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Squeak!!!

I know you were kidding.

But I couldn’t let that pass.

First of all, no, Chazal did not make statements “just to make people feel better”. It was said with a reason. And when (if?) that learned CR scholar comes forward with the source, we can elaborate.

And finally, SHORT STRAW ?!?!?!?

Patur A A, there is a wealth of miforshim you could have quoted on the creation of Chava and on Eizer K’negdo. (Not to mention on “Ko somar l’veis Yakov”) I was intrigued that you chose the words of the Ralbag “she’hee nivrais la’avodas hazachar…” Powerful words. And very true. But I think that had you typed out the quote in English you would be dodging the virtual tomatoes and rotten eggs right about now.

I’m finding it odd that we’re trying to extrapolate and imagine what the Roshei Yeshiva are thinking. A little disrespectful, no? And definitely a pointless exercise.

What does seem clear (to most of us) is that the Roshei Yeshiva are, in fact, not fully supportive of, and not implementing any major changes in line with, the age gap theory.

And, while West Gate (and many others) would like to blame the parents for every problem from unmarried singles to global warming (come to think of it, he could probably make a solid argument that ISIS arose out of horrendously misguided parenting), there is no doubt that the opinion of the Roshei Yeshiva is an important factor in the decisions of the young men learning in Yeshiva. And that’s the demographic a lot (most?) of the unmarried ladies in question are trying to reach.

I’m agreeing with squeak that the grounds here are very shaky. And suggesting again that R’ Rechnitz round up some smart people with the experience and knowledge necessary to do some solid research. We need to get onto more solid ground to solve this problem.

Popa_bar_abba,

For whatever it’s worth, you have my complete approval and support for every (well-written) word of your post opening this thread.

I’m afraid this will degenerate into the usual shidduch thread nonsense. But your post still stands.

It’s also not clear to me why R’ Rechnitz, who is so generous and has so many resources available to him, has not invested in producing (as you already mentioned) some real hard data in the form of a reliable analysis of the numbers and other factors involved here.

There have been scientific studies conducted on other subjects (including, but not limited to, finding a cure for diseases with drugs and other treatments) where the results were surprising and led to unexpected breakthroughs. Solutions to the problem studied sometimes resulted from treatment following an altogether different direction than expected.

It seems quite obvious that our Roshei Yeshiva don’t all approve of changing the way their Talmidim approach shidduchim.

The subject definitely requires further study.

DY,

+1 & +1

The article DaMo posted left me puzzled and more than a little uncomfortable.

Your posts, in contrast, are completely on the mark.

You need to have them published and distributed widely, LeChovod Elul.

You don’t need a mashgiach to answer this.

Mixing different types of meat, or meat and poultry, is perfectly fine.

Milk and meat: Not good.

Meat (or poultry) and fish: also Not good, but different than meat and milk.

There are some people who have a minhag passed down in their families not to eat fish and dairy together. An interesting custom that the more learned members of the CR can tell you a lot about. (Some are of the opinion that it’s based partially on a typo. Others disagree.) It makes the classic lox and cream cheese a no-no. Most of us don’t need to worry about it.

By the way, Who was this “someone” in your shul? I’d avoid going to him for advice on Halachic matters.

No part of our Mesorah is meaningless. Negative, positive, or anything in between. But we do have to formulate a clear picture of through which channels we’re receiving our Mesorah, and make sure that those channels are pure and free of contamination.

Having said that, jfem, I see you are taking this very seriously.

Here’s wishing you- whether you’re davening, dancing, or dining in style- beautiful, enjoyable Yamim Tovim, from the first day of Rosh Hashana, through Simchas Torah!

And may 5775 be a year of joy, Nachas, and fulfillment for you & yours!

Jfem, remind me where I heard about the woman who…

“Haysa ka’aniyos socher…” (see metzudas D- even though the husband is obligated to provide for her, she provides…)

She’s up before dawn, she dabbles in real estate, she uses her earnings to plant a vineyard, besides the clothing and fabrics she spins and weaves for her own family, she makes enough to sell too.

And all the while, her husband is sitting with the ziknei oretz.

How long ago exactly was that “tradition” described?

Thanks for the honest answer, LF.

May you be zoche to a year of catching many juicy flies, and finding many cozy lily pads to rest on.

DY, I was thinking more like full body armor, a la Knights of the Round Table.

But seriously, that was a terrific post!

Gentlemen,

The title of this thread is:

” Jokes “

May I suggest you start a private thread called:

” Squabbles, Bickering & Disagreements “

…And let the rest of us laugh in peace.

This thread proves conclusively that the mean age here in the CR is 7.2 years.

So, since we’re in the beginning of September, welcome to 2nd grade, ladies & gentlemen.

Nice, kapusta.

But no, not simple.

Our Creator knows that we are a different entity than Malachim, angels.

And we are intrinsically programmed to fail, to mess up, to make mistakes.

That’s the reason we were given the obligation and gift of doing Teshuva.

You may feel peeved that your fellow human beings misbehave.

But you have to realize that you were put on this earth to coexist with humans, not with angels.

Try to be tolerant of their shortcomings.

And if you happen to have any of your own, and have behaved not so nicely toward someone else, apologize!

Yes, but does anybody have a number for him and what would be the best time to call?

