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A valid daas yachid would be, for example, the Satmar Rav regarding vising the kosel or Israelis voting in elections. These are things that gedolei Torah do, but that the Satmar Rav held was wrong. That’s an example of daas yachid, not, lihavdil, some maskil or whatever else who claims – with no Torah source even attempted – that foreign ideology is really Judaism.
“And if he’s honest, he’ll admit so. He was just raised in a Mizrachi environment and chose the opinion of the Yechidim like Rav Kook & Rav Soloveitzik over the many others who disagreed with them.”
Rabbi Kook and Rabbi Dr. Soloveitchik did not have valid Torah opinions, as per all the gedolim, who condemned either their opinions and/or themselves. In fact, the gedolim stated things like (Rav Shach, about one of those, in this example) “mamash divrei kefirah ad kidei hishtomemus liMareh ayin”.
AAQ:
You have it backwards. It is the “Religious Zionists” and “MO” that have divided themselves into their own group of idolatry and heresy, just like all the other heretical sects throughout history. Conservative Jews also keep lots of mitzvos. It’s that simple.Kuvult:
If memory serves, Rav Hirsch notes that it’s the zecher of amaleik, meaning any remnant of their practices and values, that is the issue. That, not genes.Even Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik of Boston admitted that the cause of the immense Arab hatred towards Jews in the holy land is the Zionist idol and its “State”.
Chaim:
You keep repeating the same nonsense that people were Zionists and therefore Zionism is not kefirah. Zionism is kefirah. Period. There are no two ways about that. It so happens that a certain gadol was very happy when the State was established, but when he read from the Satmar Rav about it, he told him that you convinced me and I was wrong. So, yes, that is called confusion on their part and no, it is not revising history. And therefore you shouldn’t take stories from the 1940s as your gospel. As the Brisker Rav stated, “the State they have managed to achieve is the greatest triumph of the Satan since the eigel”. That means that it was indeed confusing then (and still is now for many, including you). Rav Frank was not Zionist. Even Rav Elyashiv, who worked in rabbinics for the Zionists, protested vehemently against Shas joining the WZO, calling that a nevallah. So, no, he also was not a Zionist. You just keep throwing around names with no documentation and no proof.Again, the letters and sefarim by gedolim against Rabbi Kook are public, were published, and you can find them if you choose to do so. Rabbi Kook wrote kefirah, and it’s being spread until today, and it is unquestionably and undeniably kefirah. Like the soccer player line that they will be on a greater level of prophecy than Moshe Rabbeinu and that the entire Torah will be revealed through them. The Gerrer Rebbe wrote specifically against that line.
AAQ: “I do not see anything in this piece except a confirmation that a number of gedolim were publicly respectful to R’Kook and unverifiable personal stories that they were not respectful in private.”
It’s the opposite, of course. There are private stories that they worked together in public (so, because they appeared together, that must be they were BFFs…), but numerous public sefarim and letters that condemned either Rabbi Kook himself and/or his writings.
At the recent Zionist rally in D.C., you had rabbis attending a rally while a Christian minister (and Zionist idolaters including agents of Zionist “government” shmad) addressed that rally. Would anybody be so silly as to claim that every rabbi there really held of the Christian minister (and the Zionists)? Obviously not.
This is all nonsense.
AAQ:
I don’t understand why this is a question of them being “frightened”. This whole premise seems silly. They were not frightened of him, of course.Since he had political power, and at some point they needed his assistance to annul some Zionist shmad or whatever it was, they had no choice but to use respectful titles when addressing him. If people choose to take that over every published sefer and letter from across the spectrum that severely condemned either him or his works, or even to claim that it makes it that some did hold and some did not, then they are obviously fooling themselves.
A separate point is that it’s very possible that certain people didn’t know about Rabbi Kook’s heretical works and that’s why they seemed to have “held of him”.
