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That was a beautiful post, LU.
But you’re still a newcomer here.
Every poster has their own game.
This has been Wolf’s game for years.
You get kind of used to it after a while, though he seems to be upping the ante a bit lately in an attempt to keep us on our toes and paying attention.
I don’t totally disagree with Lightb’s suggestion of “a professional in the health field” but I would think a little CR attention will go a long way.
Sorry to interrupt your thread, OP, but every time I see the title I keep hearing myself say,
“He’avar ayin, ve’he’assid adayin, ve’ha’hoveh kehereff ayin, da’aga minayin?”
So don’t worry about the past. One way or another, we all have pasts.
May your future be bright and happy!
Because their sugar content is too low and you can’t make any wine or alcoholic beverage from them.
(Those little husks look cute though. Kind of like a little tomato in a Purim costume.)
No need to worry and argue.
I have revived all the relevant threads, or cheat sheets if you prefer, wherein the posters of old have already answered all the questions.
BUMP
BUMP
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No need for a disclaimer Mammele.
We know you’re not a doctor.
And your advice is always kind and wise.
The medical consultations here seem to be a logical progression of the Halachic inquiries that keep popping up no matter how often people post AYLOR. You’re better off posting an answer than posting AYLMD. Which will be ignored. Trust me on that.
Bmyer is being melamed zchus?
On whom?
How?
I believe the word is SARCASM.
Went right over your head did it?
How do you say dry ice in Ivrit?
See the mefarshim on Iyov’s words,
“Toleh eretz al blimah”
All the heavenly bodies are in constant motion. Look at the night sky.
Even if we see the earth revolve around the sun, that doesn’t prove that the earth is not the center.
Zdad I think you’re alluding to the fact that the earth revolves around the sun.
Even taking that into consideration though, as we humans observe the universe with our eyes or telescopes from here on earth, that makes the earth the center of the universe to us. The universe is vast, and from our perspective we are at the center, even as we seem to revolve around the sun.
The heliocentric diagrams you saw in science class might have helped explain things, but you can place the earth at the center of the diagram too. It’s just like the globe your geography teacher used that always put Antarctica at the bottom; you could put the penguins in the middle or on top and still get a representation of the placement of the continents and oceans.
Am I making you dizzy?
You shouldn’t be getting your answers here Lightb.
No yays.
I hear you, WinnieTP.
Please note, I said “less baloney”, not- “no baloney”.
You are correct that a no-baloney-diet would dispense with a good number of threads.
On the other hand, a too-much-baloney-diet seems to be giving the mods indigestion.
Lightb, it’s great having you here, and I don’t mean to offend by giving you the same advice again and again. I’ll take a guess a lot of my posts go unread so you might not have heard this from me before?–
The CR can be a fun place. Or a waste of time. Or a distraction. Or whatever you make of it.
The CR is NOT the place to direct real questions regarding Kashrus, Hilchos Shabbos, or any inquiries regarding Halacha in practice.
I hope there’s a Rav somewhere out there who can answer your questions.
Back to the subject at hand-
Is anyone here old enough to remember MM delivered on the sender’s plate, the recipient then removing the homemade delicacies and returning the plate?
(Full disclosure- I don’t actually remember seeing this, but I heard about it.)
Chaval al de’avdin…
This thread is making me miss the people no longer on my MM list. And their baking. We already know what the entree will be in Sukkas oro shel leviyasan, but somehow I think they’ll be the balabustas in charge of dessert.
Express away, LilmodU!
But be brief…
😉
Or maybe, WinnieTP, it will encourage all of us to think before we hit the keyboard, and write simply and clearly.
Our new motto can be: Less baloney, more substance.
By the way, have you read your subtitle lately?
You mean it wasn’t a problem for — You!
Sometimes I wonder how the Mods keep their sanity plodding through some of the longer posts day after day after … Uh oh.
Before I’m clipped/ zapped/ truncated, let me just say-
“Brevity is the soul of wit.”
(…Where have you heard that before?? )
Oh.
Group-of-bored-guys-pretending-to-be-a-girl-posting-inane-questions-about-seminaries-Troll
As you were told, LB, what you’re referring to applies to sentencing a person to death.
