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“the very Minhag is already mentioned as a โsefardi minhagโ by the Bes Yosef OC 334:5”
Ok, so the Litvish follow minhagei Sfard, davening Ashkenaz, but no kitniyos – confusing. But suppose they do follow this minhag of Sefard as their hetter – guess what, they only do the first half of the minhag: Chazzon says aloud till kedusha…but what about the Chazzon starting AGAIN aloud fom Modim – as the Bais Yossef writes?!
ืืื ืืกืคืจืืื ืืื ื ืืืืื ืืืืืจ ืฉโืฅ ืืชืคืื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืชืคืื ืฉโืฅ ืขื ืืฆืืืืจ ืืงืื ืจื ืืืืืจ ืงืืืฉื ืืืจืืช ืืชื ืงืืืฉ ืืืโื ืืืืจ ืืืืฆืขืืืช ืืืืฉ ืขื ืืฆืืืืจ ืืืชืืื ืจืฆื ืืงืื ืจื ืืืืืจ ืชืคืืชื ืืงืื ืจื ืืื ืื ืืืฉืื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืืืืจ ืฉืืคื ืื ื ืืฆืคโืช ืชืืโื
And indeed ends:
ืืื ืื ืืืฉืื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืืืืจ ืฉืืคื ืื ื
ืืืืจื ืืขืืืจ ืขื ืชืงื ืชื yet the Litvish Yeshivos are ืขืืืจ ืขื ืชืงื ืชื daily?!I hate myself for hating Jews who hate frun Yidden. It’s awful! Gotta go to Haters Anonymous and do the 12 Ikrim.
29 – I can’t help hating those who hate any frum yidden. If it is a mitzva – it is my zchus. If it is an aveira – it is my misoyon.
Dear Rebbitzen,
So sorry about all the deletions but your anti hate posts are pretty hateful.
– 29
I love all Yidden. You should too. Especially if you are shomer mitzvos because there is that “great mitzva” of ahavas Yisroel: V’avavta is not just to love Litvaks! Sefardim are t’horim! They are much “pure blood” than Ashkenazim. They are also genetically closer to the Avos and Shevatim than Caucasian Jews. And there mesora is more uniform than Ashkenazim who have a cholent of minhagim (example: Chassidim and Misnagdim and Yekkas and Oberlanders etc). Embrace all Yidden like Hashem wants us to – Am Echad!
LerntMin – Nasi hador is a ridiculous title for a guy who had 1 tenth of the followers at his funeral than Rav Shach ztโl had. Yet he called himself that.
Well, if the criteria of Nosi Hadoris based on the size of one’s funeral, then the Nosi of our Dor was Nelson Mandela or Princess Di.
How much have you sampled of the spirits for Purim?!
Guess you never knew Country Yossi song: “Who is He and He is She”…
A chassidishe “who” means “he” which means “she”
Don’t you get it? If not, become a Litvak (too late for Chabad membership – it is all filled)
L’chaim!
Its Time wrote “Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky, Explained that one already years ago He said that always was the custom of full time elevated Scholars It wasnโt meant to be imitated by lay people or youth though”
“Full time elevated scholars” like the Rashbi and his disciples are completely pottur from tefillah! But I guess these Litvak Yeshivas think they are “part way” to the madgreiga of “toraso umnoso”, there whole life is spent every minute learning, so no time to waste on a proper mincha, unless of course they are shaving – for that avoda there is plenty of time!
Haman said: Yeshno Am Echad, Mefuzar U’Meforad Bein HaAmim.
Some take this a chiyuv to make yidden “Mefuzar U’Meforad” by causing pirud and sinas yisroel from within.
I guess they are at Ad Dlo Yada – they don’t know that it Haman is the one that is Orur. It is a curse mission that impacts them and their loved ones negatively – r”l, Hashem ya’azor.
Regarding shaving, there is a sefer that collected ALL the shitos, and nearly all are MACHMIR 9either as a d’oraysa, plus other issurim: lvush isha, etc, or midrabonon): Sefer Hadras Ponim Zoken
DY on: And who started the Litvish Yeshiva minhag of a โhoicha kedushaโ at mincha to save time of Chazoras HaShatz so we can get back to learn and not โwaste timeโ on a proper mincha?! DT – Very possibly Chazal.
Which Chazal said that is the minhag of klal yisroel to abridge mincha (and if so, mima mafshoch) why do all shuls (outside of Litvish Yeshos) NOT follow this Chazal and have a proper chazoras haShatz?!
Goan writes ‘If you look at all Chabad Rabbis, starting from the Baaโl Haโtanya, Tzemech, then Rashab you will see a change of dress code as wellโฆ”
Wait a minute, I am confused. You are bringiung a “rayah” (proof) from Chabad?! Aren’t they the ones that “many gedolim” (invisible ones like my invisible friends) consider them Ovdei Avoda Zara?! Aren’ they the ones that you claim don’t keep halacha properly?! You bringing proof from THEM?!
