HaKatan

Always_Ask_Questions:
Hilchos L”H require that if someone intentionally and publicly profanes Hashem’s name that such an abomination be condemned.

Established halacha is that it is absolutely forbidden to enter a church sanctuary. You’re not even allowed to enter the sanctuary of a Conservative Synagogue – yet the UK Chief Rabbinate claims that their Chief Rabbi (and his predecessors) are perfectly fine entering a church sanctuary for a church ceremony (and proud to make videos of it and disseminate those afterwards)?

The argument that it was permitted by the “London Beth Din”, of which he is the head, and which is therefore nogeia baDavar, is not an argument.

As well, the United Synagogue (the umbrella organization of that “Beth Din”, headed by the Chief Rabbi), on their web site, states that they are “a Zionist organization”. So, there goes that “heter”.

There are world-renowned Torah greats who have guided us over the past century. Why wasn’t this asked to, and answered by, someone like Rav Moshe Feinstein, for example?

Nope.

philosopher:
No, Jews are not a race. There are Jews from all over the world and of all skin colors, looks, etc.

I read that he was fired, but who knows?

Thank you, Chaylev…

Israel is, as Rav Elchonon wrote in the name of the Chofetz Chaim, the worst galus, galus under the Yevsektzii. With the clarity of hindsight, we see how prophetic and on-target are those words.

When Mashiach comes, may it be today, please Hashem, and when he tells everyone to go to E”Y, then if people still don’t want to go to E”Y, then you might want to revisit your post.

“Harryyid13”
“We” have not forgotten that we are in galus, whom are our leaders, and all the rest; that would be the “Religious Zionists”.

One of the gedolim whom we have not forgotten, Rav Elchonon Wasserman (among others) wrote clearly that since Zionism is literally Avoda Zara, that makes “Religious Zionism”, then, simply Avoda Zara with religion.

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Great story.

From the site I mentioned in my prior comment (if approved), from Rav Chaim Dov Keller, about the then-director of Chabad of Illinois (who has since passed away):

“This to me is extremely disturbing, because Rabbi Moscowitz, whether his hashkafos are normative Judaism or not, should, as the regional director of Chabad Lubavitch of Illinois, certainly represent normative Lubavitch thinking.

Let us look at what we are being asked to believe is ‘normative Yiddishkeit’ and ‘well within the mainstream of Torah thought’:

1. The Rebbe is not dead but still lives (so that we cannot celebrate his Yahrzeit) and is present everywhere.

2. One may pray to the Rebbe, who also knows our innermost thoughts.

3. The Rebbe is omniscient – which in simple English means he knows everything – a quality which is possessed only by HaShem Himself.

4. The Rebbe is omnipotent – meaning all powerful – kol yachol – which is also the exclusive attribute of the Creator.

5. The Rebbe is the Essence and Being of G-d enclothed in a body.

This, together with the idea of the second coming of a dead Messiah, has heretofore been recognized as standard Christian – certainly not Jewish – theology.

That there is a machlokes (dispute) within Lubavitch in these matters is well known and was clearly demonstrated by the fact that a day after the publication of the above mentioned full-page ad entitled ‘The third of Tammuz is not the Rebbe’s Yahrzeit’, there appeared another full page ad in the Times published by American Friends of Lubavitch, entitled ‘Finding Love and Unity Across the Jewish Spectrum.’ It contains not one word about him being alive, or being Moshiach, or Being and Essence of G-d. In fact, it speaks of Jewish communities the world over commemorating the third Yahrzeit of the Rebbe on the third of Tammuz. One only commemorates Yahrzeits of dead people. So there is obviously another faction.

Which leads us to two possibilities:

A. That Rabbi Moscowitz, by virtue of his position, speaks as a spokesman for the ‘official’ view of Lubavitch – and the non-Messianists are the minority.

Or

B. That the Meshichistin are the minority, but have taken over a significant part of the Movement’s official machinery – at least in Illinois.”

tunaisafish:

There is also a Chazal in Pirkei Avos about being dan liKav Zechus.
I can’t speak for others, but when I saw someone asking “who cares what some in Chabad believe?” I thought it appropriate to answer why it might be rather important to know.

@moishekapoieh:
For ashkenazim, it would be easier to call it “medinas yisrael” rather than the the sefardic (adapted by the Zionists for shmad) “medinat…”.

You happen to be right, though, that Eretz Yisrael should not be conflated with, liHavdil, the Zionist State, and the violence in question is a matter pertaining to the Zionist State, not to E”Y.

So, a better topic would have been “Violence in the State of Israel”.

Regarding the Zionist propaganda nonsense about 2,00 years of torture and death, while there certainly have been occasional periods of immense suffering in this long galus, nonetheless, the Zionist State is the worst galus, galus under the Yevsektzia (the Jewish communists) as Rav Elchonon Wasserman put it.