Thanks, 29

Surely a reference to the Teshuva we will all be doing this Elul and the great Yeshuos it will bring.

DaasY,

There were many Yidden from the same part of Hungary/Romania that the Satmar Rebbe was from who survived those dark days, and found this whole chapter very painful. There were many who lost relatives and friends who, tragically, had been advised not to go to Palestine, and to stay in Europe. Most of these survivors are no longer with us. I therefore feel that this part of our history is best addressed with silence. We must not allow the events to be forgotten. We must remember, but without editorializing, judging and analyzing.

In a similar vein, I find it deeply hurtful to read articles attempting to rehabilitated Kastner, when those who were in Hungary at the time of his betrayal of his people, can no longer give testimony. The only ones who speak are a man who was eleven years old at the time, and his descendants!

Mrs Layosh is entitled to an opinion. But we don’t really know who saved whom. Or who may have prevented others from being saved. We have to know that the events were all from Shamayim, and respond as Aharon Hakohein did, to the great tragedy that befell him.

I think Goq’s comment answers all the different commenters here perfectly.

Be kind to everyone.

Be kind to your single neighbor, divorced or other, by extending an invitation.

Try to help all your neighbors in whatever way you can when you see a need arise.

Try to offer the help and invitation in a sincere, nonintrusive way.

Don’t be a yenta and ask too many questions.

Don’t make the other person feel like a nebach.

And to the people on the receiving end-

Don’t make assumptions about people offering help. In all likelihood, they’re extending a hand in friendship because they’d like to be your friend! Don’t decide that they’re pushy yentas who are treating you like a nebach.

Feel free to accept or decline the kind offer as you please. But don’t judge the one making the offer!

And to all of you, don’t decide that just because you like hot potato kugel, cold beer, having your seder with a lot of other people, or shoveling snow, that everyone else feels the same way.

There’s nothing abnormal about wanting to have a nice Shabbos seuda alone in your own home, and no reason to think that just because you like setting a dozen places at the table, there’s something wrong with eating alone.

Somewhere along the way we’ve become very judgmental of others and at the same time, quick to take offense at the way others approach us.

A little kindness, tolerance, open-mindedness and menchlichkeit, would go a long way towards solving a lot of our crises.

And the above can be extended (I’m sure Goq will approve) to everyone, divorcees and all our other neighbors too.

BatMelech, it sounds like you’re in a difficult situation, and I really feel for you.

I’m not sure why you think that you need to get help from a “mekubal”.

I see others have already lectured you on the power of Tefillah. And I know that when a person is in a tzarah, sometimes it’s hard to daven. That’s why others are encouraged to daven for a choleh.

It’s understandable that you may be looking for a human connection, but does it have to be someone who you think is a “mekubal”?

Is there a Rav that you turn to with questions in Halacha, or a Rav that you know from wherever you went to school or where you daven, that you can call now? A Rav does not have to advertise his proficiency in the study of Kabbalah to be wise, caring and helpful.

And there’s also no reason that it has to be a man. A Rebbetzin or mechaneches can be a good person to talk to as well.

DY, I was stunned to read that there was a poster requesting that your post be removed because you dared suggest (!!) that the ‘bas kol’ is not a guarantee that everyone will get married. What?!

But then I was not surprised after all.

Squeak is right. We have a problem, no doubt about that. And the celebrity endorsements stand firmly behind the blame-free theory.

Please DY, don’t confuse us with facts. Facts don’t belong on a forum like this one. What we need here is to make everyone feel good about themselves, solutions to problems notwithstanding. Real change, real examination of how shadchanim and people in shidduchim operate- those may well lead to solutions that are not ‘blame-free’ (thanks, squeak).

And nobody wants that.

akuperma, I’m not sure I know what you’re talking about. Or that you know what you’re talking about.

If you multiply the sheva (7) binyanim by 3- avar, hoveh, atid, you get 21 different constructs for every verb. That’s before you mutiply each by 10 different pronouns which don’t exist in English (there’s no gender difference in English pronouns). Also, the conjugation of verbs in English, unlike Hebrew, most often does not change with change of pronoun (I think, you think, we think; he wrote, she wrote, we wrote; you will dance, we will dance, they will dance). There is also no such concept as an arbitrary “exception to the rule” in Lashon Kodesh (I swim, I swam; I think, I thought; I go, I went: I eat, I ate). Every nekudah and dagesh in Lashon Kodesh can be analyzed and dissected based on the rules of Dikduk. There is no such thing as a letter that disappears or appears without a reason. Enough? Which language, Lashon Kodesh or English, would you say is more “exact”?

And to answer your question (forgive me if it was rhetorical)- yes, it is possible to offer a translation that will present the reader with a basic understanding of the text in a “kosher” manner. The ultimate goal is, of course, to read words of Torah in the language in which they were written. But there’s no need to disparage the use of a translation when necessary.

Anybody out there read Rav Shamshon Refael Hirsch’s writings in Hochdeutsch?

Goq, Halevai…

MMMOOOOO !

(That’s cow for Great!)

+ 1 , Wolf !

Nothing left to say after your post.

Pretty much sums it all up clearly & perfectly.

MyTurn, you’re not sure why a woman needs a Rav?

Perhaps someone would like to find and bump that famous thread where PBA and friends tried to determine whether women actually are Jewish. I’m sure you’d have a lot to say.