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Finish the statement – that was when he introduced Gershon Sholem – he followed with “But the study of it is scholarship” When you all write like that you are in violation of laws Lashon Hora…. are you aware of that? You have no clue the damage you do to our community and yourself. Pehaps this site is not for me….you drive people away rather than bring them in.
I suppose based on your response – you Time for the Truth supported the assassination of the Prime Minister – correct? With attitudes like yours – there is clearly no future to our people as a free nation. – you must be from another religion.
Its not pain – its hurtful and really of ignorance what you write. The Rambam wrote – the Truth is the Truth no matter where it comes from In Pirkey Avot – Don’t judge the wine by its flask. Regarding your statement – IF it is something the Satmar said or did that was wrong – I would not protest. You will not be able to find anything the R. Heschel nor R. Lieberman said or preached that goes against our tradition, rather – Someone like Heschel brings you closer – he told an author of one of the many books written about him – the author who was completely non observant – experienced Heschel’s presence and then was set up for a Shabbat with Heschel’s uncle in Brooklyn – the Novominkse Rebbe – The author came back wanting to get more involved – “but Rabbi Heschel – do I really have to put on Tefillin everyday….” Heschel responded – “The only way to enter the holy dimension of existence is through Halacha.” Ponder that, and consider how much you may be missing as well as other “Orthodox” souls with a close mind.. Shabbat Shalom
Your words are hurtful, demeaning to me, to so many who respect, learn and have grown from R. Lieberman and Heschel -and your type of Judaism has blinders on and destructive.
Also – I failed to mention – R. Heschel was given Smicha at 16 years old by the Aguda in Warsaw and he made his way to Berlin as a result of an examination by Fischl Schneerson – relative of the Rebbe who told Heschel’s mother of the boy’s brilliance and advised to broaden his learning – taking him to Vilna then to University of Berlin where he wrote in German a monumental work The Prophets – then the first biography on the Rambam – attended two Orthodox Yeshivas and wrote countless essays and was involved in starting a Jewish Institute in London which he was a major part of for a short while …. and there is much more. All Jews – all people’s spiritual lives would be elevated by experiencing his being and work. Nuff said.
Smerel, your response borders on insulting and one of demeaning ignorance. R. Lieberman was meticulous about the Mitzvot and revered by many. Reference Marc Shapiro’s book The Orthodox and Saul Lieberman to see letters from Gedolim and how they addressed him. Some in the Orthodox movement responded as you did because of his affiliation. There is no higher work on the Tosefta – 12 Volumes tosefta ki-fshutah. Dr Shapiro shares work by some Gedolim that use R. Lieberman (also known as the GRash) and the footnotes read “unknow source.” Heschel not Hershel was also extremely meticulous in his observance. His work and influence is truly unequaled in the Jewish World and is now experiencing a renaissance here and Israel and within the Orthodox Community. R. Weinrib told me that the main work we have today on the Kotsker is from Heschel. Heschel presence and work has also influence countless Jews to become Frum and some gentiles to convert. Prior to your judging people in print or media – know from whom you speak.
Smerel – I would say your response is insulting and full of ignorance. R. Lieberman was meticulous about observance – read Marc Shapiro book The Orthodox and Saul Lieberman and how the Gedolim of his day addressed him with reverence. Some, avoided him because of JTS – some used his work and in the footnotes wrote “unknown source.” ON Heschel – not Herschel – he too was meticulous and his work and list of accomplishments for the Jewish world will dwarf most. His mere presence and his work influenced many to become frum and some even to convert.Today, he is experiencing a renaissance here and in Israel, including in the Frum world. Before you make judgements in print know of whom you are speaking.
You are likely as is the readers of this site of much of R. Heschel’s work and accomplishments. His Magnum Opus Torah Min Hashamayin is a work that took Heschel only 2 years to create. It wrote it in a Rabbinic Hebrew and he did not take the time to look up actual sources. It took 10 years to translate into English and accurately identify all the sources he called upon. The Sabbath only is a tip of the iceberg of his work. If you look at the most recent Hakirah Journal – an advanced Orthodox work on Halacha and Philosophy – there is an extensive essay sharing many aspects of Heschel’s work and accomplishments relaying reasoning of why he is a giant and needs to be included in the Orthodox conversation. He was enough of a Gedol to be selected to negotiate with the Pope to change the Church’s writings and ceremonies that was questionable to Jews and he succeeded! Noestra Aetate.
Jewish Unity- It is likely you are not familiar with the work nor life accomplishments of Rav. Heschel. If you take the time to carefully review – you will retract the statement inferring he was not a Gedolim because he taught at JTS – Saul Lieberman also taught there and he was arguably the greatest Talmudic Scholar of the last century. I know – I will hear about that one.