Bottom line is that his works are available to read, and the shocking kefirah therein is still exactly that, and the many gedolim (not just rabbis, but genuine masters of Torah and only Torah and without outside influences) over the decades severely condemned either him and/or his works, including in writing, some of which have been mentioned. It is silly to respond with stories about how x wrote nice titles to him.
Regarding the American side, the three may have worked with each other but, again, that doesn’t mean that Rav Moshe would have allowed public gemara lectures to women, while Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik taught them himself. Nor does it mean that Rav Moshe (and, liHavdil, Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik) would have allowed their official writings to claim that their predecessor was atzmus uMahus in a body. Not at all. Instead, it means that they had a working relationship for when that was needed, not that they in any way approved of him. Rav Aharon Kotler stated that Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik was responsible for all the tuma in America. Yet, Rav Aharon also worked with him, when he felt it was needed. Same idea with Rabbi Kook. I don’t understand why this is so difficult to understand.
Chaim87:
Your refusal to educate yourself does not change the reality. No, it’s not “whitewashing”; that’s what you’re doing.
Of course, they could have – and many did, in seforim and elsewhere – oppose Rabbi Kook. But when they needed his services, they addressed him as was needed.Again, read the sefarim from the Satmar Rav, read the documented public letters from the Gerrer Rebbe and the Brisker Rav (on which many others signed, too). No, there are not two sides to the frum world about Zionism, and there never were. There were certainly many Jews who were confused by Zionism early on – and still today, like you – but the gedolim then knew even decades before the “State” was founded that Zionism was a non-starter and evil. Again, there are sefarim on this, even from then.
I am intentionally omitting the source of this, for hashkafic reasons:
“In 1900, just three years after the First Zionist Congress, a book called Ohr Layesharim was published by ultra-orthodox activists in Warsaw. This book articulated a firm rejection of Zionism…contained dozens of letters condemning Zionism, written by a broad spectrum of the most prominent rabbis of the era, including Rabbi Chaim Soloveitchik of Brisk, and Rabbi Sholom Dovber Schneersohn of Lubavitch.Antipathy towards Zionism, and particularly towards Zionist leaders, formed the backbone of the Haredi attitude during the pre-state era…each with their own approach – such as Agudath Israel, who were willing to work with Zionists without formally recognizing them as authentic representatives of Judaism, and others, such as the Munkatcher Rebbe, Rabbi Chaim Elazar Shapira, who would not contemplate showing Zionism or Zionists any kind of recognition or even acknowledgement – broadly speaking, the Haredi world maintained its stance, namely, that Zionism was created by heretics, and therefore, in every iteration, it continued to be an outgrowth of heresy.”
somejewiknow:
I appreciate it.Rav Yedid points out that it’s possible that a “ruach shtus” overcame Rabbi Kook (due to his being “mekushar kvar im ruach haZman, as the Gerrer Rebbe wrote, or for whatever other reasons), which is what lead him to write (and speak) as he did, but, regardless, and this is the point, the content of those writings is heretical and absolutely unacceptable no matter what he was or wasn’t.
I would also point out that this is not merely academic. First, his writings are being actively promulgated worldwide, not just published in some books if someone wants, which is bad enough. Second, there were physical consequences, even then, to his embrace of nationalism (to which the Gerrer Rebbe referred), like what lead to the Chevron Massacre.
AAQ:
The gedolim of his time, who needed his services as “Chief Rabbi”, obviously had to address him as he expected.
The link describing the Brisker Rav as mentioned above, if the mods allow the link, is: https://yoel-ab.com/katava.asp?id=130
That link also mentions that Rav Chaim Brisker, even back in Europe, did not believe that Rabbi Kook fasted the many fasts that he was reputed to have fasted. It also notes that the source (which Chaim here loves to quote), about how the CC protested against those against Rabbi Kook, is none other than Rabbi Kook’s son Rabbi TY Kook.The gedolim who did not need Rabbi Kook’s services were vehemently against him and referred to him as a “Navi”, like:
Rav Yosef Yedid in “ענין אפיקורוס שצריך למחות עליו”.If the mods allow this link: https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=22671&st=&pgnum=441
It’s a long piece, and worth reading.The Satmar Rav labeled him with all sorts of names like “michabel biKerem Hashem” and much, much more. Both the Satmar Rav and Rav Elchonon Wasserman (in Kovetz Maamarim) labeled Rabbi Kook a “rasha gamur”, based on two different pieces (one each) from Rabbeinu Yonah.