The Zionists also played a significant role in WW II, both spiritually and physically.

So, to be clear, no, “we” do not have our own “medina”. The Zionists have invaded portions of E”Y and falsely declared that the Zionists represent all Jews and that their Zionist State is the “Jewish” State when in fact it is only the “Zionist”, not Jewish, State.

Dora:
Your definition of “very small” includes their “Ask the Rabbi” host, on the video posted on an earlier thread, where he responded that his Rebbe’s characteristics include being infinite (ain sof), Godly (elokus), atzmius (God incarnate), among others.

This is neo-Christianity, not Judaism, and Rav Aharon Feldman wrote that people who carry such beliefs are not “bichlal amisecha”, their shechita is invalid, their wine is yayin nesech, et al.

It is highly disingenuous to compare this to your hypothetical and non-existent example wherein you named Satmar.

@Always_Ask_Questions:
The facts have all been listed, and they are not feelings but facts.

Liberman is not a Zionist? The very name of his party which he heads is pretty indicative that he is.

@Marxist:
Those differences do not make for a practical difference. It’s been explained many times, but certain people seem unwilling to believe it.

The shmad that underlies all of those idolators is that the Jewish people and faith would need to be changed to an idolatrous Nationalist/land-based godless people and faith.

@Avi K:
Denying reality, which is the vast majority of your post at 8:28 AM, isn’t very practical.

I will note though that the Chazon Ish noted that there are two types of apikorsim today: those who celebrate Yom haAtzamos and those who blame the gedolim for the deaths of Jews in Europe.

Looks like you’re 2 for 2.

Of course, the Zionists totally omit their anti-Jewish activities before and during WW II, like the Zionists lobbying governments AGAINST accepting Jewish refugees from the Holocaust, which lead to the deaths of untold numbers of Jews in the Holocaust.

In addition, the Nazis were poised to invade Palestine and it was only Hashem’s chessed that stopped them from doing so. The Brisker Rav left Europe for Palestine, during the war, despite the physical danger of going to Palestine, only because of chinuch. He felt that it was better to risk the physical danger in Palestine.

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Always_Ask_Questions:
The original Zionism is very much alive today.

The entire purpose of Zionism is to replace both the Jewish people and the Jewish religion with a godless nationalist/Zionist gentile new Jew.

The Zionists have shmaded now three generations of “Israelis” and are attempting to further shmad the remainder of non-Zionist Jews under their control.

Maybe you are the one who needs to get out a little more and simply observe what goes in in Israel and around the world?

@smerel:
No, American Kiruv organizations do not “focus on Israeli yordim” to the exclusion of American College students as you falsely imply.

Rav Yaakov actually retracted that very statement after learning the Satmar Rav’s sefarim on Zionism, and told that to the Satmar Rav.

If not for the Zionists, Mashiach would have come in 1948, as both the Brisker Rav and Satmar Rav said. That’s first of all.

Besides for that, let’s repeat once again: the Zionist have shmaded at least three generations of Jews, especially the ones under their control in their Zionist State of Israel. That perspective is obvious nowadays, of course, to anyone not blinded by that Zionist idol.

Let’s be even more clear. The very purpose of Zionism and its State was, is and always will be Zionism, which is to redefine Judaism and its people from Torah-based to idolatrous Nation-State/Land/Zionist/Israel-based.

So, no, the Zionist “ideal”, and practice of the same (meaning shmad) is, unfortunately, very, very much alive, and is, by far, the greatest source of shmad worldwide, far, far greater than the dying “Reform” and whatever damage “Footsteps” has done.

@Always_Ask_Questions:
No, my perception does not suffer from any such bias. Nor is it hyperbole.

(Regarding Rav Elchonon, you can take out a kovetz maamrim and see for yourself.)

Let’s repeat. For close to a century, from even before the terrible date on which the Zionists founded their shmad State in 1948, the Zionists have ACTIVELY shmaded their “fellow” Jews, intentionally stripping their religion away from them. We now see three generations of Jews that are anywhere between either avowedly anti-religious or, at best, somewhat religious and believing in the idolatry of Zionism, all due only to Zionist shmad.

Nothing like that has happened in the USA. In fact, the opposite has occurred. Moreover, there are numerous kiruv and other places throughout the USA, including on colleges, and in communities. So there are plenty of opportunities for unaffiliated Jews to learn about their heritage. Finally, the USA is a religious country (though the left is certainly trying awfully hard to change that) that both believes in G-d and respects religion, including in their army (very unlike the Zionists). The Zionist entity hates G-d and abhors religion, though they do tolerate Judaism to whatever extent is necessary to “control” it and perpetuate their Big Lie of being the “Jewish” State.

re: Asking goyim to intervene is a bad idea:
Not in the case of evil Zionists, it’s not a bad idea.