That is all “l’shitascha” – because I consider them like all other frum yidden….
And the whole shaving beards is based on a heter that is not l’chol ha’dayos…yet, bochurim are encouraged (pressured) to shave because it is a ga’avah to have a beard (as Yidden always had!) before becoming a talmid chochom. Once a person reaches the “madreiga” to announce to the world that in his mind he considers himself a talmid chochom – only then can he have a beard….Let’s stop criticizing and mocking others, there is plenty to mock ourselves.
DT, Chazal also made an abridged Birkat Hamozon and other shortcuts for sha’as hadchak situations. Do Litvaks live a life of b’di’eved or sha’as hadchak?!
The Chofetz Chaim wore a cap (kashket) – there are pics. He did not wear a Borsalino! When did a Litvish hat become “The Look”? A tie is “required” for bnei Torah – when did that “requirement” start (chassidic bochurmin. kollel men and rebbes don’t wear them!)?
Forcing bochurim to shave because only a Talmid CHochom can wear a beard – who created that mesorah?!
And who started the Litvish Yeshiva minhag of a “hoicha kedusha” at mincha to save time of Chazoras HaShatz so we can get back to learn and not “waste time” on a proper mincha?!
I still don’t understand which Litvaks started wearing neck ties? (A break from previous mesorah).
So I understand from what you are saying is that if the Chrem only applies strictly to Chabad, it means that Litvaks paskened that Chabad are the only “real”chassidim today. That’s kind of…interesting.
To clarify: Rav Chaim of Volozhim was the prime student of the Gra, yet he did not sign the Cherem against chassidim! The LItvish of today follow the ways of Reb Chaim, yet the haters keep bringing up the Gra’s cherem (that Reb Chaim had no part of)! COnfusing?!
So the “Avi HaYeshivos” Reb Chaim of Volozhim, broke away from the mesorah of Lita and started a new derech?! Was part of this new derech to mock chassidim (because I heard Reb Chaim of Volozhim actually admired and was friends with Chabad Rebbes – to the point that after he discussed the topic with them, he stopped sleeping a sukkah himself)! My confusion is, the Gra had this cherem on chassidim – I get that. But Reb Chaim was close to Chabad. So when di the Litvish of today took some of the Gra cherem, but accepted Reb Chaim’s derech and the New Litvish way, while accepting all other chassidim (the Litvish yeshivos are filled with them) but kept the hatred to Chabad? It is so confusing and mixed up?!
When did Litvish rabbonim and Rosh Yeshivas start wearing ties? Who introduced this new minhag against the mesorah?
The Litvish of today are MUCH more Litvish than the Gra. In fact, the Talmidei HaGra in Eretz Yisroel look kinda Chassidish. They sure don’t wear Borsalino hats! The Litvish of today have a much more Yeshivish appearance. Nothing like Old School of Lita. I think the Gra would feel totally out of place at an Agudah Convention.
!. There is a 15 page application form.
2. Membership fees can m=be sent to Kupas HaGoldenpupik.
3. Ashkenaz only – Borch Sh’Omar before Hodu!
4. Tefilin on Chol Hamoed.
5. Bash chassidic groups, extra credit for bashing Chabad.
6. Love your fellow Jew – who is Litvish.
The question was: Is someone michuyiv to pay Shadchanus to a family member? You don’t write the family relationship. If the boy or girl’s father or mather is the shaddchan, then there is no chiyuv for shadchonus because chazal tell us that there is a chiyuv on the father “l’ha’si’o isha” (to mary off his son). (I assume the same applies to a mother – that she has a chiyuv to marry off her son, and I assume this chiyuv on the parents also apply to a daughter).
In other words, you don’t need to pay someone for doing their mitzvah, even if you benefit from it. (Just as you don’t pay the Kohen for duchan – giving you brochos, since that is his chiyuv).
Bays and Girls, That is today’s lesson. Be bsimcha with mishteh yayin – tomid (that is a chiyuv and halacha – for those who keep halacha).
Some people are anti-Semites (definition: they hate Jews).
Not necessarily do anti-Semites hate ALL Jews (they love saying some of my best friends are Jewish).
To be an anti-Semite, there is no requirement to be a goy. A Jew can also qualify as an anti-Semite. All that is required is to hate SOME Jews.
The way to show others that you hate Jews (are an anti-Semite) is by badmouthing Jews. (Again, no need to bad mouth all Jews, it is enough to bad mouth SOME Jews).
Comments posted here that badmouth ANY Jews is simply anti-Semitic. Sad, if the posters are Jewish, but if so,their yichus is suspect, and needs bdika.