AAQ:
Rabbi Kook was politically powerful. Therefore, when gedolim needed to deal with him, they had to address him as he expected. The Brisker Rav convened a beis din for every single title that he gave to Rabbi Kook when he sent him a letter. Same idea with the Chazon Ish.But why look at stories? Look at sefarim kedoshim by gedolim that address the terrible things that Rabbi Kook wrote.
Chaim87:
No, the Chofetz Chaim and the others did not hold of him. Anyone who reads his works can see very clearly that he said things that were blasphemous. Like the soccer players being on a higher level in prophecy than Moshe Rabbeinu. As the Gerrer Rebbe wrote (documented), this angers the religious to a degree that is impossible to imagine. The Gerrer Rebbe and others also signed on to the Brisker Rav’s published letter that “Religious Zionist” education is a “sea of heresy mixed in with a drop of Torah”. Please educate yourself.SQUARE_ROOT:
Nothing about what I wrote is in any way indicative of Hamas and Hezbollah, despite your Zionist idolatrous take on the same. But the modern Amalekites actually are, of course, the Zionists, as Rav Elchonon quoted from the Chofetz Chaim. Please stop spewing Zionist nonsense in these boards. Surely, Arutz Sheva or something would be very happy for you to do so there.Chaim87:
False. Rabbi Kook, who died well before the “State” was formally created, held specifically of non-violence and imagined that the nations (and Arabs) would welcome the Zionists in their takeover and invasion. That didn’t happen. That’s besides for all the gedolim who severely condemned either him, his anti-Torah writings or both, which means his alleged view is anyways irrelevant.Zionism is shmad. Period. Zionism’s core and purpose is changing Jews and Judaism to Zionists and Zionism. It’s that simple. Therefore, no matter what promises the Zionist make about letting the frum Jews there “preserve their identity”, it’s just a smokescreen. Yes, they might or might not still wear the same clothes as before when the Zionists are done brainwashing them in their army. But the Zionists will do all they can to accomplish their core heresy and stated goal of changing these Jews into Zionists.
And calling this hasmonean is a rich irony (but absolutely par for the course) coming from the Zionists who are way worse than the hellenists against whom the real hasmoneans fought.
All the gedolim who spoke and/or wrote about DL, stated that DL is idolatry and heresy. That’s just the facts.
Rav Elchonon wrote in Kovetz Maamarim that Zionism is idolatry, and “Religious Zionism” is religion and idolatry biShituf.
The Brisker Rav wrote, and the Gerrer Rebbe and others signed on, that the DL education is a “sea of heresy mixed in with a drop of Torah”.m.o.m:
That might depend on the community. In general, many communities have community-type BY schools, where they have all types (within the school’s standards). Also, one would think that the larger Jewish communities would have more options. Finally, I am not familiar with the schools, myself, but I thought there is at least one school (in NJ, as it happens) that does have what you describe.There certainly should be resources out there, both general and Jewish. Learning to read the aleph-bais should be covered by any secular learn-a-language type course on Hebrew, since that alphabet is used for Israel’s Modern Hebrew. There are also Jewish resources, like chinuch.org and others.
For example, if the mods allow the link: https://www.chinuch.org/gradetopic/2/KriyahThey must have some special zechuyos. Wow.
