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Tango, where are goyim sseing that yidden are beating one another? Oh, you think that they read the fake news in coffee room?
I’m scratching my hand to check if I’m dreaming or living in reality – reading a real post.
Some anonymous nik created news with screaming headlines, news that is totally baseless, the police didn’t make any arrests, there was no court to give a chance for 2 sides to present their case, and here someone comes after a bad dream, shooting up fake news with a straight face stating that those are “the facts”, what a joke.
And it’s unbelievable that so many ppl shoul fall for it and right away buy any garbage someone is selling them, look at those rants! is this the “am chacham venavon”?Anybody recall OU scandal with sardines 2 years ago? unfortunately their level of trust and their standard of kashrus is very shady..
2 cents, I don’t have the piskei teshuvos in front of me, but as far as I remember it’s in the latest edition hilchos shabbos, chapter 257.
2 cents, this is a sheila you havta ask a rav, not anonymous commentators public forum..
But I will give you some clue where to start, the piskei teshuvos has a long teshuvah debating the sides for issur and heter, even though he’s showing many poskim that would’nt allow it on shabbos, he’s more or less maikil on it.
when I installed my cameras i asked a prominent rav and he told me as long it isn’t “motion detecting” it’s not a problem.
I’m also getting ready to close up my internet, will stay with email only iy”h, it ain’t easy, but since the asifa it’s bugs me and irks me, and I feel I have to get rid of the internet in order to get closer to hashem.
I have K9 on my computers quite a while, and its wonderful! no slowdowns, simple to install, and its free!
Zeeskite, what a wonderful article!
ZD, I’ve realized that for what ever reason you’ve been bashing out at this asifa from day one, so obviously u have an agenda..
The people that came did it voluntary, there wss no mashgiach from any mosad or shul to check if anybody was there, there’s no way to sift thru 60,000 people, so the lie of being “pressured’ to come is void and null, the emotions on most atendees was very obvious, and the results of this massive kinus leshaim shomayim is bringing unbelievable results at an unexpected scale.
Ashrecho yisroel!
Kol hakovod Msseeker! I’m doing the same iy”h, web is a time killer and is 99% negative vs. 1% positive!
After 3 years heavy on the net, I’ve actually done almost 2 years email only! was not easy the first few weeks, but then it was gan eden hatachton! I had more time for my family, more time to learn, and more time to make money..
As of now I’m limiting my time on the web, but this may also go out of hand as one gets the attachment back, so at the asifa I decided to quit the internet iy”h.
If this would happen I’d be so grateful I’d dance all day..
My point actually was, it’s very obvious that people have much more hatred to a real “frum” person who is not exactly what he’s pretending to be, rather than a not so frum person who’s caught with things he/she is pretending to be much higher than this level.
Thanks Soliek for explanation, I’ll also add a small story, when some TV program ran e serious of exposing people active in very indecent activity, (don’t wanna go into details), and they operated with an organiztion booby trapping those criminals, having them arrested on the spot by hiding police officers, and then showing the entire episode on live TV, dozens of people showed up to those “spots”, bringing shame and agony upon themselves, at one occassion a so called “Rabbi” showed up to one of the “spots”, this conservative Rabbi with no skull cap or tzitzit on himself, was not so much for the Torah as he was for “etiqutte” and manners, dina de’malchusa etc. as he wasn’t really keeping the Torah.
Regarding whom hashem hates, there are several maamarei chazal on this topic, like one who walks in the house suddenly without notice or knocking, one who is “echad bapeh v’echad balev” (a faker, not necessarilly a frum one..), the gemara also says Hashem hates “zimah”, which includes all forms of “zenus”, and which would include one who publicly announces his/her sexual vows and “adultery” in public.
hello pals, may some body here please explain and elaborate on the term “frum fakers”? does this mean someone who pretends to be a shomer shabbat, but in reality isn’t? does it mean someone who wears ultra frum gear, but is really more of a “modern” type, or someone who dresses chassidish and deep down in his heart he is a litvak, or some one who’s acting like a shomer torah and is actually a baal aveira?