I love Chabad because they are yidden, and I love all yidden, because that is a mitzvah (VโAhavta). Just as I keep shabbos, kashrus and ad dlo yada โ I also keep VโAhavta lโrayacha loโmocha.
Anyone that bโshita does not love ANY yidden is simply not frum (= not a shomer mitzvos).
Yes we make jokes about yekkas, and Telzers, and Chaim Berliners, and Briskers (donโt get me started on Brisker jokes) and Chabad, and Breslovโฆbut it is only good humored fun (just as we might make fun of ourselves) without any viciousness or hatred.
Yidden are like my cholent โ there are potatoes, beans, barley, meat, onions and all my secret ingredients. We need each ingredient to make the cholent and if one is removed, the cholent wonโt be what it should.
The beans in the cholent might make fun of the potatoes, and the meat might think that he is the โrealโ cholent and the onion is not part of the Cholent Tzibbur, but that is pure silliness.
So if you are the barley or the spice โ without the rest of us you do not make the Tzibbur of Klal Yisroel.
I should explain that i described you as: howling at the moon like a rabid dog with saliva drooling into a puddle as he spews poison…
Because you used a moshel from ” a piece of meat which many say is treif”, and we all know treifa basodeh – la’kelev tashlichun oso (the piece of trief meat is given to the dog to consume).
Better be like the other dog that had the zchus “l’kol bnei yisroel lo yechratz kelev l’shono” (the dog that did not howl at ANY yid)!
LerntminTayrah states: “Many gedolim say Chabad the way it is today is avoda zara / apikorsus.”
Challenge: name the MANY “gedolim”!
There are none.
You are simply creating a big lie that if kept repeated, you start believing it yourself as you try to create sinas yisroel and pirud ha’levovos. You howl at the moon like a rabid dog with saliva drooling into a puddle as he spews poison.
You need to be more careful
Mrs Joseph wonders: “How many idiots ever go to Vietnam, the Amazon jungle or Addis Abbaba?!”
Do you live in a cave?
Just a few days ago news headlines:
Gerrer Chosid And His Business Partner Saved From Ethiopian Plane Crash
Mahgichim for major kashrus orgs (including the OU which you disparage their poskim), business chareidim (from all segments), frum tourist, and the OTD kids searching to escape…
But that is besides the point.
How dare you call yidden names? Chazal tell us: kol haposel b’mumo possel, so if you call them idiots, we must conclude that you are.
Mrs Joseph asks How do you propose that works? Suppose someone changes from x to z … stick to his original mesorah insofar as x minhagim…but suddenly start following the โhashkafosโ of y?
Let me answer slowly so you can follow.
Yidden from the Old Country arrived in the early Yishuv of EY.
Many kept their hashkofos but took on minhagei EY.
Example one of numerous, talmidei HaGra of EY have unique minhagim that the talmidei HaGRa of CHUTZ do not have.
That is how it works.
People “evolve” according to their community and hashkofos while keeping certain core mionhagim and mesorah. Yes, sometimes, those are lost and it is hard to identify them with the “original” mesorah (as exampe cited).
“Donโt worry about rebbetzingoldenpupik she(/he โ so she claims) has a good sense of humer. Especially cuz she has no clue abt anything in chabad.”
I love Chabad because they are yidden, and I love all yidden, because that is a mitzvah (V’Ahavta). Just as I keep shabbos, kashrus and ad dlo yada – I also keep V’Ahavta l’rayacha lo’mocha.
Anyone that b’shita does not love ANY yidden is simply not frum (= not a shomer mitzvos).
Yes we make jokes about yekkas, and Telzers, and Chaim Berliners, and Briskers (don’t get me started on Brisker jokes) and Chabad, and Breslov…but it is only good humored fun (just as we might make fun of ourselves) without any viciousness or hatred.
Yidden are like my cholent – there are potatoes, beans, barley, meat, onions and all my secret ingredients. We need each ingredient to make the cholent and if one is removed, the cholent won’t be what it should.
The beans in the cholent might make fun of the potatoes, and the meat might think that he is the “real” cholent and the onion is not part of the Cholent Tzibbur, but that is pure silliness.
So if you are the barley or the spice – without the rest of us you do not make the Tzibbur of Klal Yisroel.
Can a a Lakewooder switch to Telz? What about a Brisker checking out Mirer? And can they then try out Ponevitch? ” We must stick to our mesorah” so a Chaim Berliner must not become a Ner Yisroelโnik. That doesn’t make sense.
“…WHY your mesorah was against”
Like finding out why esov soneh l’yaakov.
