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Mrs. Katz, many gateshead stories are true, but as a matter of fact, there is a new rov who i think was “matir” wearing shabbos shoes.
If most yeshivish guys in america are into brisk, and you choose your favorite godol’s pronounciation, then why are all yeshivishe guys not saying “ay”?
Hkatan, i imagine brroklyn teacher was commenting on the suggestion that “Har sinai” rhymes with U’shnei luchois avnim hoirid beyodoi.
The little i know
R’ duvid halperin of GG, son of haGa’on R’ chuna halperin is married to a daughter of ther veitzener of chicago – and i always thought that he was a bil of R’ meisels of satmar and rabbi ernster. Are you sure that you have not made a mistake?
Mrs. katz
“Venahapoich – i am not sure how shoes fit in, but theyprobably do not shabbos shoes, since in e”y noone wears separate shoes on shabbos. However thay probably buy their kids apartments, which are far more expensive.”
It is also far more crazy.
R’ velvel ernster comes every now and again to GG, and stays by a g’vir called gross, where many rebbes stay. he raises money for the me’oir hcayim moidois, so i assume that he actually has some moisdois.
OOmis, i agree that there is way too much of a deal being made over the shoes, but i think mrs. katz’s basic point is correct, and is a big deal. Mother in laws should not be running their children’s lives.
i personally do not buy my childrn Shabbos shoes, many poeple in england don’t, and i think that it important for children to realise that to look fance (smart in england) does not need to cost money, it can be achievec by a bit of work of polishing shoes. it teaches them kovoid shabbos much more than simply wearing a diferent pair of sheos, it teaches them that they do not need everyhting that they see by their friends. However big or small our reasons are, it is our decision, not my parents or parents in law.
Oomnis i get your point
You guys do not want to know what goes on here
anyway, parents, or parents in law shouldn’t get involved in childern’s lives.
My sister was told by her mother in law to buy her children shabbos shoes before a chasuna, and her mil said she would pay, but my sister refused. And you know somehting, she was right.
all you talmidei chachomim – i.e. Sam2, goldersgreener, do you not know an answer?
I know an odom godoil whose child divorced. when he was asked by a close talmid about the story a long time after – his child was remarried – he said listen, her tzu, chulent iz a gutte zach, glace [ice cream] is a gutte zach, ober tzuzamm klappen zei nisht/
[cholent and ice cream are both indivually good, but they do not go together.
i personally know the people involved and it is a good hagdoro
Sorry everyone, but there isn’t even a clear source for a child not to say kaddish during his parents life time.
Many kehillos, such as belz, and many sefardishe, are not makpid bichlal.
Someone asked the Steipler zt@l, and he said that since today it is not usually done, and people migth assume that he has no longer got arents, it is not a good idea.
Welcome, welcome.
ybrooklyn teacher, you are smarter than i realised.
Mishpacha ran an article on this very recently. eiyin shom vedoik heitiv.
Democracies may be fair, but they are not always right.
Only koihanim are not allowed to wear shoes in beis hamikdosh when they do avoida. A regular person may.
Mrs. Katz, i second that.
Twisted, not every European idea is so out of place or unfourtunate. Hatzlocho is untwisting yourself.
A fellow was once on a date, and he stopped at a red light. As the light turned green he released the hand brake, and prepared to move forward. The meduberes pulled the hand brake up, and the behaviour repeated itself until the light went red again.
With all the cars honking behind, he asked her what made her to do it. She said that she was just testing his reaction, and told him that he passed. He said, “well you failed”, and let her off at the next corner.
There was once a fellow who went to a mekubal and said that he has no children, and can he please have a brocha.
The mekubal asked him for $10,000 and promised that he will have a child within the year, and that he should call the mekubal to be sandak.
Surely enough, a year later, the fellow comes to invite the mekubal to a bris that will take place the next morning at 9:00, and is mechabed the mekubal with sandaka’us.
At 10:00 the next morning, two sefardim coming shlepping the mekubal’s chair, and he follows a short itme later. After a few minutes he looks round at the beautifully prerpared hall, and asks what they are waiting for.
The father answers ”we are waiting for the baby.”
Ten minutes later the question and answer repeat itself.
Eventually, the mekubal, unused to being made to wait, leams over to the father and says, ”Tagid li, eifoh hatinok”?
The father answers, “k’vod HoRav, zeh mah she’uni shoi’el oitcha.”
BTW, i suggest that your MIL look for shidduchim in gateshead in the fuutre, she will gain doubly, first of her children will live farther away, and second of all the kehilla doesn’t allow wasting money on shabbos shoes, – or even on souvenirs by chasunahs.
All jokes aside, i realsie that there is more a t stake here than shabbos shoes or paper plates, and wish you jmuch hatzlacha in dealing with you mil.
Purim Mashgiach, have you seen this stuff
Purim Mashgiach, i do not know where you get your halachos from, but I think the haskomo of the poskim is that shabbos shoes are included in clothes le’gabbai kovod shabbos, so although it may be a nice way to be mechabed shabbos, it is not necesarry. The legendary Harav segal of manchester had every beged different for shabbos except shoes.
I personally thonk that if you want to teach children kovod shabbos, you are much better off teaching to polish their shoes esp[ecially for shabbos than to buy them another pair.
Mrs. Katz, i actually overheard your mother in law telling your Isreali siblings that shoes and sandals are a waste of money, and that Yoisef Moikir shabbos used to walk around barefoot.
