambucol is one brand
Order from the health food store!
it also comes with zinc
echinecea and more
Refuah shlaima, I wish you
I’ve been there myself
And remember this berry
Keep it on your shelf!
It’s good for prevention
take one time each day
and when you are sick,
take four times they say!
hanabMemberWe personally know someone who recently named his daugher Shira & then heard about this tumult. He wrote to Rav Chaim that he heard the Rov does not like the name. He got back the reply “tizrok et hayud” (in other words, call her Sarah). However, he asked an American godol who was a bit taken aback (well, clearly, as we’ve heard, not all poskim agree) … we have not heard the resolution yet.
hanabMemberYeah, I just got it a minute ago…
hanabMemberNobody ever posted the explanation to
15,8 S
9,6 T
2,1 O
7,5 T
11,3 ?
Okay, I found the answer, but that doesn’t get us much farther.
Could we have a really small hint?
July 12, 2010 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm in reply to: Breach in Tznius: Recent affliction attacking Klal Yisroel #1025689hanabMembermissme wrote, a few days back,
Whatever might or might not be wrong with trying to have “too many” Chumros, it isn’t 1/1000th as bad as dressing like a prutza.
I just want to point out that if you emphasize chumros too much (in any area), you may be provoking rebellion in some people. Far better to focus on what halacha requires.
When someone reads about kimchis, or an inspiring story about a woman who covered her sheitel & merited a yeshua, they can think, “this is all totally irrelevant to me”.
Far better if said publications would focus on the need to have knees & torso covered at all times. It’s true that it’s tragic that we’ve come to the point that people should have to be told, but it’s obviously a fact!
hanabMemberAnyone know anything about Cape Cod?
June 29, 2010 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm in reply to: Lets take on Kabbolos. We can bring Moshiach closer together! #882351hanabMemberFind an opportunity to practice the middah of being dan lekaf zechus every day.
June 22, 2010 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm in reply to: Breach in Tznius: Recent affliction attacking Klal Yisroel #1025342hanabMemberIt should be quite simple. Once we could have said, “Imagine if you are going to the Godol Hador for a beracha. Would you be embarrassed to be wearing that?”
Unfortunately, today the eye is so accustomed to seeing inappropriate clothing that this sensitivity may have been lost.
However, one can always ask a respected rebbetzin to judge if an article of clothing is appropriate, and many people do this.
June 18, 2010 12:55 am at 12:55 am in reply to: Breach in Tznius: Recent affliction attacking Klal Yisroel #1025331hanabMemberBut an important point is getting lost in this discussion. Every community has their standards, which is why international tznius organizations (or even national) are going to confuse or upset people who adhere to the standards of their own community, but are being pushed to accept the agenda of another community. We need to respect one another, yes. Not necessarily to accept the standards of others as our own.
We were once on the way to the Catskills the week of the yahrzeit of the Satmar Rebbe zt”l. We are not at all chassidish but I though it would be a big zchus to go daven there. Then I realized I was wearing 3/4 sleeves. This is totally acceptable in my community but I felt it was wrong to go in to a community where it is not acceptable (in fact I believe it may be ossur to go somewhere if your dress does not adhere to minhag hamokom).
June 17, 2010 3:14 am at 3:14 am in reply to: Breach in Tznius: Recent affliction attacking Klal Yisroel #1025298hanabMemberAt the request of the Wolf, I expose to non-Lakewood-residents (and those not on the mailing list) the information requested.
From BP Weekly – an advertising circular put out by BP Graphics
BS”D
We come to ask the manufacturers and retailers of stockings for women, not to sell stockings that weaken the holy Mitzva of “Tznius”. For example the stocking with the name, n*de [even in 60 denier] and other skin colored stockings e.g. honey and natural [even in 40 denier]. Also, stockings with a denier of less than 30 should not be worn by a bas yisroel, and therefore should not be available in a koshera store.
In addition, inappropriate pictures on the packaging should be covered.
