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But a legal side must be relevant to us all. Would a religious Jewish person to whom the country law is not relevant rid themselves of Halacha.
DINA D’MALCHUSA DINA
We must respect the law and abide to it even if we do not like it.
( I am not talking about where the country’s law clearly violates halacha, but when it is emotional and ethical, which clearly does not override halacha.
Personally, It doe not bother or effect me at all, no matter what the outcome is. I truly believe that they do have the right and may build the mosque there.
Ethically, I wish they would re-locate somewhere else, as it does cause emotional stress (and trauma) to many people.
But, I would not fight it on any ground, since they have the right just as everyone else does.
I know I seem to be contradicting myself, but there is a difference between the ethical, legal, personal and even emotional standpoint.
popa_bar_abba – You have no idea of what amount of knowledge I have in any field at all or what I am trained in.
I do not believe that ones heart should get in the way of legal rights and freedoms.. I hear the side that we should not let the mosque be built, but we can not let that get in the way of giving every person in this country the same legal freedom that is given to anther.
I do not like certain types of people for what they represent and for the things they have done either. However, as a person who does understand religious freedom,in this country we have to be equal.In another country I would possibly have a different view.
(depending on the legal system)
Conclusion:
From our hearts and even possibly from an ethical standpoint we should fight the building of the mosque.
But because of the situation we are in and the country we live in, I am of the opinion that we should leave it all alone and not bother with a fight.
You may ask me, “How can I let my legal side get in the way of my ethical side?’
The answer is, “We must respect the law of the country we reside in.” (Dina D’Malchusa Dina) which on of them is
“Freedom of religion”
Let me re=phrase that, They have the same right as the rest of religions in the world to to build a place of worship where they want.
If we wanted to build something we wanted to, where we wanted, I can just see the extremists in our religion (especially in Israel) flag burning, pelting the police with rocks, burning dumpsters etc.
They are just as equal in this country to place a mosque anywhere like we would a Shul. When it disturbs them that we have Shul built near something of theirs, we would fight just as hard to continue having it built.
We are living in Galus and we should not look to make problems for ourselves. There is no reason to to stop the mosque from being built.
My view, is that THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD THE MOSQUE!
How can we stop them from any legal standpoint . They can not stop us either. They can make up all different kinds of stories about us and we would fight back. They have the same rights. Ethically they may be wrong but in this country legal rights are above ethics.
We can not act like them and bring ourselves down to their level. We must show them we are better by tolerating their building of the mosque. Do unto others as you would like others to do unto you.
Of Today:
1. Chazzan Y. M. Helfgot
2. Chazzan Y. Y. Stark
3. Chazzan Y. Lemmer
(if you would consider them a ‘singer”)
(I personally do not care for most modern singers at all.)
(I do have a list a of Chazzanim of all time 🙂
I have not read all the posts yet, though I will comment strictly on how I believe this particular situation should be treated.
All people, which includes people of different religions, have the exact same rights as other people and religions in this country. This is the all based on the principles that the founding fathers of the United States laid out in the Bill of Rights under the First Amendment.
Though all religions are entitled to the same rights under the United States Government, does that give one religion the right to infringe on another to the extant that it causes a disagreement with the others religion?
Ethically, we are not allowed to judge another religion as all bad, unless all the people of this religion are such. Even if most of this religion is bad, how can we stop the minority of this religion from utilizing their freedom. Why would this minority want to force others into believing they are honoring our deceased if really they are all bad? I am sure there are those in their religion that are against the construction of the mosque too because they are against the honoring of our deceased. Even if this is not their intentions, we can not and should not judge them on the basis of the rest.
They have the same right as the rest of the religions in the world to build a place of worship.
We would not want others to discriminate against us, therefore we may not discriminate against others!
We are living in Galus and we do not have the right to run the world!