Mrs Katz, the only way to encourage children is … to encourage. Compliment them when they keep their shoes on, and avoid crititiscm. My suggestion to you is that five mminutes after they come home thank them for keeping their shoes on, and you might find them still on their feet much later.
Regarding you mother inlaw, the only way to win a machloikes is … to give in.
Just by the way, i don’t mean anything personal, but she probably tells your children that shabbos shoes are a waste of money because she realises that a polite suggestion to you will be ignored.
What do you guys say to this one.
The lock to the Oitzer seforim in gateshead yeshiva was broken, and could not be opened from the outside, so bochurim used to use it for various purposes.
One day it was locked, and there were bochurim inside, and there was a knock on the door, by r’ Avrohom Gurwitz shlit”a, but the bochurim were sure that it was someone playing a joke. When they eventually opened the door he said, ”I’m waiting outside with my face covered, since i don’t want you to be embarrased.
Amazing, no?
what i want to know is who you guys voted for last time.
Since when can a frum website discuss whether or why to do a mitzva
The best prank I know of was actually done by university students.
It was April 1st, the brittish equivalent of Roish Choidesh Adar, and soem students found out that the municipitality was planning on doing some road repairs outside their school.
The students approached the police and informed that some students were planning an April’s fools plank, and they were going to pretend that they were maitenance workers digging up the road. The same studants then approached the workers, and let them know that somes tudents dressed up as Police would try and disrupt the roadworks on the next day. The students went the next day and watched how the real police argued with the real road workers, each side fimly convinced that they were talking to students.
Here in england we have Rabbonim who are really really brilliant at therapy.
(If you need help just contact me through the CR.)
By the way, therapists are not trigger happy, they just get to see too many unsalvageable marriages. Most of them will tell you that therapy is givan too little and too late.
Why don’t you move to Gateshead? (Or maybe E”Y).
moishe s, i wouldn;t use your real name, beliave me one day you’ll grow up, and you night just be enbarrassed.
ybrooklyn teacher, you don’t mind me asking, but why are sneakers more inportant than shabbos shoes
one more point, however smalll the point of this thread is, it’s the only thread i’ve seen with practical applications. so osmetimes a small achievement is better than just talking all day about nothing
Sorry whiteberry, but face it, there is a big difference between best poster and only normal guy.
I heard from the brisker Rosh Yeshiva that the Brisker Rov that even were the chofetz chayim to be Prime minister it would be still be forbidden to have a state. (i heard it myself in Chumash Shiur.)
curiosity, ybrooklyn’s teacher’s question was not that it is not educational, she knows that it is educational, she just wants to know that surely it is educational, and cheaper, to teach children how to tie shoelaces.
is there anyone normal for the only normal guy to marry? or maybe his kids are also unnormal?
thanks for the link, i’ll have to take a look and get back to you guys.
to the “only normal person” no offense, but the normal one here is me not you.
BTW, i’m waiting to see the teacher who gives in to tears. if you warn a kid and he does what he was not supposed to do, you have to carry out your punishment or you lose everything – especailly in a camp where there is less discipline to start off with.
i personally think that there is more kavod Shabbos in polishing your shoes, than in having a different pair for Shabbos. (especially my children, where i would have to pay for the shoes.)
BTW yeruhsalymer, i take offense, i am from GG, and my boys do NOT have shabbos shoes, buckles, tommy hilfiger or anything alse. And yes, brooklyn, i think girls are different, they should be more into their looks, and they run around less, so of course it makes sense to buy them an extra pair of shoes.
BTW yerushalaymer again, if you really lived in yerushalayim you would have sent your son to “kaytana” with sandals not sneakers.
dear toi,
i don’t really get the difference.
but by the queen’s diamond jubillee a lot of choshuve rabbonim said to put out flags.
Their is a whole thread here on schools confiscating shoes and SAM2 seems to think that it the most embarrasing thing possible. (although see there that i argue.)
TO SAM2
the oruch hashulchan is only referring to walking barefoot, not in socks, the school i was in (see previous post) had some very choshuve rabbonnim behind it, and they never made a fuss.
TO WIY
the nazis did what was bad for people, to discipline a child is good for him. (choisech shivtoi soinei b’noi.)
TO YERUSHALAYMER
it isn’t right to say what the camp did and not what your son did. if they took away his shoes, they probably had a good reason, (i.e. he kicked a counsellor and was warned that if he does again they will take away his shoes, or he pulled off someone else’s shoes.)
The father who wanted his kids to go to school in socks is a million precent right. Children should know how to take care of their things, and understand that if they lose them it is their problem.
TO S’YOG.
i wouldn’t trusr yerushalaymer’s judgement, often parents are too easy on the children, and just sometimes the mechanchim can see a different angle. BTW if your children would be THRILLED to walk without shoes, why did you buy them shoes in the first place?
TO BROOKLLYN TEACHER.
KOL HAKAVOD to the teacher.
TO NISHT DAYN GESHEFT.
i don’t know how you smell a troll, but they DEFINITELY did it in the school i was in. you can contact me through ywn if you want/
I was in a frum school in GG in the 1990’s and we had sports for an hour a week, and we had to bring our sneakers. After being reminded the first couple fo weeks of every school year, anyone who forgot tgeir sneakers had to JOIN IN the sports lesson, running skipping and junping, climbing on the apparatus, etc, in their socks.
The school did it for years and years, so i imagine that there were not too many complaints. i think that it was a brilliant idea, it taught boys basic concepts, such responsibility, taking care for their belongings, consequences of actions. etc.
i would have noproblem sending my sons to a school that did it today.
BTW, in those days we all wore grey socks, so it more embarrasing.
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