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I am sure among the MisYavnim there were many kluger yidden, maybe iber chochomim, but they adopted Greek Culture (I don’t know if they did or didn’t eat Greek Yogurt).
If you google “The History of Sports, From Ancient Times to Modern Day” you will see confirmed that:
“Ancient Greece introduced formal sports, with the first Olympic Games in 776 BC, that included sports such as human and chariot races, wrestling, jumping, disk and javelin throwing, and more.”This Greek Culture infiltrated Bnei Yisroel and many became MisYavnim. The CHashmonoyim fought this Greek Culture, but some Yidden nebech retained it. Those that continue in this Greek “mesorah” today, are following in the derech of the MisYavnim.
I think a better question is would you be comfortable with having your son/daughter marry a Jew from another race (e.g. a Black Jew or an Oriental Jew)? Why/Why not? They are 100% Jewish, even FFB but can you get over the colour of their skin or shape of their eyes? If you can’t – are you a “racist”? Maybe this needs a separate thread!
Neville – I observe YH yet am makpid on recorded music during sefira, even recorder Cappella without instruments, since the machine playing the singing it IS in itself an instrument. Indeed there is no heter to play a musical instrument (call it radio, cd player or music box) that plays musical sounds of people singing. I keep the entire sefira (except lag b’omer) because I believe there is a need to be machmir, especially due to the tzoros Yidden had during these times when Jewish blood flowed like water and women were violated (via Crusaders and expulsions etc.)
laskern – do you follow ALL the psokim of Chasam Sofer, or only the ones that help your lifestyle? One can always find a shitah that allows something or a shitah that prohibits something. Do you pick and choose whom to follow?
The entire source of sports and watching sports is from the Roman and Greek coliseums. (Hence the birth of the Olympics).
The Greek culture that the Chashmonoyim battled, remained with some Jewish MisYavnim.
They passed the “mesorah” of Greek Culture to those that follow sports, but it is the same Culture of MisYavnim from the past..
Mi L’Hashem Eiloy is the battle call to erase the Grrek Culture from our midst.
lakewhut, why is s/he an apikores for not making a brocha on hallel, maybe he is simply a shoteh? Is it one of the 13 Ikrim to make a bocha on hallel?! Further, he says he is following his rabbeim, are you saying that they too are c”v apikursim?! On what basis???
The hair on head is called sayor, same letters as word “shiyur” (measure) which is a limitation, known as gevurah. Likewise, it has the same letters as “se’or” yeast, which is known to be associated with Din (judgement). (It is also the same letters as “sha’ar” (gate) but that is another discussion, and also the word se’ora – barley, as in sefirat haOmer when the 24,000 students of R’ Akiva died).
Mrs Joseph, if you check with males that have facial hair, they will explain to you that long peyos ha’rosh, if left hanging down onto the face, mingle with long peyos ha’ponim. Kabbalistic sources stae that they should not mix, like shatnez or milk with meat.
The mods can close a thread, leaving the last posting as the final say on the topic. (not necessarily the “maskona”, sometimes it’s like walking away from a debate).
As I wrote: “it would demonstrate the koach of doing teshuva m’ahava (that zidonos na’asu lo k’zochiyos)” – to demonstrate to others (which is a form of kiddush Hashem).
Shaving for a man is prohibited by the majority of poskim. The only absolute hetter to shave is for women!
The novee promises:
“כי לי איים יקוו ואניות תרשיש בראשונה, להביא בנייך מרחוק כספם וזהבם איתם”
as such, not just will
עתידין בתי כנסיות ובתי מדרשות שבבבל שיקבעו בארץ ישראל
but when Moshiach comes BBA, also
ספם וזהבם איתם
including mansions.
therefore, no lack of emunah in geulah by buiding a mansion with such an intent:
to have a mansion in EY.
(NOT like Avi wrote: ” Chatam Sofer adds that someone who builds such a house in Chul shows that that he does not believe that we will go back to EY (or does not want to).” – which isn’t fully correct).In basic kabalah: Payos of rosh are connected to gevurah while the beard is connected to chessed. The two should be kept separate most times, hence the peyos ha’rosh are kept behind ears or up under the yarmulka, so that they do not mix with beard.
If you daven b’yechidus – do as the minhag of your family (many posters wrote about the importance of keeping family minhagim), BUT if davening in a minyan, then It depends on the shul/minyan,, you see, one must not be poresh min ha’tzibur, so if the shul you daven in says hallel, you must also, likewise, a shul that doesn’t say hallel, you must not say it either. Regarding the brocha, one must answer amen on a bracha, and when the chazon says the brocha and you answer amen, you are yotzeh with his brocha, so no need to say a brocha yourself.
laskern – “haughtiness”? he held that if he does proper teshuva, bmokom she’baalei teshuva omdim afilu tzaddikim gemurim aynom yecholim la’amod shom, not only does he deserve to lead, but it would demonstrate the koach of doing teshuva m’ahava (that zidonos na’asu lo k’zochiyos).