(akuperma: That’s Zionist mythology. The Zionists, as the self-appointed leaders of world Jewry, insisted Palestine or the gas chambers and the Zionists lobbied governments against allowing Jews into their countries.)

Other than the Holocaust (in which, anyways, the Zionists had much more involvement than most people could dream), the worst possible scenario is the Zionists.

Since the Zionists invaded a century ago, the frum community begged the British and UN to leave them separate from the Zionists.

The Zionists don’t allow the chareidim to work unless they convert to Zionism. Abolishing that Zionist cruelty would help.

@akuperma
@Yabia Omer

Actually, the purpose of Zionism was and is, as Rav Chaim Brisker explained a century ago, long before 1948, simply shmad.

He said that people think that the Zionists shmad in order to achieve a State. But it’s the opposite: Zionists need a State in order to shmad.

The main goal of Zionism, as proudly noted on any of their web sites, is to change the Jewish people from a G-dly Torah people to a godless land-based nationalist nation.

That’s the purpose of Zionism. Always was and, of course, still is.

But, yes, chareidim (in and out of Israel) are living proof that Zionism is just a Big Lie and shmad.

Regarding Yaakov Avinu Lo Meis, it doesn’t mean that he didn’t pass away. It says Vayigva, which means according to one meforesh (on Avraham Avinu’s death, as I recall) that he became ill with choli meiayim before he died and then died.

The gemara in Taanis questions on the spot that they embalmed Yaakov and were maspid him, etc. so how could you say that he didn’t die? The gemara then answers that it does NOT say vaYamas because there is a drasha to be made from that omission. But, of course, he did pass away. He is buried in Mesaras haMachpeila. He, himself, told Yosef that he will die “meis”. Etc.

The Zera Shimshon (on ViZos HaBracha, if memory serves) quotes the Zohar that Moshe Rabbeinu lo meis. He says that “meis” means, if I understood correctly, that the neshama ascended to a higher state upon dying, meaning higher than that in which it was previously when alive/in the body.

So, he says, that both by Yaakov and Moshe, their neshama was just as pure, etc. while alive in their body as afterwards when they died and the neshama left their body; Yaakov Avinu, due to all the yissurim that he had in addition to his holiness and purity and Moshe Rabbeinu, of course, being the navi that only he was, etc.

The Zionists hate real Judaism because Zionism is all about replacing Judaism with Zionism, as can be seen on the WZO’s web site and elsewhere.

The Zionists, in addition to being heretics who shmad Jews, are also influenced by and have practiced various secular philosophies like Nietzsche’s uber-mensch, which is partly why they hold so much disdain for, and acted so abominably towards, the Yemenites and others.

Does that somewhat answer your questions?

mobico:
Your numbers are obviously grossly inaccurate, well beyond the point of absurdity.

When davening in MO shuls, I find it strange that not only do the congregants not wear hats, including, in many cases, the Rabbi, many congregants (unlike the Rabbi) do not wear the attire that they would wear if meeting a king/nobleman/whatever.

Any MO “halakha” on that topic?

Syag:
No, that was a polite way of saying that he was and is right.

Always_Ask_Questions wrote:
> While I do not want to underestimate the challenges,
> should we not ask –
> what is the value of 12+ years of Jewish education
> that is destroyed in a few months of a dorm?

Reply:
“Jewish education” does not typically precede enrolling and moving into a “college dorm”, other than in “Modern Orthodoxy”.

Given the adulteration of “MO” education with “modernity”, Zionism and other heresies, it would not be a big surprise that a secular college dorm could do major damage to the soul of a Jew brought up “MO”.

But, even for someone who learned in a school that does not corrupt and taint their Judaism as does “MO”, still, of course a few months in a college dorm are lethal to a Jewish soul, regardless of how good is its education.

There are many examples in our mesorah about this. For example, Rashi tells us that the reason bnei Reuven joined with Korach in his rebellion against (Hashem and) Moshe Rabbeinu was their proximity to Korach. That’s it. Their proximity. Presumably, post-rebellion (start of), the bnei Reuven still learned Torah 24/7 as they always did. Yet even they were affected by this proximity to the point that they rebelled against Moshe Rabbeinu, about whom Hashem had already declared “viGam bicha yaameinu liOlam”.

A Jewish college student who is not only in proximity to all sorts of non-Jewish things, but also might join various non-Jewish activities and is also being actively taught all sorts of heresies, is obviously very vulnerable to losing all previous learning/hashkafa, etc. to the point of even losing his faith, R”L L”A.