Please enlighten me. Thanks.
Syag, your question looks very far fetched from reality, but lets say her cycle turns down very quick, and her silly hot air fame wears off, she gets kicked out of her apt. because she’s penniless, and she’s being dumped like a piece of garbage by her fifth BF, and she realizes that it’s time for teshuva, she can definitely do teshuva like everyone elase is, as is stated in Rambam, Shaarei teshuva, and more seforim, when someone does teshuva you’re not allowed to tell them ‘remember your old sins”, and you’re obligated to love that person.
But, she has quite a bit of homework to do in order to do teshuva, she has a lot of people to personally apologize when she feels she wants to become a real BT.
Feif un, I hope you’re just misinformed, and not deliberately twisting the well known facts, this major scandal in Monsey that rocked the whole world had a hashgacha of a ashkenazi “yekke” rav, running a congregation of “clean shaven” members, he is as far from chassidish as you are..
It’s very simple, the chassidish hasgachos (as I said before, this includes yeshivish frum hashgachos as well) have different standards, starting with cholov akkum (not going in debates whether one can be “maikel” on it or not, it’s definitely a compromise in kashrus by all means), bishul akkum, hefsed meruba’s with the large companies, way and system of koshering, bedieved’s, and the list goes on.
p.s. again, the term chassidish doesn’t automatically make a hashgacha reliable, some of the private so called chassidish hashgachos are worth no more than a full air balloon, but the strict and reliable ones are of way way higher standards than the national ones..
I have a close relative with a net income of more than 150k, and he’s crying like a baby and always struggling, his brother with more kids, totaling a gross income of merely 60k a year, covers nicely, managing and making his payments on time.
Besides their very different living standard, house, car, clothing etc. they live in different neighborhoods, where the tuition prices are very different, and living standard as well.
But I know people earning all jobs together less than 50,000 a year, some are struggling, some have to get public assistance as food stamps and health coverage, and some aren’t eligible and are struggling.
Home sweet home! nothing beats home beruchnius and begashmius, especially on Pesach that requires so many chumros more than any other time of the year, enjoy at home a real zeman chairusainu.
Its no general rule that chassidish hashgachas are more on top of the food producers, or known to have more mashgiach temidi’s, in fact some of the private run chassidic hashagchos are not worth too much at all.
But, most chassidish hashgachos have much more chumros and restrictions, and in many cases more of a zero tolerance standard, especially when you’re talking about the big national kashrus org’s, dealing with huge non Jewish companies, that officially have to lower their standards to be able to survive with those “big boys”, versus the frum smaller companies (not necessarily chassidish) have the open option to choose which manufacturer plant to use and with which food processor they would have less kashrus issues, so they can meet a much higher standard.
The chassidic hashgachos are usually also subject to much more scrutiny and challenge by their clientele than the national ones, and the term “chassidish” does not necessarily mean chassidish, it includes a big part of the yeshivish world, its a general term for more strict standards, which it obviously is.
Zeeskite, thumbs up, for every word ?????? ????, and ???? ?? ??? ??.
Soliek, I must admit, I was moved by your story, but, that does not explain why should side with such a filthy book, I see you did soften up a bit lately, but every bit you still feel for this book and still “have feelings” to this author, has to be replaced by working on more ahavas hashem.
Gut shabbos to everyone in the coffee room and abroad.