Gedol Hador:
That particular ad seemed fairly small on my screen, not a full-page banner, so I can understand why they might not have realized it’s an issue. But I agree that such an ad has no place on a site targeted to men (and women).SBYG:
Sorry to hear of your pain. May the new year ahead, and even sooner, bring you much joy and kol tuv.
I would suggest discussing this with real daas Torah who doesn’t necessarily know you, so you can BE”H get a real answer. Meanwhile, for whatever little this is worth:I think your question is a very fair one, but the answer would likely be that women are holier by nature, and therefore they don’t need those additional mitzvos including learning Torah as do men, and therefore they can raise children and all that even without needing those extra mitzvos. Consider: why would Hashem set up the world that the women raise the children, if women do not have those Torah and mitzvos that only men have, which would mean that, according to what you understood from what you were taught, children will be raised in a highly deficient way? The answer is seemingly that women don’t need those mitzvos, not that Hashem merely exempted women from them because women are so busy. Also, if women did need them, then Hashem would definitely have figured out a way, as you asked, even though they have children to raise. Of course, He would not “short-change” a woman just because she has a job to do! But women obviously do not need them.
A woman is the akeres haBayis, the one who not only raises the children but also helps the husband progress in his avodas Hashem. And she can accomplish all that even without a chiyuv talmid Torah which is a man’s job to do day and night! A woman, therefore, is obviously on a much different level than a man, not just that she happens to have a different job than does a man. That takes tremendous kedusha, something which a man achieves via learning Torah and doing mitzvos, and which a woman seems to achieve with just the mitzvos that Hashem requires of her as a woman
Regarding accepting mitzvos upon yourself like your brother, you’re still making the same commitment to Hashem to follow His ways and do what He wants you to do; your job happens to be different because you are on a different level, as mentioned, even though his commitment is necessarily more demanding. But you both get to the same place; you just start higher. Chazal say, for example, that “Eishes chaveir kiChaveir”. It doesn’t say that she’s a good assistant to him or that she did her job well; it says that she is considered to be like him. That means that the wife of the Vilna Gaon was considered to be like him even though she didn’t learn 24/7 and didn’t come up with all the Torah that he did, etc.
It does not seem that the curse of Chava has anything to do with the above. Notice that it doesn’t say vehu “yisGadeil” or “yisRomeim” Mimeich. It says yimshol. That’s very, very different.
I hope nobody is silly enough to label you a feminist just because you’re asking a very reasonable question (even if my humble answer is not the answer). I would also add that as you grow more and especially once you marry a ben aliyah, the above should become much clearer to you as you live and experience it, BE”H.
Zionist unity:
Zionism was and is the same idolatry that it always has been, and its army is the same (or even worse) Zionist indoctrination factory of shmad as it was then. No, it is a non-starter as all the gedolim stated both then and, lbc”l, now. And the Chazon Ish did not make a “horaas shaah”; he conveyed basic timeless Torah.Much more recently, Rav Steinman (who passed away a few years ago, unlike the Chazon Ish), told a boy who came to him with his father – trying to convince Rav Steinman to tell his father to let him join a “frum” framework in the IDF – that the boy would come out “a total goy” no matter what IDF framework he would attend.
Please don’t mislead.
chaim_baruch:
You wrote: “…over 7 million Jews live in Eretz Yisrael. Perhaps, they should not have come “like a wall or en masse” in violation of one the three oaths? Yes, because it would have made, more sense to die in Hitler’s (yemach shmo) Europe, Stalin’s Soviet Union or all the Arab countries in the Middle East. Oops, our bad. But staying alive supersedes any Aggagdata in Mesechet Ketubot.”
You obviously aren’t being serious (or, if you are, you’re just mindlessly parroting Zionist nonsense and lies). The Holocaust happened because of the Zionists. As well, the Zionists did their part to ensure that Jews burned in Hitler’s ovens because Zionism was and is above all else in the Zionist idolatrous faith. Jews were also doing just fine in the Arab countries until the Zionists invaded the holy land and set the whole region on fire.
