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A baby boy gets a Sholom Zochor, but not a baby girl (by Ashkenazim). Because somewhere a boy was born that the bas kol said this girl will marry him. That boy had a Sholom Zocher, and Ishto K’Gufo, this girl wasl was “yotzeh” with her future bashert’s Sholom Zochor. May she grow to marry a Ben Torah, CHupah and Maasim Tovim. Shabbat Shalom!
The Godol Hador was asked this question, if tgere is a need to do what Ezra did by identifying yichus of everyone (see Perelman Asara Yuchsin)? He answered that Ezra did not do it while the Yidden were in Bavel. Only when they were immigrating to Eretz Yisroel – only then did Ezra do so. You see, the problems we have of our Nation being contaminated by goyim or mamzerim is an ancient problem that yidden had even after a mere 70 years of golus Bavel. Yet while in golus Bavel kiruv was done, brissim were made and Rabbonim were messader kiddushin without concern of brocha lvatalah. Think about it.
Who checks the yichus of each bochur in Lakewood and Ponevitch to make sure his grandparents are true Yidden?! Do the Rosh Yeshivas go back a few generations on the maternal side to make sure this talmid is a Yid? Who does this?!
What about mamzerim? If the grandparents remarried without a proper get, if there was an agunah that remarried (very common in pre-war days) without a hetter that we all accept, do you realize the michshol in shidduchim??
There might be 20-60% goyim or mamzerim learning in Bnei Brak! GEVALD!
MenevilleChaimBerlin ” apparently not all poskim agree that heicha mincha is b’deived. Goan brought a proof ealier from the Beis Yosef I think.”
Here is the “hetter” from Bais Yossef, it is indeed “proof”, but read it carefully to see if it is a “hetter” or an “issur”!
Bais Yossef staes:
אבל הספרדים אין נוהגים לחזור ש”ץ התפלה במנחה אלא מתפלל ש”ץ עם הציבור בקול רם ואומר קדושה וברכת אתה קדוש ואח”כ אומר האמצעיות בלחש עם הציבור ומתחיל רצה בקול רם וגומר תפלתו בקול רם ומנהג האשכנזים הוא הנכון וכן הנהיגו חכמים שבדור שלפנינו בצפ”ת תוב”ב
And indeed ends:
ומנהג האשכנזים הוא הנכון וכן הנהיגו חכמים שבדור שלפנינו
וגזרו לעובר על תקנתם yet the Litvish Yeshivos are עובר על תקנתם daily?!Joseph wrote : ” when there’s benefits to being recognized as Jewish rather than severe costs, self-identifying alone is wholly insufficient;.” Claiming that these days goyim benefit to be recognized as Jewish.
When did these days of Jewish benefits begin?
During World War II when 6 million were slaughtered?
The benefits we get today in Europe – all the love from the various nations?
The benefits of being a Jew in Muslim States in Middle East or Far East Asian countries?
Or in the Ukraine, Poland, Russia?
Or the benefits and warmth Jews get from, the Extreme Right Nationalistic Groups in America?
Or the Radical Left Groups, the BDS groups, the Libetrals, and the “loving” new Democratic Senators in USA?
These days, everyone wants to be a Jew?!
Do you live in a cave?!
Every goy in New Jersey wants to join BMG!? (To get the benefits of support by a rich shver!)
Every goy in New Square is trying to buy a shtreimel! (The fashion statement – dressing like a Polish nobleman of centuries ago – is so cool!)
How silly is it to think that goyim today want the “benefits” of being recognized as a Jew!
Benefits:
Kishke!
Kaporos (unless you are PETA)
Matzos at $20/lb!
Coffee Room!!
Yeshiva and School Tuitions!
Shidduch crisis!
Getting into seminary!Being Jewish is so great!!!!
Every goy wants to sign up!!!
Really?!
No Joseph, you have it wrong. Every goy wants the benefits of being Chabad!!!
Goyim know that Chabad is non-stop party. You get cake before da=vening, don’t need to shave (ever!) and believe that your leader is moshiach.