I have no time to be busy with debating same subjects again and again, yesterday a few leftists demanded to bring a list of lies in the book, (although it’s irrelevant if it’s lies or not), a few major lies were brought up – as an example for the rest of the book – by a few posters, now they are singing a different song, hence, why don’t you pity this “poor kid nebach”.. which in a way she may have had a more difficult life than the average friends of hers, but non of the above issues is relevant here, the issue is the mess she created with this nasty book she released for her personal gain and ego, same with her interviews, she is ready to sell her whole nation and brethren for her own silly interests, and this has no justification, all twists and pitying issues are irrelevant here
last night a neighbor approached me to help a yid from EY who is to marry off 2 kids, and his wife is sick, I realized he’s busy with this cause day and night for a while, I asked him what’s his relation to this person, I was surprised to hear that not only is he non related to him, he actually never even met him before, he saw him in shul collecting, and he found a few minutes to talk to him private, so he confided to him, and after a brief research he started getting fully involved, unbelievable! yisroel kedoshim.
Rabbi Isamar Ginzburg, thumbs up, very well said.
metrodriver, thanks for elaborating.
Soliek, still doesn’t make a bit of sense, that someone who pretends to be a full observant yid should be here around the clock to defend this garbage can filthy book full of lies, distortion, twists and exaggerations in order to make all frum yidden look bad. don’t day you’re not trying to defend it, because this is exactly what you’re doing, and this raises a big question mark, or an explanation mark.
gavra_at_work, first of all, she was not rejected, she had friends, and she was treated very fairly in school and everywhere, it was her decision to leave the torah life and go for her lusts.
Dear Soliek, if I offended you then I a’m apologizing, I didn’t mean to label you with something that you aren’t in reality, but honestly, reading your posts I was sure you don’t understand her numerous lies and blown up stories because you’re unfamiliar with yiddishkeit and torah, so if you are a shomer torah, be me moichel for that accusation.
But, if you do have connection to torah as you said, how come you don’t see anything wrong in this filthy book, and you side and fight for this evil writer, how do those 2 things go together?? We’ve heard misguided people going off derech, especially from broken homes, but what justification does this unfortunate lady have to go and publicize a book against hashem, the torah and yidden? and what justifies you to side with this trash, and cover for it?
Regarding the title ‘meshumedes’ I called this freak, is because this is exactly what the meshumadim used to do in all generations back to churban habayis till our times, they used to publicize excerpts from the torah or chazal and the sonai yisrael were poking fun of it, they used to publish books mocking yidden and the torah just like this woman does, so she worked to deserve this title meshumedes.
Going off the derech was unfortunately all the years, it just affecting us in “real time” when it hits home, when you know the boy or girl that nebech got lost to his/her temptations and uncontrollable lusts.
I have a friend, he was leading a beautiful life, 2 kids, special wife, [not too frum, well dressed and “taken care” etc.], and he was simply carried away by Facebook, when he gave the get he couldn’t stop crying, he knew he didn’t want this to happen, he cried for the happy and full life he’s giving up, but he was like a detainee in his own prison.
Zahavasdad, “we” are not chasing anybody away, [BTW, I’m not sure who “we” in your vocabulary is, since u don’t appear to know much of Torah or Judaism], if u read her book, u obviously realized that she has major issues with Torah & halacha, she has a problem with being “unclean” 2 weeks, she has issues with asking sheilos, (making fun of it), she has issues with the torah period. And the same yetzer hara that “chased away” many resha’im & meshumadim past 3000 years, same yetzer hora chased away this poor lost soul, but the yetzer hora didn’t exactly chase her away, he’s actually holding on to her, with a strong grip.
Soliek, are you really looking for the list of lies? it does not appear to be the case, I just mentioned one big fat blatant lie, another poster right after me did as well, and throughout this long thread many lies were brought to everyones attention, but since you have an agenda, and you’re not interested at all in getting a list, due to your hate to the Torah [nebech] you just want to cover up for this meshumedes, and you want to encourage the ennemies of Hashem and the Jewish nation, you enjoy seeing the Torah and Jews being mocked and subject to stupid false accusations and scrutiny, so I wouldn’t waste another minute for such a cause.