As to the “aggadata”, it is brought down liHalacha on the spot by numerous poskim, and the Rambam himself invokes them as halachically binding in his Iggeres Teiman. The Maharal happens to hold that they are yehareig viAl yaavor, as it happens, too.
modern:
You wrote that “Zionism is central to Judaism. And without the “zionist military enterprise” there would be another Shoah and Judaism would cease to exist in Israel.”Would you swear on a sefer Torah that what you wrote is anywhere remotely close to true, or are you just repeating Zionist propaganda?
Actually, the facts are the opposite; funny how idolatry works. Zionism is the polar opposite of Judaism. Judaism is g0d and Torah-based, while Zionism is godless and nationalist land-based. The Zionist “enterprise” caused, and also contributed to, that shoah. Even the Zionists admit that they prioritized Zionism over rescuing Jews in Europe. But that’s not even the tip of that iceberg. Finally, Judaism was doing just fine in Mandatory Palestine until the Zionists invaded.
simcha613:
The same question could have been asked by parents who wanted to know why other parents didn’t feed their children to the molech idol when that idol was in vogue. Regardless, may Hashem please keep your children and all His children safe and well.You also left out the context here that the chareidim are the native Jews of Ottoman-controlled Palestine while the Zionist interlopers chose to invade and fight the British to get them to leave so that they could pretend to have sovereignty and their forever wars as all the gedolim said would happen. The Zionists chose this fight – and against the wishes of the chareidim living there at the time the Zionists invaded – so, the Zionists can send their idolaters to that fight.
Finally, you left out that joining the Zionist army means converting from Judaism to Zionism and being compelled to violate one or more of the gimmel chamuros for which one must give up one’s life rather than violate.
ujm:
The reason the British closed the borders of Mandatory Palestine to Jews during WW II is, of course, Zionist agitation and war and terror against both them and the Arabs. The US and Canada would not mimic the Brits in this regard, then.SQUARE_ROOT:
The Zionist paradise will surely end when G-d decides to do so, even before Mashiach comes according to some. No, that does not mean any harm to any Jews, CH”V.besalel and others:
In no way did I denigrate him, nor did I intend to. Please read what I wrote, instead of falsely accusing (during Elul).
nishtdayngesheft:
Thank you.It’s not unity of Telz and YU, of course. YU is treif, of course.
That Telz allowed a RIETS rabbinic faculty (can’t call him “Rosh Yeshiva”, because that title is applicable only to a Yeshiva, not to anything in YU) to be maspid Rav Ausband has nothing to do with YU.
Other questions like this include gilgulim. If only one of the two come back as a gilgul, then that also adds another spouse to the mix.
I’ve heard that the neshama splits, which would answer all of those.
ReflectiveNotes:
One could ask the same about the Eigel: let’s agree what the eigel should never have been made. But once it was made – and look at all the “achdus” and the miracles of the satan making it literally dance in front of them – what is the point of being anti-eigel? What is the alternative (especially given that the erev rav-influenced nationalists murdered Chur – whom Moshe Rabbeinu specifically appointed in his absence – because he spoke against the idol)? Of course, Hashem didn’t agree, and struck dead all those idolaters.Decades ago, the Satmar Rav wrote that if the Zionists actually cared about Jewish lives, then the Zionists could go to the UN (yes, that UN) and tell them that they want out, and that the UN should figure out a way to keep all the Jews safe there while ending the Zionist nightmare (for Jews). But even if that UN option were no longer true – and nobody can prove that, but even IF it were no longer true – the major point of “anti-Zionism” is to believe in G-d and His Torah and not in idols.
