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It is Time – “propaganda”? I think kupas ha-Ir and related tzedaks with badly photoshopped pictures are way ahead. ..dial here for a brocha…press 1 for parnasa, press 2 for shidduch, press 3 for health, press 4 for children, press 6 for…
שקר החן והבל היופי אשה יראת ה’ היא תתהלל means that a person that ONLY has chein or yofi – that is sheker and hevel, but
אשה יראת ה if she has yiras Hashem, THEN her chein and yofi are meaningful (as Chazal praise the beauty of several noshim tzidkoniyos – because THEIR chein and yofi IS praiseworthy).Great board games never die, they live forever. Never say Candyland A”H, it’s Candyland SHLITA.
lowerourtuition, according to you:
“bentching lulov” should be performing mitzva of netilas lulov…
“washing for bread” should be netilas yadayim for bread…
“putting on tefillin” should be keshiras tefillin…
“eating in sukkah” should be yeshiva b’sukkah…
there is loshon bnei adam and loshon ha’Torah.
the two are not always the same (as pointed out by chazal at various places).lacisrmma “Folding the talis under reduces the slipping off the shoulder.”
My husband, a talmid of the Rosh Yeshiva, heard that Rav Hutner z”l adopted this minhag (of folding talis under shoulder) from the Lubavitcher Rebbe (who also folds that way talis on his shoulder) – whom the Rosh Yeshiva learned with b’chavrusa from when Rabbi Schnnerson arrived to America till he became Rebbe. It has to do with kabbalistic “hiding” the black stripes of talis (gevurah) and only exposing the white part of talis (chesed) on the shoulder of the mispallel by tucking them under.
As this shows, that even “mundane” hanhogas of gedolim have deeper reasons (of which few of us ever knew). It also shows the gadlus of the Rosh Yeshiva to be “open” to be mekabel hanhogos from others (even kabbalistic ones), his great respect for other gedolim (even those he sometimes criticized – he refused to permit his talmidim to attend farbrengens at Lubavitch).
lacisrmma – you are right, when I heard the story, I heard it from those who were his “buddies” that called him knowingly”Freifeld”, and I mistakenly repeated it that way, which I shouldn’t have, I apologize for that, because to us he is Harav Freifeld z”l.
Tomim – an ikur of emunah is to be mechabed talmidei chachomim. You are not absolved of this chiyuv just because a talmid chochom disagrees with your Rebbe. In klal yisroel there was always machlokes, but there was an ikur of emunah to respect talmidei chachomim.
Non Political – not a blanket but a pillow to rest on. Seriously, can you provide the exact guidelines of when halacha says “minhag oker halacha”? One thing is clear, a minhag (even of noshim tzidkoniyos) that has been kept by a segment of frum yidden for centuries, is called “kodesh” and c”v for someone to come along and mock it. Chazal have used the criteria of “go and see what Yidden have been doing” to decide halacha. Thi criteria has extended into Shulchan Aruch and Nosei Keilim to include even a minhag noshim (who might not be as learned as men). Which kool aid do you use? Make sure it is kosher.
Out of Towner – “It is also always that the other gadol visited Crown Heights. How come you never see the rebbe saying anything nice about any of Klal Yisroel’s recognized gedolim? And how come he never visited any of them? If it is true that “we see the tremendous respect each of these Gedolim had for each other,” why do we never see the reciprocity?”
Yes, you awaken memories. When Reb Moshe let know he will visit the Lubavitcher Rebbe, one mechutzif actually asked Reb Moshe why should he be going to the Rebbe, let the Rebbe come visit him! Reb Moshe turned in surprise and answered, I am going because I want to go.
Imagine for a minute that gedolim drop by your house. Imagine Reb Chaim shlita knocks on your door tonight to visit you. After he leaves, your neighbor Mrs Yenta comes with taynas to you: How come the gadol came you visit you while you never visited him?!
Is it your “fault” if the gadol decided to visit you?!
The Lubavitcher Rebbe never visited anyone (except a rare shiva call to Satmar and Bobov Rebbes), yet dozens upon dozens of Gedolim of all types visited him.
Avram – you called a spade a spade. Tomim – shame on you. You disrespect your chassidus.
K-cup,
Correction/clarification: My husband just told me that from when the Lubavitcher Rebbe arrived in America in 1941 until he took the leadership and became the Lubavitcher Rebbe in 1950, he and Rabbi Hutner maintained a weekly chavrusa (joint study).