In general, consensus on Halachic issues is not a bad thing, and is not indicative of any errors or miguided thinking.
What did the Mods do to Lightb?
Was it something she said?
A technical difficulty?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone blocked mid-word.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/moderation-memo-re-post-length#post-648357
Syag it’s so nice to know someone else remembers!
Maybe we even actually shared MM somewhere sometime…
😉
Lightb / OP,
I’m not here to share cookies or hamentashen.
But seemed to me nobody answered your question: what people used to send in olden times.
While I’m not old enough to have received MM in the days when the Mitzvah was instituted (sorry to disappoint), I was around in what some people think of as ancient times.
People sent home baked goods. Ladies baked all their own favorite cakes and cookies and arranged a variety on a plate with one non-mezonos item. Sometimes that was an orange or an apple, sometimes it was a slightly more exotic fruit, and sometimes a small bottle of wine or whiskey was added.
I still remember my mother’s friends, many no longer with us, by their own specialties, and by whose MM the kids fought over.
This speaks for one community, chased out of their homes in Eastern Europe by the Nazis, who rebuilt their lives in America and tried to do things the way they were done back home.
I remember as a child receiving MM from more “American” families who had spent more time on these shores, and looking in puzzlement at the bag of chips and the bottle of beer accompanied by the ubiquitous orange, sitting sadly on a plate with nothing homemade accompanying them on their MM journey.
Time passed. The delectable many-layered delicacies, lovingly baked by skilled hands, were replaced by small tins of hastily home-made brownies and a hamentash, often bakery made.
Then a new minhag evolved, popularly known as a “THEME”. The costumes of the bearers of gifts must correspond to the foodstuffs in the MM. So pint-sized doctors will deliver syringes filled with whatnot, little builders will bring you candy lego bricks, deep sea divers will deliver jelly fish, tiny tots in sombreros will deliver tacos, and somewhere there’s always one dejected little boy who wanted to be a policeman but his mother put him in a bunny costume so he could deliver her carrot muffins.
It’s wonderful to see everyone concerned about the Kashrus of the foods we ingest on a day when there’s so much eating going on. After all, Seudas Purim is one of those times when we perform a Mitzvah just by enjoying our meal. But don’t forget the feelings that are supposed to be in your heart as you send and receive MM, even before one morsel enters your mouth.
Okay so the person who asked the question took off.
There are still plenty of CR members left though.
Nobody has the answer?
Nobody cares?
Seems not…
Tastes have changed around here apparently.
Come to think of it I haven’t seen a recipe thread in ages…
So this is where we stand, Zdad & everyone,
I said you didn’t have to take my word for it because even I wasn’t taking my word for it, because I had no actual sources to prove my statement.
Nechomah made the same statement I did. She also didn’t back herself up with a source but isn’t bothered by that and is confident that she’s correct.
LilmodU gives Nechoma’s (unsubstantiated) statement +1. She says, “I don’t have a source off-hand and I don’t have time to look for one,” but is likewise unconcerned about that minor point.
So you don’t have to trust me, but you may trust Nechomah and LU.
They won’t steer you wrong.
Zdad, AFAIK Tinok Shenishba refers to a Jew.
Tinok Sh. is not a concept used in relation to non-Jews who are required to keep 7 Mitzvos B’nei Noach.
That’s a pretty big “AFAIK” though. This is a serious subject and you don’t want to take my word for it.
Even I don’t want to take my word for it.
Unfortunately it looks like the more learned posters- the ones who can give us actual sources and proofs- are bored of, or uninterested in, this discussion.
The logical question to follow is how are they supposed to know the 7 Mitzvos? Are we expecting they would just figure them out their own?
It seems to me we’re expecting these Mitzvos to be the norm in civilized society. That’s if there is such a thing as civilized society in the secular world today. That would depend on how we define “civilized”.
If it’s enough to be connected in at least 3 ways to social media and to carry that connection around in your pocket wherever you go, then much of society today is civilized.
If we begin to impose certain behaviors and attitudes as a prerequisite for being called civilized, then I’m afraid we’re going to be wandering the streets like Yirmiyahu when he looked for one oseh mishpat mevakesh emunah.