In other words, G-d runs this world and He doesn’t want the Zionist idol and shmad of His children. The Brisker Rav noted that the Zionist State is the greatest achievement of the satan since the eigel. In hindsight of a century of cataclysmic Zionist damage, this is beyond obvious, too. So, the fact that Hashem very much doesn’t want that State is absolutely true, regardless of the illusory power of the Zionists. So, even if there is no practical human alternative at this time, we still are obligated to turn away from idols and to daven to Hashem for a salvation of His choosing in accordance with His Torah, and recognize that He can do anything, including ending Zionism and vastly improving the lives of the Jews there and everywhere – including but not limited to the geulah sheleimah BB”A.
The other related problem is that praying for that idol gives it spiritual power, as our prayers are very powerful. In fact, as the Brisker Rav noted, that’s what caused the idol State to come into being in the first place: because Jews davened for it instead of the geulah. Both he and the Satmar Rav stated that the geulah would have come then, but that they ruined it. The latter writes this in VaYeChi, if memory serves. So, nobody should repeat that mistake. Daven for the geulah, and that Hashem should keep all Jews safe and well always, and never for the idol. It really is that simple.
There’s so much more that could be said on the topic, BE”H, but that should at least be a start.
yankel berel:
We live in the present, including the shmad of Zionism. Clear as day, the collapse of the Zionist entity will happen sooner rather than later. The Chazon Ish said that it would last, what, 50 years? It’s been more than 1.5 times that already, unfortunately. And the Zionists are fighting the lomdei Torah even more so than before.We absolutely cannot support that idolatrous band of thugs, regardless of the political control they appear to have. We have to daven that Hashem save and protect all His children without praying for idols.
Simcha613:
“UJM- “The Zionist State has been the largest cause of anti-Semitic violence, terrorism, war and deaths r”l against the Jewish People ever since the rasha Theodore Herzl announced the Zionist goals and especially every since the rasha David Ben-Gurion and his henchmen established the Zionist Entity.”I think the physical destruction of the Holocaust and the Soviet Union are miles ahead… as well as the spiritual destruction of Western Europe and the US (in terms of intermarriage).”
The physical destruction of the Holocaust was, of course, caused by that same Zionism and Zionists, including the Zionists lobbying governments against allowing in Jews to their respective countries because that was bad for Zionism. And the spiritual destruction of Western Europe and the US is an after-effect/because of that same Zionist-caused Holocaust.
“I never liked calling myself “Zionist” for obvious reasons. However, these days “Zionist” seems to mean “does not want Israel to be destroyed and everyone killed or expelled”. So I guess, much to my great-grandparents (A”H) chagrin, I’m a Zionist in the eyes of the world.”
This is also a big mistake. I am a Jew and therefore don’t want my brethren anywhere to be harmed. It’s that simple. The Zionists, by contrast, are the opposite. They do only what is good for Zionism, just as they did during the Holocaust, of which they were later proud, too.
“I think many ehriche Yidden are sympathetic to Zionism even when disagree with something. I saw one such charedi British rav being asked by not-so-observant Yidden whether he is a Zionist, and he replied “yes, in the meaning of hamechazir shechinato l’Zion”.”
This is pathetic and sick. It’s like if someone asks if you’re a Jews for J member then you say, yes, in the meaning of Jew. Zionism is the total opposite of Judaism and, in fact, exists specifically to change Judaism into Zionism and Jews into Zionists. That’s a total conversion, not merely a political club.
“The Chofetz Chaim says to bring Mashiach we need to love everyone.”
He obviously did not say what you imply, because there is a mitzva to hate certain evildoers, as Dovid haMelech says in Tehillim: “Halo misanecha Hashem esna…tachlis sina saneisim…”.