Now I get it. I wondered why this thread is directed at Chabad (and not the many kiruv orgs)??? Because only at Chabad do goyim want to sign up!!!
Someone wrote earlier that Chabad “accepts” even unconfirmed Jews because they need to keep having “customers: to do kiruv with.
Well, don’t worry, when they run out of non-religious Jews to be mikarev, and when they finish teaching all the goyim the Seven Noach Laws, they will start with the Litvaks to teach them about the issur of shaving and how to properly do Chazoras HaShatz at Mincha (without a hoicha kedusha).
Syag – let me explain a bit clearer.
For shaving a man must rely on kulos that are not universally accepted (and even rejected by Chofetz Chaim and many other poskim).
For an abridged hoicha kedusha by mincha (doing away with a complete chazoras haShatz), there “might” be obscure opinions that permit it, but it is certainly considered improper by poskim (including the Bais Yossef that mentions it and rejects it as improper).
But this is considered “the derech” and actually imposed on bochurim in many Litvish yeshivos, not as a b’di’eved, but as the “gold standard” of normative halacha.
Would anyone claim that these many Litvish yeshivos do not keep halacha? NEVER! It would be an absurd claim!!
Yet here we are pointing fingers at Chabad that don’t sleep in a sukah.
Indeed there are opinions that allow sleeping outside the sukah in places that get chilly at night (“mitzta’er”), but Chabad considers this their “derech” , not as a b’di’eved, but as the “gold standard” of normative halacha (just as it is imposed on our bochurim to shave – even against the majority of authorities that prohibit it).
We also point fingers at Chabad that eat coffee and cake before davening shachris.
Indeed there are heterim brough in halacha for someone that is weak or wouldn’t be able to daven properly without first having his coffee and cake…but Chabad considers this their “derech” , not as a b’di’eved, but as the “gold standard” of normative halacha (just as it is imposed in our many Litivsh yeshivos to have a short mincha with a hoicha kedusha even against the majority of authorities that prohibit it).
Here comes the double standard:
Would anyone claim that these many Litvish yeshivos do not keep halacha? NEVER! It would be an absurd claim!! But we openly claim that Chabad does not keep “proper” halacha! We make this absurd claim and do not see the absurdity and perfidy of our words.
Rso – “And rebbetzinwhat’shername, the issue isn’t so much not sleeping in the sukkah as in saying that it is the best way of acting when the Gemoro and ALL poskim (including the Baal Hatanya) say otherwise. The same with eating before Shachris where it is permitted for someone who is feeling weak, and not as a blanket minhag.”
The pot calling the kettle black. Let me paraphrase your words:
“the issue isn’t so much about SHAVING or Hoicha Kedusha at MINCHA as in saying that it is the best way of acting when the Gemoro and ALL poskim say otherwise. The same with eating Cholov Akum where it is permitted when needed, and not as a blanket minhag.”
A bit of a double standard, don’t you think?!
charliehall – you walked into a shul in another country and they made you shaliach tzibur. That’s nothing! They could have made you their rov, their shoichet, their mohel and their chevra kadisha! You got ripped off by only being appointed chazon.
Mrs J wrote:
“Furthermore, and this is a point contemporary Gedolei Poskim have made, traditionally throughout the vast majority of history few gentiles wanted to identify as Jewish. Jews were persecuted, prosecuted, expelled from countries, put in ghettos, pograms, Inquisition, Tach V’Tat, genocide, blood libels and holocausts. Thus if despite all that someone identified as Jewish, and he and his ancestors (per his testimony) practiced Torah Judaism, it was believable.Today, the Poskim said, when there’s benefits to being recognized as Jewish rather than severe costs, self-identifying alone is wholly insufficient; especially considering that we know that we’re now dealing with almost 200 years of false conversions and so-called paternal descent.”