To those who want the “list of the lies”;
first of all, if one of you is observant even to a minimal extent – you see many outright lies, especially when talking of “intimate” stuff, [which I don’t wanna go in to as not to get dirty..], almost every subject where she’s mocking the torah, let alone frumkait or chassidus, it’s lie after lie, or in the best case exaggerations blown way out of proportion, marking everything with a dark black marker.
If you have a problem finding it yourself, you’re obviously very far away from Torah umitzvos, don’t know how many generations exactly.
But just to name one, is the real old time blood libel with a father killing a son because he acted inappropriately, #1, if u belive the story just from hearing it, your not only far away from Jewish life and jewish people, but also full of hate. #2 the medical records show he was 19 or 20 years old, while she stated fact of the matter that he was 13! no difference between 13 and 20? blatant lie!!
#3, besides, I happen to know the father, he did work for us not long before that story upstate NY, I’ve heard all details at time being, this boy was nebach mentally unstable, while the father is a super calm, nice and friendly person, and would’nt be oiver on “loi tirzach”, but again, if you’re here to “love” all meshumodim and rebels, and “hate” all ehrlicha yidden, there’s no reason in arguing with you or bringing up again and again many of the lies that were mentioned numerous times throughout the last 400+ posts.
What a beautiful and wonderful article.
Indeed all those agencies/groups don’t ask anybody how frum they are before lending a helping hand, I’m sure even if this “unorthodox” rebel will be sick in the hospital, bikur cholim will gladly help her out, and hatzalah would give her proper care when needed. They are non discriminative, just out to help a brother/sister in need or in despair.
I like the way you put it down in reality, keep it up!
Fact: those Mehadrin bus lines that are still private, like Beth Shemesh, Beitar etc. are also being challenged by the frum hating activists, and provocators boarded those buses on more than one occasion to provocate and get some media attention.
well, it really depends whom you consider “hamon am”, most of the hamon am I’m surrounded by, the majority is makpid for Magen Avraham l’chatchila, only some would rely on the Gr”a.
BTW, the Chabadnik’s are also relying on that second zeman, cuz the Shulchan aruch harav (Tanya) also accepted that zeman.
OK, I see I have to elaborate AND continue where I made the “short stop”..
A lot of charedi areas are running their private bus lines, like from beth Shemesh/yerushalayim, Beitar/yerushalayim etc, and some bus lines in the past were also run by private firms throughout cities like Yerushalayim and town to town under the name “Mehadrin”, because they wanted separate lines, they chose to not sit side by side with the neighbor’s wife, rather next to one of the same gender.
Till Egged (aka Rosa Parks?) saw they might lose a lot of business, so they fought those bus lines, and they offered to provide themselves separated buses, now some secularists are ought to destroy all of this, because they hate Torah, and they hate charedim and they just want to turn the holy land into a secular pritzus’dik place.
Summary, non of the charedim ever fought that Tel Aviv, Eilat, Haifa or even the secular areas of Jerusalem or Beth Shemesh should be forced to use separate buses, they never hung out signs asking to dress modestly in all those secular or dati areas, cuz they’re not out to force their lifestyle on the chiloni’s, but the opposite does happen. Hashem yerachem.
A manager of a food mart in BP told me he had many customers demanding he stop bringing it in, some because they think its maskili style, and even more cuz of the silly mishap last week with the front cover showing swastikas on the white house.
NMB is excellent choice for quiet vacation, most houses there are private “cottages”, some have private pool, there’s khal chassidim with mikva, next door there’s a nice kollel and shul (litvish ashkenaz) and chabad nearby, a few heimish groceries including a huge “Amazing savings” food market, also big shopping center close to heimish area.
As much the secular media and secular (or symopathizers) are busy talking about charedim forcing their way on to them, it turns out to be just the opposite!