But sinas chinam is certainly wrong.
akuperma:
There is a mesorah from Har Sinai, of course. And, yes, we do use a different language on a daily basis, as Lashon HaKodesh is both holy and powerful. Hashem created the world with utterances in that language. No, the language obviously does not change.Lying one (DaMo):
Your idol Zionists shmaded the Yemenites even more than they shmaded the other sefardim and other Jews. Your stories are nonsense, as anyone who knows of sefardim including Yemenites would know. The Brisker Rav sent people on Shabbos to save Jews from the Zionists’ clutches.Avi K:
That’s not an evolution of Lashon HaKodesh. That’s a difference in context. The Tannaim spoke Aramaic, as we know, and any mixing in of (formerly) Lashon HaKodesh there, is no different than the way Yiddish mix in (formerly) Lashon HaKodesh there.ZSK:
100% wrong about Zionist shmad? Had you said 20% wrong or even 50% wrong then that might have been reasonable. But 100% wrong? Every single Yemenite who was caught in the Zionists’ clutches is still holding on to his mesorah from Yemen?And you claim to live in the Zionist paradise? Are you really denying the well-known facts about the Zionist shmad of the Yemenites, throwing overboard their tefillin and priceless sefarim manuscripts and then educating them to be Zionists instead of Jews? Some of those, of course, have moved to other countries after becoming Zionist goyim.
I guess your knee-jerk reflexive defense of the Zionist idol is due to your having learned in a “hesder Yeshiva”, which means that you subscribe to “Religious Zionism” which is idolatry according to the Torah greats like Rav Elchonon, the Brisker Rav, etc.
ujm:
The chassidim intentionally corrupted the proper pronunciation as a counter-force to the maskilim. Presumably, this was an “eis laAsos”-type decision by their esteemed leaders. Unfortunately, they have not switched back, even though those maskilim (and their danger) are gone.As mentioned, with the added exception of those whose havara is corrupted by yiddish (or by a real language), everyone does milEil/milRa the same way, as it should be done, if I am not mistaken.
Regarding the other differences, like many sefardim pronouncing kamatz as patach, it is interesting to note that Persians, who have a common “kamatz” sound in their secular language (Persian), do distinguish between kamatz and patach. So, it is obviously a cultural (i.e., Arabic language) influence that corrupted the general sefardic havara to lose the distinction between kamatz and patach (and the same idea by Ashkenazim who do not distinguish between alef and ayin).
Teimanim have the most number of distinct letter sounds of all, including our English “th” sound – which makes sense as their mesorah was intact from after Bayis Rishon until the Zionists viciously shmaded them – but they also seem to be influenced by their native culture in their not distinguishing between kamatz/patach, if I am not mistaken.
But, again, the point is that Lashon HaKodesh absolutely does not evolve, as G-d made that exactly as He wanted.
Achdus with reshaim is forbidden and is damaging to the soul. Darkei Shalom is very different than achdus; darkei Shalom could be used by gentiles, too, with whom there also is obviously no achdus.
Regarding reshaim, Dovid HaMelech wrote in Tehillim: “Halo misanecha Hashem esna…”
Real achdus is among G-d-fearing Jews, not reshaim who are, at most, irrelevant.I don’t recall ever agreeing with Avi K before, but his point here seems valid. If you want to speak Yiddish because of its long-time use and all that, then that’s one thing. But there are real problems with Yiddish-izing lashon haKodesh, especially how yiddish tends to be largely mil’eil while Lashon haKodesh has many words that are milra.
For example, using the typical mil’eil pronunciation of Yiddish, people mispronounce words like the first word in shema after the two initial declarations, by stating viaHAVta eis instead of ViAhavTA eis.
How people speak Yiddish is not a real concern. Yes, languages can and do evolve; that’s fine. But not lashon haKodesh. G-d made that the way He wanted it. If you improperly pronounce Lashon HaKodesh when davening and laining – if that’s improperly influenced by Yiddish (or for any other reason/culture/whatever) – then that certainly is a concern.
yitzchokm
The terms for a poster who posted that would be “leitz” and “malshin”.simcha613: When the Zionists first began their invasion a century or so ago, the Jews living in then-Palestine, including Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld ZT”L, begged the Zionists to go away and to stop inflaming the Arabs and causing the Arabs to hate Jews (thinking that other Jews are Zionists). The Chevron Massacre is a good example of this; the marauding Arabs murdered the talmidei chachamim (non-Zionists, of course) in the Chevron Yeshiva because their European features made the Arabs conclude that they, too, were Zionists who were threatening their Al Aqsa – as opposed to the sefardim in the town whom the savages did not touch because they knew that the sefardim there were not Zionists.