Yes, the old days were bad for Jews – ghettos, pogroms, Inquisition, Crusades…not like the good times of World War II, the love we get in Europe, the warmth from Muslim States in Middle East and Far East, the Far Right Groups and Far Left Groups, the Democratic Senators…ah, these days, everyone wants to be a Jew!
Are you serious?! Do you live in a cave?!
Every goy in Lakewood wants to join BMG!? (To get support by a rich shver!)
Every goy in New Square is trying to buy a shtreimel! (The fashion statement – dressing like a Polish nobleman of centuries ago – is so cool!)
They want the “benefits” of being recognized as a Jew! Kishke! Kaporos (unless you are PETA) Matzos! Coffee Room!! Tuitions! Shidduch crisis! Getting into seminary! Being Jewish is so great!!!! Every goy wants to sign up!!!
Really?!
Goyim have pretended to be Jews – even in times of Bais Hamikdosh. Remember the goy that boasted that he went to Yerushalayim and ate from the Korbon Pessach. The Tanna told him, try to get the “good part” from the fatty tail – that you won’t succeed. He tried next year and they quickly realized he is a goy (because tail and hind parts are ossur). Yes, goyim have “infiltrated” even the Bais Hamikdosh, there were no guards to check the yichus. They joined families – potential intermarriage! Is it any different today?!
You gotta love that the shavers rely on Reb Moshe while they use the eruv in NYC and Flatbush and BoroPark. because when it comes to eruv, Reb Moshe is not the final say…collect kulos from every maykil…but point fingers a those that don’t sleep in a sukah (gasp!) or eat cake before davening (double gasp!).
Sure there is a “hetter” and of course there are “kulos” that a person can rely on. Just as there are hetterim for not sleeping in a sukah or eating cake before davening – but to adopt the shaving as a derech…just like the adopting of a “heicha kedusha” as a seder l’chatchila…I am not saying that shaving is “against” halacha but neither is not sleeping in a sukah or eating cake before davening….yet when we point at others, there are four fingers pointing to ourselves.
At night, when there is a full moon, many report that there is an increase of human insanity. Outdoors, in the dark of the night, the orb of the moon is full and bright. Dogs howl at it, disturbed by it’s illumination. We are living in a dark world. The sun of the illumination of past Gedolim has set. There is little light, but for the full moon of those who are mekarev Yidden back to yiddishkeit as we await the dawning of the sunrise of Moshiach and the Geulah. Yet, some are disturbed by the moon, and the light it shines on the dark world. They complain, criticize and seek to blot out the moon, but alas, it is beyond their reach. They raise their voices with all their might while hospitals report an increase of insanity on those nights with a full moon. As we await dawn.
Mrs Joe, Have you heard of Eldad HaDoni, that came in times of Geonim with a wild (unbelievable) story that he is a Jew from the lost Shevet Dan on the other side of the Sambatyon River in mid-Africa (the river throws rocks all week long and only rests on shabbos – so no one can cross it). The Geonim paskened that if someone comes forward and identifies himself as a Jew and seems to have some mesorah of Judaism (Eldod had customs that were similar to Judaism), he is accepted as a Yid! When you come to a new city and enter a shul, do they include you as part of the minyan? Why? Why do they believe that YOU are a Jew (anyone can buy a $5 yarmalka), and then they even give you an Aliyah (gasp!0 – to a possible goy! And if you claim you are a Kohen, they will give you Kohen! WHY? Why do they not presume you are from the majority (rov), from the 70 nations?! And they will veven use you as Aidus for kiddushim! OMG! What’s happening? Because that is the halacha.
Mod 29,
Your assumptions regarding why your posts were deleted are incorrect, your language is extreme, claiming your “truths” are being silenced….is truth in the eye of the poster?
Opposing hatred with hatred brings question to your motives. All posts resembling yours, regardless who they supported, were deleted as well. You just wouldn’t have known about them.
Chofetz Chaim writes explicitly in Tiferes Adam that the custom is not to allow any type of utensil to cut to shorten the beard and that since that was the accepted minhag yisroel it has the force of a prohibition.