DY, I don’t defend anyone. In fact, I don’t think that need a defense at all. I think the attackers are hypocritical and full of baloney. Of c”v the movement had kefira, gedolim would not have accorded exteme kovod to their Rebbe and routinely study his seforim. That is indisputable evidence.
Lit – “Difference between Lubavitch and others? PR (Public Relations), publicity is one of the ikarim (fundamentals) of Lubavitch.”
Let me mirror back your words after I just pulled out of my mailbox a 12-page glossy colorful magazine with photoshopped pics of Gedolim and a Dial a Segulah 800 number:
Difference between Litvish and Yeshivish?
PR (Public Relations), publicity is one of the ikarim (fundamentals) of Litvish…Vaad HaTzedakas, Vadd HaAniyim, get a brocha, segul, will daven for you for anything and everything you want…dial 1-800-Give-Gelt..
Horrified – “Problem with chabad, is their is no rebbe so no direction.”
Let me mirror back your words:
Problem with litvish/Yeshivish/Sefard/Yekka community is there is no rebbe so no direction.
In seder ha’nivro’im (creation) – man was created last – because of chashivus.
Likewise, in zman, shabbos is the last day of the week – because of its chashivus.
Likewise in Olom, Olom Haba comes after Olom Haza, its chashivus makes this world like a foyer to the next world.
In Nation, also Am Yisroel was formed last, after the formation of the 70 Nations, finally, Bnei Yaakov in Mitzrayim formed Am Yisroel.
In Bais Hamidosh, the Second Bayis was “greater” in size and duration than the First Mikdosh, but the Third Bayis will be far grander and with greater chashivus.
In Korbonos, the Korbon Shlomim is listed last (ויקרא ז’, ט”ז – זֹאת הַתּוֹרָה לָעֹלָה לַמִּנְחָה וְלַחַטָּאת וְלָאָשָׁם וְלַמִּלּוּאִים וּלְזֶבַח הַשְּׁלָמִים )
because of its chashivus, that it is never botel in the future (as the Korbon Todah is one of the Shlomim: לעתיד לבוא, כל הקרבנות בטילים וקרבן תודה אינו בטל. כל התפילות בטילות, ההודאה אינה בטילהIn Aliyos, Shivie is usually given the Rov, but Maftir trumps in chashivus.
In Nozir 66b (and Brochos 53b): Answering Amen is greater than the making of Brocha, first the weak ones battle and later the strong ones win the battle. The chashivus of coming later is Amen.
And in Shulchan Oruch the most choviv and choshuv halacha is the last Ramo: “וטוב לב משתה תמיד” Drink and be always happy – don’t be a hateful bitter person. L’CHAIM!!
Lernt – if you really believe the foolishness you write then YOU must keep it, and as such all those Yidden are possul l’eidus for gitten and kiddushim, their wine is ossur (hope you don’t enjoy the Italian wine under their hechsher), their shchita is possul, you can’t rely on the OK or all those yidden servig as mashgichim for the national kashrus organizations, and you can’t include them for a minyan, even when you are a chiyuv.
In other words, either stand by your words and keep them, or stop being silly. You can’t have it both ways – either they are kosher frum Yidden or they are apikursim. It’s all or nothing.
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Us Litvish?yeshivish Yidden keep halacha.
Yet it is perplexing that nearly all the Litvish Ywshivos make a “hoicha kedusha” mincha minyan (when chazan only says shemonei esrei out loud till kedusha) – which the Bais Yossef and ALL poskim say is wrong.
It is also perplexing that although we are careful to follow the Mishna Brura and study the writings of the Chofetz Chaim, Litvish Yeshivos urge bochurim to shave, even though the Chofetz CHaim held it is forbidden.
At the same time, we point to other Yidden that we feel are doing contrary to halacha (not sleeping in sukkah or eating cake before davening) as if we are so much better at halacha-keeping than they are.
yo – “There’s a lot of mahloket among Ashkenazim. Sheesh.” It’s called “sibling rivalry”. Last I heard, sefardim also act as siblings, Deri and Yishai and their respective chachomim/gedolim…
I am a Ka’Eyla Yid on Succos (In the middle of maftir I randomly shout out Ka’Ayla – it adds to everyone’s simchas yom tov, even the Rov starts laughing).
In wide broad strokes, chassidus focusses on the positive connection with HKBH, while mussar focusses on the loss to the person when he lacks connection to HKBH (Gehenim etc). Chabad Chassidus is an intellectual approach *study) while other Chassidus use emotions. There is lots of overlap and similarities in the mutual goal of serving HKBH. All the roads lead to the Kings Palace.
jakob – you found an opportunity to spew hatred against other Jews. I hope you feel good. You bring shame to your ancestors.
Joseph, Et tu, Brute?
Joseph, yes, common when someone is a choleh and can only eat soaked matza, he is mattir neder.
Same if someone became bar mitzva (or an eved knani becomes freed – for those of us that own one) between pessach rishon and pessach sheni.