Actually, it was the Zionist provocations that caused those very white papers, and the borders to be closed, of course. Think: the British had recently issues the Balfour Declaration, which was rather magnanimous, even though, as they noted, the Zionists read far more into it than they intended (and wrote). The whole point was to allow Jews a safe haven in then-Palestine under British control. So, why would the British then follow that up with the White Papers? The answer, of course, is Zionist provocation of the Arabs. Had the evil Zionists not invaded, the doors would have remained wide open. There also would not have been a Holocaust, in the first place, if not for Zionism, but that’s a separate related point.
Your kefirah about the gimmel shevuos is, of course, disgraceful. The Maharal stated that they are indeed yeHareig viAl Yaavor. It’s also abysmally stupid to violate those oaths (and to mock the same) given what Hashem said he would do – and unfortunately did – in response. But to answer your question, even Rabbi AY Kook was against establishing a State via war. The few Rabbanim in Agudah who (unfortunately) gave their tentative approval to such a “State” did so only on a number of conditions including that it would be fully peaceful, not forever wars as all the gedolim for a century predicted Zionism would be.
In writing that “The World gave us a state when the British left and then the new state was invaded by the Arabs.”, you’re simply parroting Zionist lies and propaganda. What actually happened, as written above, was that the Zionists terrorized and fought against the British, forcing them to leave, and then blatantly disregarded the UN directive that they were going to start a new Mandate there by founding their “State” and started their first of many wars with the Arabs. This included the Zionists attempting to take Jerusalem, also explicitly against the UN which told the Zionists that Jerusalem should be an international city, which caused the British-trained Jordanians to enter that war, which caused the deaths of even more Jews on the altar of Zionism and also the loss of access to the Kosel Maaravi.
SQUARE_ROOT:
Your recent reply to my post in this discussion is based on three things:
[1] Denial
[2] Ignorance
[3] ZionismThis is nonsense, as some have already noted, as the Zionists invaded against the wishes of the Jews there and have shmaded and impoverished generations of Jews. But the topic itself is also inaccurate. The greatest supporter of Torah in the world – even before the Zionists further impoverished the Jews under its unwanted control – is, instead, Russian President Vladimir Putin.
All the tired pro-Zionist nonsense is really pathetic.
“The Satmar Rav didn’t hold of his own Torah because he tried to live there and supposedly said to vote in municipal elections?” He never said you can’t live there (of course you could – as per the shevuos). Municipal elections have zero to do with “National” Elections. This is ridiculous.DaMoshe, I am of course not a navi, but both the Satmar Rav (on vaYechi, if memory serves) and Brisker Rav stated explicitly that Moshiach would have come back then if Jews had prayed for that instead of the idol State.
simcha613:
As they say in learning, “boich sevaras” are just that, all the more so when they go against the Torah.
The Brisker Rav stated that nothing can help Klal Yisrael other than fulfillment of the Torah. And the whole Zionist disaster has been extremely anti-Torah in numerous ways.Kibbutz galuyos does not mean Jews returning to E”Y against the Torah. And, as for your sevara’s logic, there is, of course, nothing stopping Hashem from ejecting all those Jews from the land. Many are anyways living in hotels, as it happens, thanks to the Zionists’ latest war and overall disaster. You could also say sevaras just the opposite of yours, because we say twice per day how Hashem said he will eject sinners from His land.
The quotes are likely nonsense, regardless of in what book they appeared.
As emesayid pointed out, many people thought that the general political atmosphere conveyed a sign that Hashem was about to bring the geulah. The truth is that He was, except that people prayed for the Zionist State instead, so that’s what He gave them. So sad.