But the Chofetz Chaim is only followed when it fits with our lifestyle! Let’s find fault in others. It makes us feel better than examining ourselves.
(Mainly yeshiva bochurim don’t grow beards. Married sometimes/often do. Bochurim are pottur from all mitzvos till they get marries and start growing beards if they consider themselves gedolim).
And the abridged mincha that the Bais Yossef says is improper (even for sefardim) – who cares!
But let’s point fingers at “those” guys!
Those guys don’t sleep in a sukkah and eat cake before davening!
Aish Hatorah? Or Sameach? Gateways? Project Inspire? Most non religious Jews are not halachikly Jewish.
Why point a finger at Chabad, as if they are the only ones that do kiruv, when the exact question can be directed at ALL the MANY wonderful kiruv organizations both in USA and Internationally!
If “Most non religious Jews are not halachikly Jewish” then we ALL have a problem with ALL kiruv organizations!!!
In fact, let’s go a step further:
Who checks the yichus of each bochur in Lakewood and Ponevitch to make sure his grandparents are true Yidden?! Do the Rosh Yeshivas go back a few generations on the maternal side to make sure this talmid is a Yid? Who does this?!
What about mamzerim? If the grandparents remarried without a proper get, if there was an agunah that remarried (very common in pre-war days) without a hetter that we all accept, do you realize the michshol in shidduchim??
There might be 20-60% goyim or mamzerim learning in Bnei Brak! GEVALD!
Chofetz Chaim writes explicitly in Tiferes Adam that the custom is not to allow any type of utensil to cut to shorten the beard and that since that was the accepted minhag yisroel it has the force of a prohibition.
But the Chofetz Chaim is only followed when it fits with our lifestyle! Let’s find fault in others. It makes us feel better than examining ourselves.
Those guys don’t sleep in Amish and eat cake before davening!
My mesorah is when the name Haman is said – to bang with my hand on the table. Yes, I am a Hand Banger.
Lately I am thinking of joining the Foot Stompers. They are so cool and I think it would be nice to be one of them.
I know it means breaking from my mesorah and there are halachic issues with Foot Stompers (being mevazeh the mitzvah by using your feet!).
Many Gedolim even consider Foot Stompers as Ovdei Avoda Zara because Aravim bowed to the dust on their feet!
Besides, the Foot Stompers also do a Hoicha Kedusha at mincha, but the Hand Bangers don’t sleep in the Sukkah! I am unsure about Gebrokts or kitniyos or views on Moshiach.
– so is there a problem leaving my mesorah to join the Foot Stompers?
“b’shem R’ Yaakov – that since the takanah of chazaras hasha”s for Mincha was only for people who couldn’t daven on their own (as opposed to Shacharis when there’s also Birchas Kohanim), batei medrash, in which generally only people who know how to daven on their own daven, were excluded.”
You are repeating lies made up, because Reb Yaakov would never argue and go against Shulchan Aruch which REQUIRES chazoras HaShatz at mincha (not just for amei ha’aretz that can’t daven), I am moche for the kovod of Reb Yaakov that those words were mevazeh.
Bais Yossef staes:
אבל הספרדים אין נוהגים לחזור ש”ץ התפלה במנחה אלא מתפלל ש”ץ עם הציבור בקול רם ואומר קדושה וברכת אתה קדוש ואח”כ אומר האמצעיות בלחש עם הציבור ומתחיל רצה בקול רם וגומר תפלתו בקול רם ומנהג האשכנזים הוא הנכון וכן הנהיגו חכמים שבדור שלפנינו בצפ”ת תוב”ב
And indeed ends:
ומנהג האשכנזים הוא הנכון וכן הנהיגו חכמים שבדור שלפנינו
וגזרו לעובר על תקנתם yet the Litvish Yeshivos are עובר על תקנתם daily?!So now shulchan aruch only applies to the nebech non-talmidei chachomim, but “super-Jews” that learn in yeshiva are “exempt” from normative halacha?!