Not exactly kind words, LF.
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No particular suggestion, sorry, but-
Hope you feel better soon, LilmodU!
Joseph-
“Tipper” ??!?
You’re right WinnieTP. As I’m sure you know you are!
The point I was making by introducing Mitzrayim into the discussion is that maintaining a separate cultural identity, and avoidance of assimilation into mainstream society, are not modern innovations. This so-called “chareidi” behavior is not something we suddenly came up with in the last couple of centuries.
Interesting, ubiq, that no such medrash actually exists.
So many of the things “someone says” (reminds you af anyone around here?) when you learn growing up, are actually quotes that come from nowhere at all. Then you spend years hearing from men who learned from the real sources what it really says. So thanks for making that clear!
As for Bnei Yisrael’s distinction (or lack of it) in Mitzrayim, they were “metzuyanim sham”. I always understood that as meaning that they did maintain their cultural differences, but picked up some really nasty behaviors from the immoral Mitzrim. If you want to learn it differently, feel free. You certainly don’t want to draw conclusions from some anonymous person on the CR…
sorry for the edit, wasn’t sure if you meant it in the way it came out…
Can someone please state the exact number of years since Yetzias Mitzrayim?
Am I correct that we’re in the range of three thousand and three hundred years?
And can someone (could be the same person) please list the 3 things we didn’t change back there in Egypt?
Although we sunk to 49 shaarei tumah, keeping away from secular influences brought us the geulah.
You can draw 2 separate conclusions.
Please choose whichever —
Either:
Bnei Yisrael kept away from secular influences in ancient times.
Or:
Yotz’ei Mitzrayim, as evidenced by the shtreimel-clad men in the pictures our little ones bring home from Yeshiva, were chareidim.
P.S.
As for secular influence in education, you may be familiar with the Medrash that Yakov Avinu sent Yehuda ahead when they were going down to Mitzrayim to prepare batei medrash.
And for avoidance of secular influence in general, just read any of the psukim in the Torah telling us to make sure we’re not influenced by the previous inhabitants of the Land of Israel as we’re about to enter and conquer it.
^^It’s not proper for a male to be in back of a female. If the driver is a female, I’d suppose she should drive in reverse.^^
These are the words of Little Frog
Our friend in the CR
He tells the ladies on this blog
How they must drive a car
If a man should need a hitch
To help him in his way
Into reverse your car you switch
And you can save the day
While all the rest with criticism
Bemoan our lack of tznius
L Froggie jokes with witticism
And gives us back our chiyus!
Lightb, the only time you have to eat for the Mitzvah is when you have to eat for the Mitzvah. And in that case you have to eat a specific amount, not just taste a little. As in Hamotzi at the Shabbos seuda. As in Matzah and Maror on Pesach (no wrinkling your nose and saying it doesn’t appeal), and arba kosos if we’re including drinking as well as eating. As in any food at all on Erev Y”K.
There are other foods that are a good idea, like the fruit you no doubt just ate on 15 Shvat, and the fried foods you may have indulged in on Chanukah, but there’s no need to make yourself sick.
I do miss the gefilte fish threads though.
Sushi inspired threads just aren’t the same…
Yes, completely seriously, ubiq.
When there is any change in the form of a verb or a noun that differs from the form of a standard one there’s a reason, including but not limited to the presence of a letter that can’t get a dagesh (such as an aleph or a hei or an ayin or others) or similarly a letter that can’t get s shva. Unlike English (go/went; eat/ate; is/was; like/liked; buy/bought; bring/brought; sing/sang) which makes (make/made) no sense at all.
If you think there are rules broken in Hebrew without explanation, it’s because you can’t figure out the reason, not because there isn’t one.
Loq, LF
Only if you dress his baby sister in a burka, Lightb.
Are you by any chance familiar with the expression-
“shtuyot b’mitz agvaniot” ?
(In case not, you’re quoting some rather odd misguided “someone”s lately. What’s going on? You seem to have missed entirely what I said to you about Ahavas Yisrael in a different thread. Very commendable of you to choose to love everyone. Not such a great idea to be as indiscriminate in choosing whom to learn from.)