But in truth no one claims such a “mesorah” of hate. The OP wrote he “was brought up in an “environment” that wasnโt to positive about Chabad” – “environment” means friends, neighbours, classmates etc – not “mesorah”
The “environment” fostered a hanhogah which is anti-Torah. Torah demands ahavas Yisroel. Sinas Yisroel is for Esov. No one can be bound to a mesorah of Esov, just like someone brought up in an “environment” of chilul shabbos does noty have a “mesorah’ of chilul shabbos.
To question: .Why donโt you find out WHY your mesorah was against chabad instead of assuming theyโre wrong?” is like saying: “Why donโt you find out WHY your mesorah was for chilul shabbos instead of assuming theyโre wrong?”
Yes, going against Torah is wrong. Promoting going against Torah is a maysis u’mediach!
LerntminTayrah – are you a maisis u’mediach?!
Captain _ “Even if we cant physically do a mitzvah, by learning about it, its as if we do it.”
So if we learn about Chabad, its as if we become Chabad!
And if you learn about tefillin – you don’t need to put on tefillin?!
Let’s learn about moshiach and then we don’t need him…NOT!
Following the Rule of Joseph, we all know the major differneces within our own circle, between a Lakewooder and a Telzer, A Brisker and a Mirer or a Ponevitcher. We must stick to our mesorah, and a Chaim Berliner must not become a Ner Yisroel’nik, and chas v’sholom a Brisker going to Ponevitch.
Those that know, know the differences. Because the Rule of Joseph becomes “nosata d’vorecha l’shiurim”, this is not as “vayt” (pronounced: white with a v) from that, but this is…as decided by King Joseph.
Proof is that all Jews keep their mesorah, hence by doing so over 2000 years, they are all…the same (and any differences are a figment of your imagination).
Captain “I am a man and havea constant chiyuv to learn Torah”
You keep spouting untruthful comments!
There are times during the day when it is FORBIDDEN for you to learn Torah (when using the lavatory).
There are times when you are POTTUR from learning Torah (e.g. during davening…)
There are times when you are UNABLE to learn Torah (during sleep).
No, the chiyuv is NOT “constant “!
What possess you to make untruthful comments?
`yytz – I did not say that all or most in Chabad go on shlichus, I wrote that there is “the expectation” that they go.
They have that goal and mindset – even though not everyone reaches that goal.
In my world most boys have “the expectation” of becoming a talmid chochom, but alas, few reach that goal. Among the girl, most dream of marrying a future godal and to support his learning all his live – few such dreams are realized.
We all need goals and dreams.
Just like in my world there are Yissochor and Zevulun – the learners and those supporting earners, in Chabad too there are the soldiers on the battlefront and those back home shipping supplies and training new soldiers for the future.
Chabad is not my cup of tea but like great art, I stare at it with admiration..
Captain “We only have to do 613 commandments” – speak for yourself, I only have half of them – the 365 lo sa’asey and the handful of mitzva assei she’ain hazman gerama plus a few exceptions like Ad Dlo Yada on Purim.
Besides, you are not being truthful!
Are you a kohen? Because many of the 613 apply only to kohanim bizman habayis, (so even if you are a Kohen, there is no Bayis).
And are you a melech (King from Shevet Yehudah)?
Becasue some only apply to him…
So you REALLY do NOT have 613 commandments!
But you made comment to try to put down a group of yidden – is that not violating a few of those 613 commandments?!
I am no friend of Chabad, but I do love Jews – even you.
It is not so poshut to join Chabad.
Did you go over the 15 page application form?
Then they have requirements that take hours of each day!
The bare MINIMUM is you gotta spend lots of time each day doing what they call “Chitas” – the entire parsha WITH Rashi! A chunk of Tehilim. And almost a chapter in Tanya.
But that’s not all! No youi aren’t done with the MINUMUM requirements yet!
You also gotta do THREE preokim in RAMBAM – daily.
They also expect you to learn many of the weekly sichos and attend regular farbrengens (almost weekly or at least 3 a month!) …
and that is the MINIMUM requirements for…girls.
Boys gotta do so much more!
And don’t forget the expectation that you leave civilization and open up a Chabad House in places that you never knew existed. (Not a single kosher pizza shop or restaurant within a 4-hour flight radius!)
Is that what you want to join?
We make fun of Chabad with comments because we are intimidated by them. They are scary people! The stuff they do is not what we are used to and that makes us uncomfortable. It makes us feel safe when we call them weird or a kofer or anything else – that way, we don’t need to do the stuff they do for other Jews .
(Chabad is only good if you need a minyan or kosher kugel in the Congo, Africa or you need wine and challah in Vietnam. Oh, it is also good if chas vsholom your daughter goes off the derech, stops keeping shabbos or kosher, got a tattoo and went to Napal with her goy-friend, that is when you call Chabad in Napal and they will help you – even if you called them kofrim! But for us who live the good life – Chabad is not what we idolize).
Life is good. Why join and turn your world upside down?
The application to join,,,the commitment…fugetaboutit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!