The Rosh Yeshiva maintained an on-going correspondence with the Rebbe. Some of the response letters of the Rebbe are printed in Igros Kodesh Volumes 7- pp. 2, 49, 192, 215, 12- pp. 28, 193, 14- pp. 167, 266, 18- pp. 251, 25- pp. 18–20, and 26- p. 485.
The Rosh Yeshiva (in these letters) is seeking the Rebbe’s views on a specific questions in halacha, queries about kabbalistic topics, and also asking for his brocha.
The letters sent by the Rosh Yeshiva are also printed in Mibeis Hagenozim, S.B. Levine, Kehot 2009, pp. 88–98.
When we see the tremendous respect each of these Gedolim had for each other (even though they did NOT agree with each other and criticized each other’s ways), it magnifies my pain when the students of each these giants demonstrate a lack respect for the other Gadol.
K-cup – “where did you hear Rav Hutner and the rebbe were chavrusas?”
My husband was a talmid of Rav Hutner and every so often the Rosh Yeshiva would mention fondly of learning with the Lubavitcher Rebbe (however, that might have been when they were both in Sorbonne days in Paris during WW2).
If you want more on the subject, there is a new book (I did not see it and cannot vouch for it): Rabbi Hutner and Rebbe, (JEP, March 2019), by Rabbi Chaim Dalfin of Boro Park. I hope it is respectful and accurate.
Reviews state that the book is dedicated to the relationship and correspondence between Rabbi Hutner and the Lubavitcher Rebbe, which began in the University of Berlin and carried on until Rabbi Hutner’s passing prior to Pesach in 1980.
Rav Hutner had a talmid by the name of Freifeld. Rav Hutner said to Freifeld on the day he was niftar that he wants to tell him something but he shouldn’t be upset. “There’s one Tzadik in the world and he lives on Eastern Parkway”.
The great ones respected each other greatly.
Its Time for the unTruth – “many of them while righteous were not Scholars of the first rank” Did you farher them on their scholarship? Do you have ANY source for such foolishness? Just to hack about other yidden! Imagine if someone wrote that the great geonim of Lita “while outstanding scholars, they were not very religious”, would that not be utter silliness! Now look at what you wrote, I mirrored it back to you. Is it silliness or foolishness?
Its Time – “many of them while righteous
were not Scholars of the first rank”Where do you get this fiction from?!
Tomim – “is because we have zero respect for them, because they do not deserve any honor, because they went against the Nesi Yisroel”,
Look, I respect you guys, I admire and even love you folks, but you are crossing the line here!
Don’t you dare speak against the Sar HaTorah!
If he did not see eye to eye with your Rebbe, so what?
The Talmud is filled with heated machlokes of the greatest ta’anoim (even placing some in cherem due to machlokes) but does that demean their gadlus in Torah?!
Did the talmidim of one Ta’na insult the other ta’na?!
I will stand up fiercely against anyone that dares say a negative word against your Rebbe who was a Gadol and Tzaddik (as everyone honest knows), but I will equally howl at you for being disrespectful to my Gedolie Yisroel!
The Satmar Rebbe Reb Yoilish zt”l also disagreed with your Rebbe (especially about putting on tefillin on non-religious men), but they had mutual respect, even if they disagreed and did not see eye to eye.
Rav Hutner disagreed with your Rebbe about many issues, but they were chavrusos for many years, learning once a week (I think on Friday night when Rav Hutner lived in Brownsville – he would make the long walk).
Respect does not mean agreeing. You can disagree with others but still respect them.
I denigrate those that howl like dogs at Lubavitch. Don’t be like them by howling disrespectfully at my Gedolim!
Neville, are you trying to understand minhagim?! Minhagim rarely make any sense (especially chassidish ones, and extra specially Lubavitch ones)! It’s hard enoughto try to understand our Litvish minhagim! Chaim Berlin has it’s own minhagim – like what’s the deal with folding talis on the shoulder under, when everyone folds it over?! (I was told Rav Hutner z”l started that – I am sure for good reason, but don’t try to understand and explain it). We do a heicha kedusha for Mincha, ignoring normative Shulchan Aruch, because that is the minhag in most Litvish Yeshivos – don’t try to explain, it’s ok. A minhag can trump halacha! (That is actually the halacha!) No one has a right to howl at other yidden that have their minhagim – that is their minhag, ity’s NOT for me or you, but for them it is ok. Don’t you get that?!
Also depends on general chassidic acceptance.
We all heard of Reb Zusha, Reb Elimelech etc. just “Reb” no great titles to these tzaddikim!