In the Zchus of complying with the laws of our torah Hashem yisborach will bless with holy children, health and prosperity, and the final redemption of Klal Yisroel amen.
Signed on 28 Iyar by three of the poskim of Lakewood.
(Note no signature facsimiles, only names of signatories).
then it says:
DA’AS TORAH OF OUR GEDOLEI YISROEL (from tof shin mem heh)
Wearing stockings is obligatory. No stockings or transparent stockings is prohibited. One must wear stockings, which do not allow the skin to be visible.
Names listed for this are several from Eretz Yisroel and some now deceased, though not all are indicated as such.
Oh, yes, the person who placed the ad was courageous enough to sign his name.
“Ad placed by Yakov EDITED 845-EDITED” although there is no such directory listing. (See Mod’s note below.)
The thing is, normative LITVISHE psak, as I understand it, requires stockings that make it obvious that stockings are being worn. So ANY color other than skin color, in any denier would be permissible, as would a beige or skin color different from the wearer’s skin, or slightly opaque. But someone here seems to have an agenda to ask every store to adopt a certain viewpoint, and anyone whose Rov paskens differently should be compelled to shop in Cyprus, er, out of town or (gasp) on-line…. where no bas yisroel should be, of course.
EDITED. Name and Phone number redacted. (The phone number IS listed in the name of the person shown.)
June 16, 2010 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm in reply to: Breach in Tznius: Recent affliction attacking Klal Yisroel #1025289hanabMemberSpeaking of ‘agendas’ (I was) please refer to page 70 of the June 10 BP weekly & tell me, if you can, who the person is who inserted the ad? I personally verified with one of the poskim listed that the parameters listed are not his psak, and I did not get into details of how his name came to be listed.
I am not disagreeing with everything written there. HOWEVER. If you want hosiery stores to cover the pictures on their packages, kindly approach them individually, offer to pay for the stickers & send your daughter to stick them on. You can also call the Jewish manufacturers & ask them to change the packaging, and the offensive name for the skin colored hosiery.
I would appreciate anyone who can go to any of the dayanim and rabbonim listed and find out if they really agree with what is written.
June 16, 2010 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm in reply to: Breach in Tznius: Recent affliction attacking Klal Yisroel #1025288hanabMemberWell, it’s pretty hard to change the rules later. And once she’s wearing that stuff for a while, his eye gets accustomed to it also & he doesn’t see what’s wrong with it. Whereas when they first got married he noticed more??? What I’m saying (like Sarah Schenirer) is that you have to start earlier.
The little kids tznius groups may be a nice idea, I am not sure, because it seems to me that too many people are promoting their own agenda (I recently got something in the mail, & if you think I am thinking about covering my sheitel because of that inspiring story, sorry….)
And with teenagers, well, it’s very hard for parents to say things because we are all scared of upsetting our kids. I once called a woman to ask if I should talk to my daughter about an outfit I did not like (not ossur but not aidel) & she said, “don’t say a word, because the minute she leaves your house she will wear whatever she wants”. And I basically decided to concentrate on having a positive relationship with her & keep my mouth shut even when it’s very hard.
Furthermore (I may be wrong about this) I think most older women have a bit more dignity. It’s the youngsters who are so busy following the styles & getting their clothing to fit ‘just so’ who are much more likely to wear the bad stuff.
June 16, 2010 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm in reply to: Breach in Tznius: Recent affliction attacking Klal Yisroel #1025286hanabMemberYou know how they give the chassanim a ten-hour shmuz? So they are told “NEVER tell you wife you don’t like the food she made” and I am sure the young husbands would be scared silly to criticize the tznius of their new bride.
What needs to happen is that someone needs to tell them that if your wife puts on clothing that you find, shall we say, very (overly?) attractive, you should tell her, “Honey, you look so beautiful in that, I’d rather only I see you in it, can you wear it at home for me and not in public?”
Men, do you think you can do this?
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