*** Please, like everyone else said, BE CAREFUL with blankets and anything else you put near a little baby’s crib or bassinet!
Amazing Litvos!
Learning a whole new alphabet.
Undertaking to learn new languages.
Impressed.
I agree that learning Hebrew will be difficult, but here’s something that might make it feel less daunting- It’s a totally phonetic language. Once you learn to read, you can read. No nonsensical silent letters and letters that can make two, three, or four different sounds like in English. And the grammar – known as “dikduk” – has no exceptions to the rule. There are a lot of rules, but every word can be dissected to its roots and to the particular rules it follows. In fact dikduk, which means grammar, also means precision.
I hope that makes the language seem a little more accessible, and not more impossible!
McFive, when I was in E”Y a few years ago and my husband asked our Rav a similar question, he told us that we should ask a poseik IN ERETZ YISRAEL.
Has Joseph ever done so in the past?
Not that I recall…
But my attendance here is far from perfect.
Unless my memory fails me
– which it often does 🙁 –
I think this might be the first mention in these pages.
You did get me to come in and take a look at your thread, lightb! So, hello!
Lightb,
Ahavas Yisrael always.
Good words.
Just don’t confuse loving with emulating.
Be’avonoseinu harabim we have been stuck in a bitter galus for many centuries. Many members of Yisrael are, tragically, not Shomer Shabbos, not Shomrei Torah u’Mitzvos, and have lost their Emunah.
We still have to love them.
At the same time we have to be clear, to ourselves and to others, that we neither love the way they behave, nor subscribe to their beliefs (or lack thereof).
It’s not up to us to choose which members of Klal Yisrael to love. We love them all indiscriminately and without judgment.
It is most certainly up to us to decide which members of the Klal to learn from, to follow, and to interact with socially.
Joseph’s last paragraph is a gem of a paragraph!
Read it two or three times before you move on.
(I did!)
Does this rabbi have a name?
What is his claim to fame?
What is the basis for his thesis?
I’m not sure that I believe this.
This thread is all mixed up.
It’s chassidish ladies who wear turbans.
And black hats are shrinking these days, their brims compressing to precariously thin proportions, as prices rise in inverse increments.
An original artwork by one of my grandchildren.
I own a few.
I’m very rich.
LilmodU, yes that might have done the trick.
But I just had to tell you-
Thank you, I appreciate your help!
So there I go again…
Lightb, just read the essays kindly provided by WinnieTP and Thinkingol, and you’ll know everything there is to know.
Then be sure NOT to miss the Absolutely Brilliant conclusion by DY.
I was hesitating to post here, because I didn’t want to kill its impact by posting a following post.
Looks like I did though.
LF, I don’t see anyone here mocking or poking fun at Mesorah.
However, there is sometimes a fine line between avoiding the mocking of mesorah and avoiding its distortion.
There is no need to elaborate on our desire not to allow Mesorah to be mocked.
Distortion of Mesorah is what I want to talk about. It’s unfortunately rampant and a huge problem.
There are true Minhagim. Then there are stories people misunderstand and pass on saying “I heard…”, “I saw…”, “someone told me…”, which turn into a mockery of our true Mesorah, often standing real Minhagim (and even real Halacha) on their heads.
I heard a vort on Megillas Esther said originally as a “Purim Torah” (obvious milsa d’bdichasa”) being told as genuine dvar Torah! No, the person saying it was not drunk. She was a well-intentioned mechaneches, who was not familiar with the whole idea of “Purim Torah” and was sweetly relaying a Vort she heard. It might sound funny but in reality, if you allow yourself to think about it, it’s tragic.
Yeridas Hadoros is a fact, but it’s a fact that we fight against and try to minimize as much as possible. We want to pass on the Mesorah intact and unblemished, without any alternative facts clouding and obscuring it.
Thank you, DY, for trying to inject a bit of sanity into a discussion that is going nowhere fast.
Can one of the other posters here please tell LilmodUl the vort about how exactly ‘Chosson domeh le’Esrog”?
I’m pretty sure I saw it here in the CR.
But I don’t want to say it over wrong…
And to LU, may all your tefillos be answered speedily and in the best possible way!