The secularists are running a full fledged campaign to destroy the charedi lifestyle, even wity things that are happenning deep within the communities, like giving instructions the hard way which signs may hang, and which signs must be ripped down by police with all jew hating TV stations attending with their cameras drawn, nad the bus lines that are used 99.9% by frum jews should be banned, because once upon a time there was a brave lady named Rosa parks, blah blah…
Just for information purposes, there’s no “group” called sikrikim, there are many groups and sectors, Gur, Belz, Satmar Toldos, Viznitz etc, there are groups like neturei Karta, establisments like rabanut, Edah charedit, Agudah, voting parties and fractions, there is no group called “sikrikim”, it’s a slur the secular media, or collaborators would throw on any frum person/people they dislike.
I’ve also experienced it here when I sometimes say an opinion that some posters would start getting personal or sticky, what I do, either I ignore, or if I realize that’s really not my “cup of coffee” I just walk out of that thread and find a different type of coffee to blabble on..
cherrybin, this is exactly what the owner of the store said, and the eye witnesses said that the store owner came out with an unbelievable rage and started slapping and punching rihght and left, and he broke his finger while hiiting someone, and yes, some ppl whom he started with gave him back in self defense.
Store owner does not have any witnesses to confirm his account, Weissfish had many witnesses.
Moi, no, I’m not employed by YWN, I’m actually quite new to this beautiful heimish “real yiddish” news site, what gets me to be so supportive and loyal to YWN is very simple;
I’ve recently emigrated to Yeshiva World from a different “so called” famous/infamous yiddish news site, with such a tense atmosphere, I couldn’t take it anymore, always siding with the most leftist minds and comments, provocative hateful headlines, appears they have sort of a “vacuum hose” with an extended antenna that sucks in all dirt and filth onto their site, every loshon hora on a yid in the world, with some basis or totally baseless would appear on that site with inciting nasty headings, positive news on observant yidden would hardly find the place there, they would host the most controversial op-eds and provocative editorials, as long as it can please the far leftists, the moderators are mean and partial, I’d actually extend the term to “bigotic”, with not too much sense or judgment, manipulating comments and posts, and lately they were so flooded with old time apikorsim with crooked minds posting their hashkafa in the comments there and preaching their hate on religious observant yidden and mocking the Torah, even non yidden are very welcomed there with their twisted ideas on yiddishkeit and yidden, and the silly or hateful comments are gladly being posted there, vs. very many of ehrliche comments are ignored or removed discriminately. basically a ehrliche yid or his post is not welcomed there.
Some of my friends laughed at me why I would just waste my time on that torah hating site that they dumped long ago, “just move over to YWN, an awesome and appealing site, with much more than just news”, I accepted the advice, and this is exactly what I did, and I’m glad I did..
So stepping in here I was just delighted, seeing heimishe sensible posts, balanced news reports, sitting in the warm coffee room over a hot cup of coffee while chatting and airing out any issue or subject in a normal friendly atmosphere.
Thanks YWN again.
He’s twisting the meanings of the chazal, but that’s not the point.
The point is, this provocative hateful article against the torah and torah observers is a painful example of the deep hatred sitting and breeding in the hearts of a big portion of the secular population in holy land, and is being preached by the media, and this explains very much whats happening in EY, and what the charedi population is facing day after day.
I would agree that the heading should have been written different, with more feelings towards another yid, especially when the subject still maintains his innocence, and there is no evidence against him except for the word of the owner of the store, so this whole story may be lashon horah, hotzoas shem ra, plus a very extreme headline against an observant yid.
BUT, talking about stupidity as boycott etc. on the awesome most precious yiddishe website YWN is ridiculous, its from the only famous popular sights covering positive news on charedi yidden almost as much as negative, while other populr sites may totally ignore many positive stories of ehrliche yidden, only bringing out the bad side copying the frum hating Israeki news sites with provocative captions.
Yeshiva world wouls bring stories that show the misery that a lot charedim are going thru by the chiloni charedi hating neighbors.
And, as a result YWN has the biggest clientele of heimishe yidden, versus some other famous/infamous sites that have many non yidden or half yidden posting there.